Remove DC Penalty
first of all, the DC penalty should not even be in the game if you can’t fix the crashes that force people to quit. There have been a lot of games recently where, upon spawning in as a survivor the game freezes and the audio gets thrown into a loop. Moments later you return to the Xbox dashboard. Once you get back to the character selection screen the ban notice is there because you supposedly left the game. You ABSOLUTELY cannot have a DC penalty in effect until this is fixed. I would have thought that is common sense. What the heck is going on with this game? Where are the devs heads at? Fix the game first don’t worry about a damn DC penalty when your game isn’t even running properly.
*side note: there are also Moments where after using a vault as a survivor your screen will freeze momentarily allowing the killer to simply walk around and get a free hit on you. how is this not making people upset enough to leave the game? And then you get to deal with tunneling and camping after that. That’s so frustrating you have so little to defend yourself with in this game. Generator and hook simulator is what I think about this game. It’s atrocious how bad my experience is playing survivor game after game. Killer is so much more fun. Just my opinion. But fix that vault glitch seriously!
second of all, the DC penalty should not even be in the game unless you can establish a system that works. By this I mean players should be able to reconnect to the game to avoid the penalty which is very similar to how other games are that incorporate a DC penalty which is typically useful for ranked play. However, a smaller penalty will be administered once rejoining that will allow you to play once certain conditions are met or depending on what you were doing when you left the game.
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Complete disagreement. Noticed already way less DCs within these 2 days
Crashes occur way too less and would not lead even to a 15 min block most of the cases and even if it does, it counts for maybe 1% of all players while saving 99% of the players from lame donkey play.
If a single hit by a bug causes you to DC, or for camping and tunneling, then you are exactly the type of person that the DC penalty was made for.
And if you're so smart to throw in rejoin mechanics, maybe think a bit further and provide mechanics to avoid abusing, like DC short before hook and then rejoin.
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Crashes are too infrequent to justify completely removing the DC penalty; more damage would be done through rage-quitters, than would be done to those who crash out.
As far as a rejoin option, I like the idea, but I doubt that'd work. Not only would they have to come up with an in-progress spawn system, so you dont just pop into the game right next to the Killer or something, but I can see it being abused like crazy. About to go down or get hooked? Close the game and rejoin, you're good as new. I guess you could give someone 1 hook each time they leave and rejoin, to fix that, though.
I have a feeling that from a business/developing standpoint, settling with crashers getting a small penalty and just trying to fix the reasons for crashes would be the better option, though. Like I said, its infrequent enough now, that I'd hardly consider it a problem. Ive crashed maybe 3-5 times max, in the past 5-6 months. I can handle a few minute penalty for that, if it means my games won't get ruined by rage-quitters.
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thats something you'd want to report to in the Bug Reports section, no?
and if the community hadnt abused the DC option as much as they did, we wouldnt have this system now.
sadly there are those who DCed for literally anything (and they were not exactly a small number) - they dislike the map, killer, Add Ons, Offerings, someone went down too fast, they went down, the first gen didnt pop fast enough, they want their mate to get hatch, etc.
its this communities own fault this is a thing. and i wouldnt want it to get lifted again if im being honest, as those players would simply return to their old patterns of DCing whenever something doesnt go their way.
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I've already reported the game crashing on my Xbox. Go through bHVR support and have them monitor the situation as well. The more players they see this happen to, the easier it'll be to fix.
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I played Spirit earlier and one baby survivor killed themself on 1st hook shortly into the game.
I can’t help but feel like even with the penalties on these kinds of people get what they want anyway - an early end to the game, but it’s everyone else that has to suffer. I try to play nice but I know most survivors would rather opt out when one has rage quit within the first 90 seconds of the game.
So who really suffered the most with these dc penalties? The Survivor that had to wait an extra 10-15 seconds to be picked up, hooked, and then forced sacrificed? Or the team left behind who were down to 3 vs 1 at 5 gens?
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This game rarely crashes. If crashing was a common problem, then the DC penalty shouldn't exsist. Quiters are the bane of games like this, and things need to be put in place to help limit. Sadly, many of these quiters will still auto kill themselves on the first hook, but at least they have to be caught and hooked
before the penalty, I'd see too many people DC even if the killer was near them in the first 2 minutes. why they play a game like this I will never understand.
