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Do you really think four months are a good enough window? That's 8 patches, not including the PTB. DbD's had 18 so far this year, not including PTBs.
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Yeah I dont dislike orion he isnt bad he can dash some really good points. That vet card is weird to say the least atleast for me. It doesnt make you any better or special than me.
Like you said just because you bought the game earlier does not mean your opinion is fact. It also doesnt mean you have to treat us as lesser.
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I'm not sure, I will let you decide when it comes to that orion, I have to do more research to see how far back we have to go 😅
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When it comes to knowing about events from 30 years ago, would you trust a random person who's 15 years old, or a random person who's 40 years old?
Being vets makes us more likely to know the game's history, whether you like it or not. And that's what's being discussed here, the game's history. Not opinions on whether some changes were good or attempted rationalizations for why blatant displays of bias were actually because of something else.
Just for the record, nobody's treating you as lesser. We're saying we know DbD's history because we lived it. You, on the other hand, are saying our experience of DbD's history is irrelevant and that we should "learn" about it from you.
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4,200 hours later and I don’t agree that devs play the favoritism card. I believe this community has become so divided because of the constant us vs them mentality they try to perpetuate on the daily.
Ps. I can’t believe this is your first post btw.
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I picked it up 3 years ago not recently. You are very keen on having a moral high ground. Actually you have a superiority complex. You played in a video game in 2016 nothing more nothing less. New killer and survivor mains can be annoying but you cant blame them they joined dbd in an awkward time.
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You being newer shouldn't mean that Orion's experience should be thrown out either, just because you joined later. 4 years experience that they're giving as input into the topic and you want to disregard it.
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Maybe the devs forgot and/or didn´t notice. You know, like when they thought that Lightborn actually did something against Flashlights.
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I'll take the moral high ground, because I'm getting the impression that you're saying my opinion doesn't matter because I'm using the whole of my DBD experience and not just what's current.
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None of this is relevant to what to what I said. All km saying is that the 5 second stun ds has is justified and you calling it favoritism isnt correct. Yes you lived through dbd history but I dont really care honestly.
This isnt a discussion about history and the history you mention date backa1 year which alot of people hav elived through sok what does the vet card have to do there?
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Sounds good. Doesn´t work.
Survivors that play like this usually are SWF and have the Adrenaline backup. So there isn´t much of a surprise here.
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Yes I agree these are objective statements a I said was that the 5 seconds was left there to give survivors more time to escape when the animation ate up alot of it.
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Well, like I said, this Enduring change, which is from early 2019, was the most blatant display of favoritism I've seen in recent DbD history. I don't think "early 2019" was that long ago.
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You might be really new to the game to say this. So for your information, here are the big changes that happened in the game :
- devs made a change to the number of pallets, there are less pallets now
- devs changed the way the pallets work, no "void" anymore
- hits are still killer sided
- "infinites" have been removed
- all survivor's items have been nerfed : falshlight ,heal kit and tool box
- flashlight saves nerfed with the speed of the killer's "taking up" the downed survivor
- DS nerfed, DH never work, unhook invincibility never works
- Maps got nerfed and became smaller
- New map variations are killer sided
- New maps are often killer sided
- unsafe loops have been implemented
- one shot addons still existing
Well i could continue but the list is way too long...
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What you said isn't relevant to what the argument actually is.
This is indeed a discussion about history, since it's about the devs showing favoritism toward one side or the other. How are you going to establish favoritism (or lack thereof) when it comes to how things are changed if you're unwilling to look at how things have been changed over the years?
The devs' justifications for the changes are there for all to see. Saying that a 5-second stun is fine in your opinion does not change the fact that they thought it was fine at 3 seconds, but buffed it to 5 because of Enduring and then never nerfed it back to 3 seconds even after the reason for keeping it at 5 seconds was gone.
This was favoritism, and your opinion that a 5-second stun is fine doesn't mean anything because this is not about your opinion of the devs' changes, this is about the devs' opinion of their own changes.
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Well... Adrenaline only comes to play when there is only 1 gen left. Not to mention the survivors have to have it in the first place.
And the fact that someone plays in a SWF doesn't change the fact that an injured survivor working on a gen will be vulnerable. Maybe if there are two survivors, then one can try to bodyblock, but then again solo players in red ranks probably would do the same
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I'm not disregarding Orion's experience. All I did was simply state why I think him claiming the devs showed favoritism was wrong.
