Yui is lesbian, right?
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I don't give it any importance, which is why I didn't raise a fuss when the Nurse's lore included mentions of her husband. In fact, nobody raised any issues over that mention of sexuality. I also didn't raise a fuss about LGBT representation, but the same can't be said for people who claim not to care.
I recommend you don't assume things about me. It never goes well.
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BUT JANE DID! Wasn't expecting that... Startled me and I dropped a survivor.
I did check the locker after anyways, for dwight 😳
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You believe that.
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As an LGBT person, I agree. Like I said in a previous comment here I used to be that LGBT person screaming for all things to have LGBT people in it, now I'm like eh. This is a game that I use to get away from life's bull that it likes to throw. Like gaming is my escape from stress and I don't care about a pixelated character liking someone or not.
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Woke up to 22 notifications and thought..uh oh, what did I do now?? 😊
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yui can be anything and everything we want her to be.
lesbian rights? hell yeah
trans rights? hell yeah
nonbinary rights? hell yeah
while we shouldn't push lgbt rep into everything, its good to have personal headcanons!
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Given that the game already has heterosexual representation, why not LGBT representation as well?
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Lol no, she was in tome I
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The thing is.. no one should ask for this. It’s either all sexualities should be included or all should be excluded.
and since heterosexuality was included for a long time even though it was stated they never wanted to include any mentioning of sexuality it should be natural to also include LGBT.
Escapism from real life but being okay with exclusion? You can even just ignore the lore in this game completely and it wouldn’t change your gaming experience, would it?
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As an LGBT person, I disagree. There's no reason to exclude LGBT people when non-LGBT people are already in the game and have been in the game for years without anyone making a big deal out of it. I also don't see how excluding LGBT people serves as escapism, unless what you're trying to escape from is the existence of LGBT people, which seems weird for someone claiming to be LGBT.
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oh i'm not saying "absolutely no lgbt rep!!!"! nor is it a bad thing, i just say we shouldn't (personally) push it because it really comes up to the dev's decisions, and sometimes some people don't want to misrepresent something they aren't too knowledgeable about or don't know how to incorporate into a character without stereotyping.
i'm not saying that the devs don't know, though, because i don't know where their stance is on this and all, it's just one of the many reasons!
and this is coming from an lgbtq+ member myself (trans ftm and pan, hello fellow trans+pan individuals <3), so i can understand that some people may not be as keen or feel like such a thing could be just easily slapped onto a character if they're going for a sexuality or identity that requires some research.
also, you have to take into consideration the community too. i don't know exactly how received that sort of thing would be, and i personally wouldn't risk it if i were a dev, so maybe the devs also might see that as a potential issue too.
there's a lot that can go into this aside from just saying "hey this character is mlm/wlw/trans/ace/etc."
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It was never stated that each character won’t be included in multiple tomes..
but maybe it will just be like Adam now, getting some charms/cosmetics but no new lore entries. We will see.
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The devs have already decided they want to confirm which characters are LGBT (because, according to the devs, there's at least one in the game, they just haven't been confirmed.), as opposed to just the non-LGBT ones. Nobody's pushing anything.
Personally, I don't care what people think about this unless they also complained when non-LGBT characters were outed. Anyone who didn't complain about non-LGBT characters lost the right to complain about LGBT characters as far as I'm concerned.
There isn't more to it than putting a specific pronoun here or there in a character's lore, or saying "boyfriend" instead of "girlfriend" (or vice-versa). This is all lore, which apparently nobody ever reads, yet everyone claims to care deeply about when it comes to LGBT representation.
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fair point! i'm just more-so thinking in terms of respect as to why people possibly wouldn't want to get their universe involved with LGBTQ+ topics and identities. i'm glad to hear the devs want to confirm who's part of the community though! that makes me a little excited. :0
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yeah, the devs made their point very clear on their tweet and also in responses to the people against inclusion.
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out of curiosity, may i be linked the tweet? i don't think i've seen it yet since i've been on and off twitter!
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No respect is owed to people who complain about LGBT "topics and identities", but didn't complain about the same things when applied to non-LGBT, at least IMO.
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Sure
edit: seems like the hate responses (and therefor the direct responses from BHVR I mentioned) can’t be found there anymore. I guess Twitter deleted hate tweets?
