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Censorship of anything monetary related?
Just curious? I've seen some topics get very out of hand and go pages and pages before mods stop. However, anything about monetization is stopped or deleted immediately.
Is there a rule I missed? Is there a reason I'm missing? It just seems like a topic that would not be censored in a general discussion forum.
I never even thought about it before all the deleted/stopped threads. But censorship seems to drive curiosity.
Anybody know what's going on?
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They dont like being called out for the truth
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Nobody is censoring anything, people are free to discussing but organising attacks on our outlets is something that is prohibited in our rules - hence the thread you are referring to, being closed.
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I mean it's all around speculation, I understand why those topics are getting deleted.
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Shouldn't it be discussable though? It seems destructive to just stop it.
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What do you guys see as attacks?
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Do they usually turn that way? If so it makes sense. I've just seen so much happen so fast I was genuinely curious.
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If people post that a skin is overpriced, and someone posts "Don't buy it if you think the skin is overpriced", is that a premeditated attack on the store?
That person is encouraging people to not spend money on the store.
The store is a platform.
Encouraging people not to use it can be considered to be an attack.
Therefore, that person violates the forum rules.
Is that correct?
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I have always read the forum rule as "Don't encourage people to mass disconnect on a certain day" or "Don't encourage people to spamflood the support" or anything along those lines. I would also like a clarification on this, as with how this rule has been recently applied I am under the impression that I do not understand the rule correctly.
Could the forum rule page be updated please to be a bit more specific?
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Protesting by not spending money shouldn't be censored. That's a right and a common and peaceful way to protest.
But things like protesting by tunneling a certain character to death is a negative protest and hurts some innocent players.
Everyone has a right to protest in not spending money...
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Just start putting all the issues on metacritic or steam etc so that more people will know how bad this game has become. Far more exposure there and the mods can’t delete those
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That's already been discussed, but every single time it's been discussed the mods have moved it to a supervoid (superthread in Feedback) and it's hidden from everyone.
I even argued against it and won, yet it's still going on because they have the final word.
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They still have the choice to move on and start the next gaming project. If a game isn´t viable for earing money anymore, developers move on.
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That's scary. The mods have to moderate while still keeping relevant things discussable. That's a responsibility they have to Behavior. If legitimate gripes are buried by moderators, then behavior can't fix them. So is the issue Behavior, or that the valid concerns never make it to Behavior to consider?
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No, I moved that post - so it marks it as an edit. GG was all the original poster wrote!
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Yeah this is just wrong. Nobody was organizing an attack on anyone, they were criticizing behvrs business practices. You can twist that as much as you want but those of us with an IQ above potato saw what you did.
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Yup. She did.
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Stop speaking the truth! it will get you banned
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Same thing that was done to the plethora of console optimization. Took all the discussions, (alike or not) put them into the mega thread then closed the mega thread. And now we have an unplayable ps4 update. It’s amazing how that works
this is how they operate.
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For the most part i believe it isup to the community managers and mods to pass on the feedback. When they look for feedback and have little time to do so maybe they only look in the feedback discussion itself.
Realistically if it's a post giving feedback about something then the section should it be posted in is the feedback one.
Its the same as bug reports being moved to the relevant section.
So moving the post doesn't necessarily remove the feedback from reaching the devs just the playerbase from seeing it who may only be spending time in general discussion.
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It's not "hidden" in Feedback at all - it's in the correct sub forum for what it is...which is feedback. So when people want to read feedback on things they go to exactly the correct sub forum.
FYI we've already taken the feedback internally (that is our jobs), so complaining at us for doing our jobs and not moving threads to where they need to go is hardly helpful to anyone and definitely a way to not get your feedback listened to is to be rude about it. Constructive feedback is usually read and listened to, rants, raves, insults - not.
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My question now is: are controversial but valid concerns stopped by mods before behavior developers or marketing gets to see the issue?
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Yes /s
On a serious note, it seems to be heading that way
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I think due to their action this section is now checked even more often than general discussions lol So don't worry too much.
You have big cohones, my man 😱
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"Then may I suggest telling the people up there not to make such a colossal mistake? This is on the devs for aggravating a big chunk of the community, and they're getting the backlash they well deserve. They're making you guys, the forum admins, deal with the backlash while they make the mistakes, so it's not your guys' fault, but letting the conversation be Laissez-faire will actually get a point across. Overall, Merging threads is a major error because the forums being flooded is completely justified backlash.
My point still stands.
(I don't know why the font is like that lmao)"
That's not constructive criticism of your practices? You obviously didn't even read it either, since it clearly states that it isn't your fault this is happening. However, if you care about the devs actually seeing the feedback instead of ignoring it (as well as the community), you wouldn't hide it like it is right now. There's already people who have no idea the superthread exists, so denying it's being hidden is futile and non-constructive. Heck, your moderator team is becoming the issue rather than just the white knights; you've been moving threads to a hidden superthread that aren't even giving any criticism (making the public opinion look even worse). There's a scientific effect based off of this, but I forgot what the name is.
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No she didn't lol. She just moved the post
Having legitimate complaints about this is one thing. Making up lies is another
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Imagine crying censorship after your thread gets closed when it starts threatening other people.
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That makes sense. But at what point does the discussion end to be filed as feedback? In general less people will give their opinions in the feedback section than the general discussion section.
