Saying noed is a crutch and for trash killers is a horrible and DISRESPECTFUL statement
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This videos sums it all up, I left it on another thread about NOED.
No matter what advantages or what the killer does survivors always believe they should get away. Look at bt, ds, even body blockers( I hate when someone body blocks but I don’t complain it’s part of the game) I will agree that being a camping killer is a pretty ######### way to play but for some killers it’s hard when survivors have so many advantages.
Learn, adapt, improve, survivors are more OP than killers and they hardly ever get nerfed.
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I get get what your saying here, as a person who plays in both sides. Us survivors can't blame anyone but ourselves. For me it's always like a little guessing game "like oh I bet this killer might have noed (90% of the time wrong btw). It is definitely a good perk for killers and can help keep them motivated because even as a green rank killer I use it every once in awhile, especially on bad days. I don't get why everyone complains about it on the survivor side... Maybe just.... 👀....
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it is for bad killers though, the kids who hate to feel like they lost because they can't take an L.
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Whether the perk is considered a crutch or not is irrelevant use whatever you want to.
In an idealistic world no one would judge you on whatever perks you running but sadly we're not in an idealistic world and people judge you based on anything they can.
It's the main reason why people tend to throw out camping and tunneling in situations where it wasn't there it's easier to blame someone else than yourself.
If you like noed use it as long as you're having fun that's all that matters
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Good killers rather use perks to help them in chase or to track survivors.
That being said its very obvious for survivors when killer potentially has noed due to their playstyle in chases so its smart to cleanse well hidden totems and leave easy ones incase of noed.
Also if killer gets more than 1 kill out of noed thats survivors being bad.
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If you can't do well without NOED consistently, then you don't deserve to use NOED. You're just using a crutch perk and are bad. I've played killer for 3 years only before I stopped playing and I have never once used it. I'd rather lose and spend my time focusing on ways to improve before the game is basically over than rely on it. Now that I mention it, I never thought I'd see the day where Ruin would be nerfed before NOED. Truly shows the state of this game.
Some of you sit there and you make excuses and justify it with this or that, and it's just ridiculous. The only thing I will say about NOED is that I was always less likely to be camped and tunneled by a killer when they had it, and it added a bit of excitement at the end of the match that basically didn't exist at all due to the killer being trash for the early game and being unable to hook people.
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You can call a kill deserved or not, with broken map sizes, gen speeds and SWF, camped, tunneled or slugged. A kill is a kill
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If you are a good killer, you know that noed is a waste of a slot perk. Instead of it, just use a perk that improves your chance of winning BEFORE the end game. Also, noed is annoying because gives kills to a killer that's not GOOD ENOUGH to win whitout this crutch(yeah, it is a crutch, whatever you say). But there are a lot of survivor's crutch perks, that are annoying to face as killer. So, if you want to use it, go on.
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Before end of game? 2 gens are popping usualy before you catch first survivor. There is literaly no enough time until BHVR deletes stupidly fast gens.
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NOED= Weak and lazy killer. Someone can't handle the endgame.
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just because it’s “disrespectful” doesn’t make it untrue
it is a crutch lol
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How is it my fault if I hook two seperate people in the time limit and still get hit with it because I TOTALLY tunneled.
There's always exceptions.
Or if the survivor is literally body blocking me from hitting their friend with BT.
There is always E X C E P T I O N S .
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PGTW isn’t crutch at all you have to hook people to get your stacks.
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NOED = self-preservation of killers in times of insane gen speeds where main game last no more then 5 mins. All gens can be repaired in 4-5 mins so killers must take perks that shine in final phase of game. After devs stop petting survivors and make gens fair speed, then there will be no need of NOED.
NOED = lazy survivors that ignore totems and focus on gen rushing instead. This perk is perfectly balance because survivors are punished for ignoring secondary objectives a hurrying to finish game.
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As killer I don't care if gens pop because I'm running bitter murmur noed. I'm not bad at the game I just don't like to freak out over gen progress. Instead my Grinch smile grows with every sound towards progression. I'm not doing it for what survivors think TBH I'm doing it to relieve stress.
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You could argue that survivors who get hit with Noed are bad survivors because they failed to cleanse totems. The easiest action to do in dbd. (I don't believe that, just flipping the script for arguments sake).