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tysm! <3
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Not escaping from LGBT people, I use games to escape life which is usually full of homophobic abuse for me living in a small town with small minded creeps. I'd rather not have it on a game like DbD I love games like life is strange, but they have a story. Games with a story yeah I love LGBT characters in those games, but to me dead by daylight is an online game with challenges to complete so I'm not really interested in a characters sexuality as a background. Don't get me wrong, the lore is cool and I'll look up a characters lore but that's it.
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plot twist - all characters are asexual.
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Honestly, I don't even pay attention to the stories from the tome I don't really understand the cut scenes at all and I've rewatched them so many times and I haven't seen anything to do with sexuality. I didn't say I'm okay with exclusion, I'm just not bothered with a characters sexuality in a game like dead by daylight where the story kinda comes last? Life is strange, dbh, the games that follow an actual storyline I get wanting representation in those because I was genuinely happy when dbh had a robot lesbian couple because it was sweet and fit with the story. Like maybe if the character had it in their lore that they had a horrible homophobic family and it turned them into a killer or a survivor who ran away from it, that would be interesting as lore, but like I said to me the story comes last in this game so LGBT or not, I don't mind I just like certain characters.
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Totally valid opinion.
just interpreted it as you don’t want them to include LGBT+. If you really don’t care then that fine of course. It’s just the case that many that say they don’t care actually don’t want lore inclusion but are okay with heterosexual relationships mentioned in the lore.
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Nah, I do love seeing my community represented in things but horror games like this is meh. Although, I do love the idea of Wraith being very camp thanks to Samnation.
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Homophobes are playing the game as we speak. Confirming LGBT characters would just prompt them to out themselves (because they can't leave people alone), which would prompt them to be banned, which would reduce the number of homophobes in the game and make it better for everyone.
Adding/Confirming LGBT characters to a multiplayer game with proper moderation doesn't make it worse, that's just propaganda. Indeed, it makes it much better by banning a significant source of toxicity.
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That's a good point, it would be nice to weed out homophobic players. I just feel like it would fit better in a story based game like Until Dawn was full of straight drama to me, I mean love the game it's great but I would have liked an LGBT couple in there somehow (even though I've heard theories that Josh is bi?) The last message I had on PS4 was full of homophobic slurs because I beat their team so weeding them out would be great, like I said to someone else I'd like it to be in the lore maybe like a survivor runs away from a homophobic family, starts a new life and the entity takes them for whatever reason. Stories in DbD don't interest me much but I can see why other people would be interested, I just play the game for the characters in my favourite franchises like Saw because Tapp is my man.
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Honestly never really got those vibes myself. I do think that she might be trans, though. The strong jaw line, the high hips, etc.
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That's mildly transphobic, y'know... the whole idea of 'i can tell someone's trans by looking at them'...
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Well, my trans girlfriend agrees with me, so... And what I was getting at is that someone assigned male at birth tends to have a taller, more narrow pelvic bone.
I suppose facial features are more me stretching it cuz I rather hope she is revealed to be trans, and contouring being a thing can make your face look virtually however you want...
I get where you're coming from, though.
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I honestly think bhvr is going to keep the whole "make your own headcanons" sort of route. I don't think we'll see any LGBT characters confirmed anytime soon. I prefer it because really it is a horror game and, while the lore of the character may be an appeal, it shouldn't be the sole focus of a character.
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So what’s your opinion on lore of Nurse, David, Legion, Felix?
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The only time someone's sexual prefferance matters to me is if I'm romantically interested in someone.
Seeing how that isn't the case here ( sorry Yui you're not my type) i don't care.
That said if someone can relate to her more by her being lesbian made that be by headcanon or officially then who am i to argue against that?
You would hear zero complaints from me if they say she was a lesbian
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They haven't been on that route since the Nurse and have already confirmed they're going to confirm LGBT characters in the lore.
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sorry to have misread you.
Just very used to getting the line of 'they don't look trans' from bastards when doing character designs and getting the whole 'you should dress more like your gender' irl... (surprise, I don't have one, what am I supposed to do? go naked?)
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Is orientation confirmation necessary in any way to play or enjoy the game?
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No, although the way some people are rallying against having confirmed LGBT characters despite not doing the same for non-LGBT characters, it sure seems that way.
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No.
is exclusion of it necessary in any way to play or enjoy the game?
(hint: there has been some kind of orientation confirmation since introduction of Nurse and multiple times since then)
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I wonder how horrible it must feel to wake up and worry if the characters I select, in an asymmetrical game where people are being thrown on giant hooks by beings empowered by an inconceivable force of evil, enjoys balls, boobs, or both.