If the topic stops being discussable or gets out of hand with insults/attacks then yes, it's not a conversation anymore. But the monetary threads seem so sensitive that they can't be discussed. Which isn't healthy for a community.
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No, controversial concerns/opinions won't be stopped by us as long as you're not rude and insulting. Follow the forum rules and all is good.
We're merging threads as it makes it easier for everyone to see the complaints as a collective - if threads were all individual, it'd make it harder to keep track of. Merging threads always has been done as it's easier to forward the feedback.
Even if it's all in one thread - it's still noticed and seen. It doesn't make the feedback less valueable. It's just as valueable as if it wasn't merged.
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Feedback such as the event imo needs to be in one thread as the amount of posts popping up would flood the boards as they did. Technically if its feedback it needs to be seen. Most do post in the general and they merge it into the feedback section post. Its not being deleted just moved.
When it comes to moderation it depends on the context of the thread itself. I have seen so many threads be fine even discussing monetary situation and be left up but then it turns into an argument or gets derailed and they can end up being closed.
Certain things should never be stated such as telling other to stop spending money or boycotting etc since its akin to a witch hunt on the company.
This is their forum and we are just users thry allow to post and discuss things so having people state something to try and harm their means of income, well I don't see any company really allowing that to be fair.
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Ok. I've just seen so many threads stopped quickly today especially. I was legitimately curious about why.
The conversation should always stay civil and non hostile. I agree whole heatedly.
People can disagree without reverting to insults.
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Can you, (mods), explain how exactly this information gets passed to the higher ups? We're aware that you have noticed the influx of threads, but how do we know that our posts are actually getting recognized by the dev team, if they are at all?
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The mods here don't understand what open discussion means. Slip in a suggestion and they race eachother to shoot your topic off to the Feedback area that no one looks at. Which is exactly why they want topics moved there at light speed. Look at all these mad topics about timed codes getting shot off to Feedback lol.
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I went looking for these "censored" threads... So calling for organized boycotts counted as an attack on outlets and got closed. Unless someone posted an actual attack and the comment was deleted. I still don't get the need to close the whole discussion at that point when you could just ban the offender.
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Look at what she said and then read my response again. Clearly whatever you are talking about is not what she and I were talking about since she flat out said in her post she closed it.
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I agree. But if there is a large portion of the community that refuses to spend money but is afraid to discuss why this could be detrimental to them financially too. I would think they'd rather hear why (preferably articulately) and fix it than just have people suffer in silence while sales slowly stop.
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Its honestly really sad to see all of this happening, I just wish this would stop, I hate this. I love this community because there is a lot of nice people who support one another sometimes. In fact this community helped me through the pandemic when I wasn't able to see anyone as much anymore. I just hope Bhvr fixes whatever they are doing
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Exactly, that's the important part.
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Because a couple of us are full time BHVR employees and this is part of our jobs.
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Which is fine and I have seen many posts of people stating why they won't spend money and that is good feedback and the posts have been and generally are left alone.
There is a difference between the above and asking other to join them in not spending a sort of "crusade" to try and force a change though.
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Because heaven forbid we try and force a change to the quality of product that gets released and breaks the game. Heaven forbid we try and force a console optimization after it was promised two years ago.
heaven forbid we start comparing bhvr to bathesda.
the status quo isn’t working. It’s why folks are forced to do these things.
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I see, thank you for the clarification.
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As I explained in my post, it DOES make the feedback less valuable because more of the community has no idea about the negative feedback in the first place (and are going to create MORE threads as a result). You might mean it in the sense of the devs looking at feedback, but it should be looked at as BOTH the devs looking at feedback and the community coming together to give valid criticism. The mod team's "superthread" has seriously disorganized most, if not all, constructive-criticism and has mixed it with positive feedback, the same thing that the team promotes on the forum.
I'd argue that having more than one thread IS more organized because the superthread is absolute trash at the moment. You have people supporting the event, you have people listing their issues with the event, and you have people actually commenting on what the thread was in the first place. It's been turned into a monster that no one is going to bother to comb through unless they're dedicated. Instead, make multiple merged threads relating to different issues, like, "Criticism of the event", "Suggestions for future events", "Why is there no event currency?", etc.
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I can understand them not wanting their own forum used as a place to gather a following to stop paying.
But if there are enough players in this mindset we do need to use this forum to tell them why we won't spend money. Otherwise, they can't fix the issues players have.
But no company is going to allow their forum to be used to boycott them.
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There is a QaA stream happening soon, hopefully we get some answers, and they have to be good, because at this point, this whole event is going to hell, and we need answers
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I was going to look at the original post but it's gone.
What i saw was a person asking if she edited a post to make it show GG. And you saying yes. While that's false. Closing a post and editing a post to read something else are two completly different things
If that wasen't the case and forum shenenigans happened I apologise. If not i stand with what i said
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Then say it like that and don't hide behind some vague excuse that makes it sound like ppl are actively threatening and physically planning to attack BHVR.
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I agree. There has to be a line. Well defined and communicated, so we know how to voice our issues without punishment or having those concerns deleted. That's why I started this topic. I noticed that when people mentioned monetary sides of the event, the reaction was very inconsistent to other topics.
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Peaceful protest. It's not a 'crusade'.
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