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Well, you have a point. I had zero DC's when the penalty was off. There's something wrong with certain playstyles but certain people won't call it unfair because they use and abuse it, since "I am not breaking the rules".
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DC penalties should remain. They are pretty generous in terms of the penalties. You really have to abuse the system to get a substantial punishment. Bugs that force players to disconnect are pretty rare. Like even the bugs that lock you in a certain position don't require DC. Eventually the end game collapse will fix your problem =p If the killer is locked eventually the survivors will escape and the game will end. The only time it is truly an issue that would require someone disconnecting is if 2 survivors are locked in game geometry and the killer can't kill or pick up either player.
Slightly off topic but one thing they could do that might make DC penalties unnecessary is if they introduce bots that take over for players that disconnect. As long as they aren't brain dead bots that don't actually do anything. If they work gens, unhook players and run away from the killer without wasting too many pallets is all I ask. I don't really care how bad the killer bot might be. As long as the survivors can finish their match.
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so it can't be your computer.... it can only be behavior. well I haven't had a crash in months, and it was months before that when the crash prior and of those two, guess what! it was my computer causing the issue. I fixed it and no crashes... I've had no audio issues, I've had no graphics issues so how can it be behavior when i'm not having the issue? if your system is low specs sure it might not always run well but that's not their fault. anyways the DC penalties should stay because there were so many before. sorry as you can see almost all have disagreed with you already.
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This post really puts it into perspective, it deserves to to have far more up votes.
People running around stating 'd/c numbers are down' CLEARLY can't see the forest for the trees.
Because;
1) People will still find a way to manage their games, as already stated because:
2) The devs have failed to address the underlying issue
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Most survivors you play DC just cuz you pick them to hook them
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DC Penalty should always be on. It's not harsh for the first one but console optimization isn't good so you've gotta deal with it till they fix it or till you get the new Xbox and assuming the optimization is better there.
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DC penalty just means both sides playing scummy in attempt to make the other's life hell all the while they revel in the fact they can't opt to leave the game.
It doesn't fix the issues that cause DCing and in fact exacerbates a lot of it; we all know it, but it doesn't matter because a certain loud minority overshadow the rest of us.
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As killer, I've DC a few times due to household emergencies suddenly arising (my brother falling into glass, my puppy chewing on electrical coards, etc.)
It would be nice if there was some kind of option to say there was some sort of emergency or there were some odd things going on with the game. Although I don't see too many people DC due to bugs. Of course, there would have to be a limit to that. Weird idea though.
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No, people don't need a free amount of "I don't like [Literally any and all inappropriate reasons to Disconnect] so I'll just disconnect for free".
The penalties already do this by giving you a slap on the wrist for the first few penalties before it actually starts being serious about making you stop playing and wait.
Emergency? Well a 5-15 minute lock means nothing because you should probably focus on the actual emergency and making sure everything is okay before returning.
Outage? The power is off so you can't play anyways.
Bug/Glitch/Crash? Taking the proper time to figure out what went wrong or what the issue is then reporting it properly before attempting to play again would probably take a fair amount of time.
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So many BS posts. I've never had a crash since I installed this game. The only bugs I've experienced were a few sound related ones right after a big update (and those got fixed). The biggest problem I have experienced playing DbD has been people who disconnect and the odd hacker. Since the DC penalties came back up the number of people disconnecting in my games (and wasting my time) has dropped significantly. Each day it drops more. So no, I think the penalties should stay. I think they should be more punishing.
*Let me repeat, if you can't be bothered to finish a match, don't start one in the first place. If you don't like this game enough to play it as intended, there are other games. Hit the road jack... don't you come back no more... no more... no more... no more.
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If you're getting slapped by long ban times following a "crash", I'm willing to bet that you're DCing at a regular rate and deserve the long timer.
I play on Xbox. Out of the thousands of matched I have played, I have crashed one time and that one time was because my internet went out. You will see significant drops in your "crashing" rate if you do hard sets on your Xbox every day (like you're supposed too).