Either way it is silly to say 'someone is bad because they use x perk(s)'. Perks are there to use and to accommodate people's play styles. Some people like end game tactics which makes Noed a very good pick for that.
I have been sent really mean messages from other survivors saying I am trash for running Bond and Spine Chill (my favs) and no exhaustion perks. That is just how I like to play tho.
Sending anyone mean msg is rude and disrespectful but you can't stop people from being jerks... just ignore and play how you want to play.
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NOED was made to curb survivors who mindlessly genrush and then even after genrush don't play smart at all during endgame. (usually just running around gates)
Survivors have many crutch perks aswell that are way more common and way less hated.
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It's so weird to see a group of people collectively wrong about a single topic.
Does anyone calling it a crutch actually run NOED beyond green ranks? Do you think the perception of only bad killers running it partially stems from the fact that a killer has to play with one hand tied behind their back for it to go off?
On the flip side, it's not even that good. Totem spots don't suddenly become good during end game. You're likely to get one or two instadowns against sentient survivors before they cleanse it. Is that an OP crutch? If you get snowballed from NOED, it had more to do with you than the NOED.
Do you think good killers don't need NOED, or is it that good killers realize there are better perks?
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Noed sounds risky on paper but in reality, this perk activates almost every single time you use it.
Be honest, how often do you really see survivors cleanse all 5 totems before noed activates? Because I almost never see it happen unless I cleanse them all by myself and when I did use this perk as killer a long time ago I only saw it happen once or twice, usually against really good swf teams.
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I agree it's rude. But so is killers attitudes towards DS, BT and the like. Unfortunately people on both sides just can't accept a lose.
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Honestly I think the reason Noed has the reputation it does is that its one of the few general killer perks that's actually good. Which leads it to getting slotted in by people like me who haven't been playing very long and have barely any teachable perks unlocked.
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"How is using NOED "doing nothing".
How about running the entire game with only 3 perks?
How About risking a perk on a hex totem, that is so easily countered.
The Killer is in fact risking quite a bit, and if they are lucky it pays off."
You are misunderstanding. I never said using NOED wasn't a risk, it is a risk. I also never said it wasn't counterable. Just because you are taking a risk using NOED and playing 1 perk down, doesn't mean you DID anything, you just hoped they wouldn't cleanse totems is all.
"Any Kill that happens because of NOED is earned. Survivors get salty over it because they don't want to blame themselves for the NOED death. Even though NOED , is entirely in their hands."
You didn't "earn" anything. You were rewarded for survivors being lazy, that's it.
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"It's entirely up to killers if DS/BT activates"
*cheers and confetti*
"It's entirely on survivors if NOED activates"
*boos and tomatoes*
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That happens 1 match out of 50 but ok. I'm actually surprised by how many people are delusional about this game
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Noed typically gives bad killers very undeserved kills. Lower ranks are where I saw noed a lot and the killers that would run it would pretty awful. Just how it was and is. Most higher rank killers don't use it because they are actually confident in their ability to chase and kill without noed.
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that because survivor have double standard it ok for them but not for the killers even tho noed not that great it mostly back up it survivor genrush sometime they take it out before last gen done or worse take it out right after one survivor get hit with it.
because remember survivors will only go for lit totems.
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I only run NOED on killers that lack map pressure, which are usually low tier killers. If you see NOED on a high killer killer, be glad they aren't running a better perk because NOED isn't even top 4. If you see NOED on a low tier killer, well it's a low tier killer.
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Noed is a crutch for bad killers.
I can say this because I used to use noed as a crutch because I was a and killer.
After I 'got gud' I saw noed for the crutch it was and replaced it with perk combos that rewarded skill.
Noed is training wheels for new killers. Anyone who denies this is ultimately kidding themselves.
Seriously if you want to up your game your going to need to ditch the training wheels first.
The only time I use noed now is on Slinger just for laughs. He's great for fu3king up those exit gate butt dancers who thought they were safe till BAM! Blood warden muthafuka!
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Many. What has that to do with Noed beeing one aswell?
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I'm seriously thinking about running Corrupt+NOED in my matches.
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Nothing wrong with an early game and end game perk combo.
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Simple solution to it.
The people who claim it is a crutch, just join the next dbd tournament with a price pool of 15k$. Show all of them that you do not need such crutches and show how people like otz, ayrun etc.. are just weak lazy killers.