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I'm sure that if people don't go out of their way to make it a topic of discussion within that community, as such a thing is irrelevant to the gameplay itself and should not influence how one performs in the match.
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What is this?? A normal buttercake post????
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Gotta tick off those diversity boxes, I guess. This kind of stuff is a huge meme every time it comes up. I'm just here to cut people up and get camped, not think about whether or not the character I'm playing swings every, opposite, or conventional way.
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So don't think about it. It's going to be buried deep in the lore, you'd have to actively go out looking for it.
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That's none of our business, now is it?
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who cares tho
its a game where you run around windows and pallets
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Bisexuals exists
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The reason it matters is because representation matters. Does Ellie's sexuality in The Last of Us matter? The game mechanics wouldn't be any different if she was attracted to males, and you could argue that her being a heterosexual young woman wouldn't even change the narrative that much. The problem, as I see it, is if every game is absent of homosexual characters. Then it is as if gay people do not exist in these game worlds, this straight-washing of societies, even if they are imagined, leaves people without representation regarding their sexuality.
Representation done well can help bring down barriers, it can help prevent bigotry, demystify and nomalize something that people have no choice in. Would Dead by Daylight be a better game if it reflected sexualities? Yes. Will it help me be beeter at escaping the Killer? Sadly it won't.
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Well Peter Parker aka spiderman, is someone who many people from all different backgrounds and walk of life relate to. Men, women, black and white. Ect ect. Who do people relate to a character so much, who is not their gender or even looks like them? Good character, who when through very relatable things like the lost of loved ones. Having trouble playing the rent. Things every day common people can relate to. Balancing his personal life, along side work and super hero life.
Which none of the reason people relate to him, is due to his skin color, gender or sexually. Which it's not skin deep things they relate to, it's more than that. It's about who the character is as a person, not what the character is. Which is why I bring all of this up. For what you bring up at the end of your post, is well something that happens alot in the past couple of years. People will just slap x sexually onto a character and call it finish. Thinking people will just relate to anything if you just have it be x. Which often leads to well gay Iceman, where marvel turn a legit straight character gay due to magic and created a character so poorly written, you would think the writer hated gay people, if he himself was not gay. For iceman was turn into the most flameboytant unlikable jerk you could picture.
Now japan has a whole genre of manga about boys love and girls love. Heck even stuff that is not purely focus on it, like a historical manga I can recall about samurai, will show this kind of stuff. Yet people are far more accepting of it in eastern media like japan than western media. Is due to one simple reason. The quality of the writing. They take the time to build a character who is say gay but they are so much more than just gay. They are a fully flesh out character, to the point their sexually is a very minor trait. What often western pieces of media get wrong that eastern media gets right is, the character is more than just their sexually. Alot of western pieces of media like gay iceman, Chavez under Gabby Rivera from marvel, is they make being gay the one and only trait these characters have. It's at best skin deep representation. When a real person, be they straight, gay or something else. Has a personally, they can like sweetards, enjoy drinking beer, playing video games. They are not just straight or gay. They are a human being, with so many more parts that make them into who they are, that even if two people are straight, gay or whatever, they don't act the same, for they are different people. They are not part of this hive mind collective, which is how some writers like to treat gay people. No they are people. Yet sadly some writers will just see this as a cheap way to cash in, by throwing in a gay character and giving no effort to making this character a good character, just so they can say they have it. Which in some cases it like who can really blame these writers for doing so. Since you hear demands for representation, not demands for good writing. That and well in the case of representation, that is that little issue of well. People are different, to truly represent everyone, you would need different characters with different ways of thinking and acting. Not just well they are x and nothing more. For the thing people relate to most, is who a character is, not what they are. Since you have women like that Star wars Girl on youtube, who relate to Luke Skywalker and look up to them as a hero, due to who the character was as a person.
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What do you mean by this?
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Does it matter? They'll be dead on hook anyway XD
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^The last paragraph is the best thing I've read on this topic, I mean David and Jake literally have 30s outfits and people still gives a fudge about what's canon and not in a game that literally has multiple timelines (sort of, survivors dying and dying on end to feed the entity counts as multiple timelines)? The devs made their own story but so can we, we control our characters in game after all, right? That was the devs' initial plan all along but then the tomes came and they realised they can't find a loophole to keep everyone happy anymore, but that doesn't mean s**t in the end, if you want Dwight and David together, nobody stops you.
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