This game absolutely needs a DC penalty. Both sides are known to be huge diaper babies and quit the moment something goes wrong (downed quickly/ first, too many gens pop to fast, key/ mori brought, etc etc). Just be a decent sport and play the damn round. People act like their lives actually hang on their ability to double pip in this game or something.
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Leave the DC penalty in. I have experienced less dc's over the last couple of days since it came back.
If your game crashes or your internet cuts out or what ever then its only like a 4 minute time out. If you are getting longer time outs then you are dc'ing regularly. That's on you.
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Odd how all he disconnects I see happen to be right after I down a survivor or grab them from a locker. It must be crashing their game. 🤷♂️ ... (not)
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I did get most POG game crash ever when I took the hit from freddy. He smashed my entire game with a single swing. So while Freddy OP I also perfectly accept that game crashed once or twice in the last 100 hours I played in it.
Survivors that still DC after certain action occurs like they get downed or hooked or they miss their DS should get flagged.
If it happens consistently they should get bans in days instead of minutes and penatly reset should never occur for them. Sure, your game can crash sometimes during random actions, but you can't tell me people game crashes every other game.
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I have to agree with OP, the DC system is too sensitive rn. I'm on PC and a killer disconnected yesterday (probably pulled a cord) and I got slapped with a DC penalty. I seem to recall that you could DC without a penalty 1 time but as soon as you start abusing it, it gives a penalty.
As for respawning... No... Instead, upon a DC, AFK teammate, or other seriously underperforming teammate situation, the entity (who likes a fair game) would level the playing field and either increase gen repair speed, or require less gens to be done. Nothing absurd ofc, just a small give, for a chance of escape to the remaining survivors.
Also has anyone noticed lag switching is back?
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Play on pc? I have never had my game crash
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theres this crazy new thing the kids are doing these days and it allows you to bypass the dc penalty, its called suiciding on hook
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There is only less DCs because people are forced to play against the most boring things possible.
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I agree 100%
I agree 100% I feel we shouldn’t be forced to play in boring matches. Yes I do understand that sometimes DC’s will ruin games but like you gotta understand the POV of both sides if your just on 1 side all the time you most likely don’t know what your talking about, instead of trashing one side you should try to understand both sides.
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If you are complaining about "boring" matches. Then why are you playing the game at all?
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Yep. This.
If the DC penalty is a huge problem for you, it's because you ragequit or troll too much.
Full stop.
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This too. I can only imagine everyone whining about this change is just mad that they gave to wait to die on hook do they can ragequit and that extra 20 seconds is just ruining their day.
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like ok dc are going way down but suicide on first hook are going up yea that better.
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You aren't forced to do anything. If you cannot abide by the rules and play at the game is intended, you can hit the road at any time. But disconnecting is against the rules. These are rules you agreed to by the way.
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exactly. do it or f***ing play civ or something else, and dont go ruin others people's games just for personal inconvenience issues,,,
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No, we're not turning it off again.
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Games are much more enjoyable now because people actually play them out for the most part. Sure, you get the occasional suicide on hook, but even that is better for all involved. Killer still gets the hook, survivors still get the time the killer wastes picking up and hooking the person (rather than them just faceplanting and the killer immediately being free to get the next person) as well as the chance to unhook them before they can fail their 3 kobes, on top of the chance of actually kobe-ing in which case I'd bet like 95% of players would take it as some sort of "sign" to keep trying to win, although that's getting a little esoteric.
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the penalties returned because people always did dc when they lost a game or did not like it (what princesses), that's why that return, stop crying and if you do not like it, do not continue playing DBD and done, what a coincidence that when it returns penalties people have "connection problems"
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Yeah ikr? And even more crazy then, that selfkills currently are more rare than DCs were before the penalty. Somehow seems that a penalty actually makes people recognize that they made a duck move. Pretty laughable when you fall for an easy mechanic like that right? Could be so ez to continue being selfish...
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Yeah the other people in the game I was just in got mad at me for running to the killer and dying on first hook immediately. :P
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if you have crashes and freezes then check your PC.. something is wrong on your side..
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I play on PC, so I've not had the glitch you've had. However, to say survivors have nothing is kinda eh, survivors have windows, pallets, various perks, etc. that give survivors not one, but many chances.