All the comments are there from the people in the forum who think it is a crutch, so now back up your words with some action.
Yeah but i think there will be more excuses and not one will do it. I wonder why 🙄😏
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It's nobody else's business on why people like to use NOED, they can use what they want. Like survivors who like to keep using there training wheels perks (Dead Hard & DS) at red ranks. lol
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I don’t know about you but whenever I play survivor and the killer isn’t doing well I’ve learned to expect Noed after the last gen pops, and what do you know, 9x/10 it turns out I was right. Most good killers don’t need noed because survivors rarely make it to the endgame so yeah, it may not be a crutch per se but it’s definitely a second chance perk by all means and it rewards sub-optimal gameplay. Does that mean you shouldn’t run it? Who cares you’re free to chose any perk your heart desires. Just don’t expect to get better as a killer by relying on it to get kills.
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Putting NOED on your build means you're going into the match knowing that you're going to lose from the loading screen.
No respect for red rank NOED gamers.
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Saying NOED is just a crutch for bad players is dumb. So what if a killer doesn't down you all game then gets you with NOED. They may be bad, but so are you and the other survivors for not preparing for it. In the end, it's the survivors fault for not spending any time getting rid of totems.
The perk gets no value at all til endgame and can literally just be a wasted perk if survivors account for it. Literally high risk, high reward.
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Having NoED doesn't make you a trash killer. But if you're a trash killer, you're probably using NoED. (and probably a Mori too). Just like having DS and Unbreakable doesn't make you a trash survivor. But if you're a trash survivor, you probably have both.
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Of course it is disrespectful; salty Players clearly intend to be obnoxious when they let us taste their delicious salty tears. It is disrespectful to do anything other than be humble in victory and gracious in defeat. Good sportsmanship, on the internet, is much rarer than in real world (more is the pity). I think people should treat virtual interactions with the same manners they outside of it.
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Exactly. But it's the fact that so many killers complain about "second chance" perks on survivors that leads survivors to also retaliate against perks like Ruin and NOED. At the end of the day, both sides seem to demand that the other side be able to do their job without the help of perks.
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Hatch is a crutch perk? You realize that the hatch prefers killer right? Even if a survivor is standing right on top of the hatch, the minute killer gets there, closing it takes preference over jumping into it. How about the built in crutch for killers? Bloodlust. 3 stacks for a killer that is already faster than a survivor to start.
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well you shouldn't get kills especially if you were trash, and good killers don't need noed as it's to the point that noed needs little to no skill to actually use it
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Any perk that rewards people for their mistakes is a crutch (dead hard, iron will, NOED) you are not trash however for running it imo.
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hi im a killer main with 1800 hours and 7.5k kills
if you use noed your a trash killer unless you literally have no better perks or you are learning a killer like nurse and you know you will loss.
Even when i play wraith or trapper i don't use noed because while the perk is balanced and imo fine as it is using it is yourself expecting to loss so therefore unless you're new to the weak or hard killer or have absolute horrible perks you are trash for using it.
edit: of course the same goes for players running DS+UB you're actually worse than a boosted killer running noed.
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Man i feel like a broken record.
SURVIVORS OBJECTIVE IS TO ESCAPE. Not do gens. Gens help the escape. You can do all 5 gens and still lose. Noed reminds survivors of that. The whole "noed is a crutch" is the same mind set of "camping bad." And "gen rushing bad". No. Its playing your objective. Anyone who says anything else is just salty af.
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If you think about it all perks are actually crutch perks. Because crutches support you so you don't fall and perks support you so you don't lose even with the drawbacks on certain perks all of them have some sort of use. And without the perks it would mostly depend on your skill and not last minute pick me up perk. So yes no mither is a crutch perk.
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Man, they can take ALL the perks out if they want, as long as I don't have to run in a ######### circle anymore.
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Following this logic, if a killer knows that he might lose, then it is a trash killer? Like, good killers think that they never lose? But I think everyone can lose and having NOED for the end game just becalms a little.
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you can't know you will loss before the game even starts, that was my argument with using noed. using it means you expect to loss regardless of who you go against. If you are confident you won't loss and use it anyway your still trash for using a clutch while already being good at whatever killer your using.
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Alternatively, you are confident you can win with just 3 perks, but still want a little insurance.
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