Never said your opinion didnt matter. But you are acting superior because of your veteran status. I'm guessing you own a legacy correct?
I bet that really gets you going huh? All I said to you was that I dont care if you are a vet or not you arent more right than anyone. Tru3tal3nt for example I seen him get ran for like 2 minutes on and unsafe pallet. Then he has the audacity to act like its swf or be constantly goes against top teams.
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Come on you know what I mean lol
That's like me saying "Why would they nerf DS? It's already been nerfed before". I can also apply that to any exhaustion perk (exhaustion nerf) and to BT (BT nerf).
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I'm acting superior because I think you wanting to toss out all 4 years of DBD development in a thread about the devs showing a survivor bias is an inferior stance to take. And hilarious! 🙃
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The idea the devs favorite one side over the other really just depends on buffs and nerfs that the community regularly catalogs as "proof".
I don't think I've ever heard them outright admit that they prefer one role over the other, despite being the devs of the game itself. Anything that proves otherwise is just patch notes for certain things that get buffed and nerfed, but nobody really knows how they feel about either role. I personally don't believe they have favoritism over one role than the other, but people can feel free to speculate... I guess.
If they ever did mention this, I've never heard it or it wasn't from recent years... unless I missed it.
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Just for the record, I don't think they intentionally favor either side, but it's hard to look at their history and not see some favoritism toward survivors.
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Well, the way I look at it is that they've never directly stated that they prefer one side over the other, regardless of the changes they implemented or the views they've shared about said changes over the years. It's unknown if they really do prefer a specific side, but I can see what you mean when some people bring up these examples when the topic is discussed.
It does make you wonder what's going on behind the scenes when some of these changes are implemented, but again, we'll probably never know for sure.
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The devs thoughts and opinions change Orion. They added busted things to the survivor side thinking it was fine only to remove it later because it wasnt. I'm simply using logic to back up my claim. If the devs didnt want the 5 second stun to stay they would change it plain and simple. I'm keeping this short because I'm busy and also there is no need. Just use your head.
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Do you remember MoM? Everybody told them how broken it was, they still added it, please do not tell me cause they thought it was fine. Because there is no way that anybody thought that this perk was fine when it was released from a game balance perspective.
It was changed later, after enough people bought the dlc. That ignored the game balance for weeks.
Orion just simply explained reasoning for changes, never did he talk down on you @azame and he sure has not a superiority complex. Have you studied psychology to even make such a statement? Because you missed the point completely, he and the others never said vets opinion is worth more than from new people, just that he can actually give abit more inside to changes of the game which you missed out on since you were not around. The devs talked a whole lot, answered lots of questions, he just repeats what was said and that has nothing to do with opinion.
This is also how so much unvoluntary comedy came to be, stuff like this for example https://youtu.be/qnwdPlx9yR4
So honestly, say thanks instead of feeling insulted because there were none made to you.
@Orion I assumed at some point you would bash your head into your keyboard, props to you that you didn't.
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It was buffed, it used to have a limit where the matchmaking would match you with the highest rank in the group, which they removed
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You’re so wrong though 😂 killers have it so good in this game it’s ridiculous. Especially if you’re going up against all solo survivors the odds of them winning are like less than 1%. Killers are so OP 🤦🏽 I play killer survivors get smacked every game. It’s too easy to find them, too easy to down them, too easy to kill them. You’re gifted Mori’s, powerful add ons and abilities and insane speed defending 1-2 ways for them to escape. 2 if they have a key so they have to get lucky out of a chest or bring one and they might not even get to use it. and you’re going to tell me killers do not have enough? Jason in Friday 13 has to defend like 5 different ways - two cars, a boat, cops and waiting out the timer in order for 8 counselors, including Jarvis to escape. Oh, and they can kill Jason too. Boo boo you can’t kill anyone as a killer in this game all I can say is get better. It’s practically handed to you on a silver platter.
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Right, because this year alone we totally didn't have any survivor nerfs because people who play killer, myself included, had been saying certain things were too strong/maps were too badly balanced. Nope, didn't happen and hasn't happened almost every patch this year, at all. /s
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I also think like thread starter... My Myers ( main Myers) now become a joke killer after hex ruin reworked....
Gen rush everywhere, every time , and every match....
I miss long match with old ruin as first objective....
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Not to mention the recent nerf to Pop goes the weasel, and thanatophobia, but they didn't nerf ds or change any meta survivor perks.
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