As for the DC penalty, I agree, until they can discount genuine DCs from "I'm mad because..." DCs, they shouldn't have it. Which they should be able to do most of the time, since you have to hit "Leave Match" to leave the match intentionally in most cases.
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If its happening to the point were you're crashing upon loading every game then there's something going on on your side. Dc penalties are needed in this game whether people like it or not. Survivors shouldn't have a free escape card and use it anytime they want just because "they are not having fun".
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Eventually someone will hack a streamer and DC penalties will once again come to a temporary halt. These things are inevitable.
Until then, try to remain calm, and game on
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DCs would be less of a problem if everyone knew the match they were going into.
DC penalties aren't actually needed for the game. If you're a survivor you're probably going to die anyway{that's why people voluntarily DC, game is lost, killer tunnels and/or you're just not into it}. If you're a killer being crazy looped because it's not easy enough. Just move on to the next game and maybe get a win. If you care about people DCing in your game when there's another you're going to have you don't have problems.
Or hey, play a balanced, skilled game. This isn't anything to be serious about.
If there are connectivity issues with your game/bhvr/system then, yeah, you shouldn't be penalized anyway. But regardless, DC penalties are about control.
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No way, penalty must stay. Too much weak players. Even when I wanna play stealth killer in indoor maps, some nerd usually always DC.
Or generally, match going wrong on survivor's part can make them do hook suicide or DC.
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yeah let me first respond to your last paragraph. A system to allow you to reconnect is stupid in a game like dbd as it can be exploited and in games with that system you usually can respond or there are multiple rounds in the game. that system just can't work in this game so the only way to punish leaving games is to time those players out of matches.
the dc system itself works, yes players can still suicide on hook or dc but players truly frustrated with the game that dc are more likely to dc in their next game so timing them out is a good way to prevent that and discourage dc'ing all together. Even if that player suicides its way more unlikely then them just straight up dc'ing so in all it lowers all forums of leaving the match combined so again it works.
edit: also all players that complain about dc'ing probably, no more than likely dc a lot themselves so yeah the system works against you WOW. there is no reason to hate it because its stopping players from dc'ing in your matches so unless you play on a platform that crashes a lot than you have no reason to complain. Before anyone responds to this i play on console and it barely crashes, in fact the last time the game crashed was over 2 months ago so unless you play on mobile or switch which i assume are the platforms that crash the most you can't use it as a point on why the system sucks.
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Id rather have the dc penalty with a few people get slapped with a 2 min ban than have thousands of people dc for no reason and get away with it.
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Til your one of those people getting punished for no reason while almost all the rest just suicide.
Oh, and by the way, it's not a 2 minute ban, it starts at 5 and escalates rapidly. And it takes about 24 hours to reset. So a single crash a day could lead to a day-long ban at the end of the week.
The penalties are stupid and don't actually work. If you split the difference between DC's and suicides, that number won't justify the number of people that get screwed over.
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Generally the only time I DC is when the killer slugs me when there are 2 survivors left so they can prevent a hatch escape. I consider it toxic, and don't mind the penalty to give them a chance out.
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looks like we got a rage quitter and one that possibly does swf often, crashes don't happen daily and for me its not even weekly and i play on console. sure back in the days crashing was common but thats not the case anymore so stop using it as an excuse.
if it is crashing and your on pc than get a better pc, the health of the game shouldn't be lowered because you don't play on a reliable source.
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Dont strawman.
I have fibre internet at 100mb/s. My connection is stable. I don't play SWF, and I don't DC. And I used to think DC penalties were great, til last time they were enabled and I discovered literally all of this. And it's probably going to happen again, because screw anyone that's not near a server.
So take your assumptions and eat them. You're doing nothing but causing problems with false information.
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so whats the problem? there is literally no reason to complain about then unless your on a bad system like mobile or are a liar and dc a lot.
crashes are rare nowadays so you don't have an argument here. sure someone can crash but if they don't dc the timer will be short, this is better for the general health of the game and that's not refutable since it reduces the frequency of players leaving the match in any forum.
also the only assumption i have is that you dc a lot, so unless you can prove otherwise and you can't i can have them. the fact that your not really saying why you don't like them kinda supports it.
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