Guys. It Has Been Less Than A Day. Stop Saying Something Is Too Strong Or Weak
The PTB has been out for like 4 hours, you can not say for sure whether this killer or any of the perks need a buff or nerf.
Now let me make this clear, you can absolutely think the killer might be strong or might be weak. First impressions are big and can absolutely be right. But come on now, the load of pish some of you spew is disheartening.
But I've seen too many people say something like "WHAT WERE THE DEVS THINKING? THIS IS DUMB!"
I've seen some people even say that the devs shouldn't even release the chapter because of how broken The Twins are, which is dumb.
So please, don't jump to any conclusions will ya?
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Good idea.
I’ll start calling them overpowered and underpowered instead of strong and weak.
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That's what I'm saying. It's only been a couple of hours and I'm already seeing post like "KILLER NEEDS A BUFF" Give a few days
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This happens every time unfortunately.
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Everyone on the PTB said Pyramid Head was weak. Wait 2 weeks and he's the most broken, unfun, bullshit apparently :)
First impressions aren't always correct and I agree completely, we need to wait.
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This happens during EVERY new chapter. Its so common now, you can’t even get fed up with it anymore, just let it happen.
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Pretty sure you should know by now how the forum works.This post isn't gonna do anything.It's a waste of time unfortunately.
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A new chapter reveal / PTB is simply not complete until several people have declared that the DBD sky is falling because of reasons a through z. At the end of the day i reserve judgment until its been tested, perhaps adjusted and then put into play. 9 times out of 10 most of the complaints end up being about very niche situations that turn out not to be half as concerning as people think.
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I've already seen nearly a half dozen threads of people claiming Power Struggle is OP - after having never used it.
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It's the next For the People. People are overreacting at the idea that a perk has a strong effect and ignoring everything else about it.
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This reminds me of the release of:
The Blight, The Deathslinger and, especially, The Oni. Hilarious.
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This is normal first day PTB reactions. You might as well tell people to stop complaining about DS or Noed.
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My head hurts so much I can barely read the replys lmao. The ist of it seems to b e that this is normal, and while tht may be true I still think we oughta make it clear thaat most people don't support these rash decisions.
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Eh it's the ptb. Ppl are going to leave their feedback. Then there are the people who are commenting based off videos that they've seen without playing the ptb at all. Yeah they might have good reasons why they can't access the ptb but it's still kinda weird to leave feedback.
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I confess, when people say This is OP This is UP, 95% of the time it's incorrect. People take one look at something and come to a conclusion. However there is that 5% where something people said would break the game actually ended up breaking the game.(Old MoM or Patch 1.9.2)
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But it's the PTB. Is that not the point of a PTB?
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Is it not the idea of a PTB realm that people can express their feedback based on the experience they are having?
From what I am seeing:
- Victor is hard countered by lockers; it cannot do anything and once swap happens or he misses a jump, just pop out and kick Victor? Seems a bit easy way to hard deny the killer their power... without even using resources?
- Victor preventing you from leaving the trial seems useless, as when you get rid of him you can leave and if Charlotte hits you ... you just fall down and escape, it isn't like placing a survivor in a dying state ever prevented them from escaping. Seems like a true oversight based on the description.
It could be me, but these might be aspects of the design that needs some attention or at least an evaluation? Instead of just calling for people to not talk about it, maybe theory craft and discuss the topics people bring up and the concerns they have. Help contribute and create useful feedback for the developers? If you have a different look, explain why and how your experience differs so the developers can take that into consideration as well? What you are doing here isn't helping either...
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Its early but the fact that victor cant do anything if a survivor goes into a locker needs to be changed for sure
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Not what I’m saying. I said not to draw any total conclusions. Not that you can’t talk about anything balance wise. Its simply to early to definitely call a killer unusable or busted based on at the time 4 hours experience. That is way different than saying something like “Victor is hard countered by lockers.”
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Not really, it is just more concrete and useful to state it like that. It is a conclusion, it is drawn from just seeing a couple of matches played. It is stating that aspects of Victor are way to weak, I just specify exactly what those are in a more civil manner.
Not everyone is a wordsmith or goes into details. Instead of shutting them down you should promote dialogue with them to understand what their concerns are to provide better feedback to the developers. Even their brute manner is valid feedback and that is what a PTB is for.
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The PTB is there for people to give feedback. Threads like this are actually what we don't need. Feedback can be useful... threads complaining about feedback serve no purpose whatsoever.
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You seem to misunderstand me, I’m not saying drawing a conclusion for something is bad. What I’m saying is drawing a definitive conclusion overall is bad. It makes complete sense to say something “Victor is hard countered by lockers” as that is something you can catch onto quick. However, saying something like “this killer is a mistake and the devs are stupid” is not a smart conclusion to make after just 4 hours experience. If you gave someone 4 hours and then asked their opinion on nurse, do you expect them to say “shes the best killer in the game”?
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Read this, it works as a response.
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A prophecy fulfilled.
And the legend will continue in another 12 weeks time.
...and another 12 weeks time.
...and another...
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You may cant say he's too strong or weak yet, but that doesnt mean you cant list any problem yet. (Like the locker ,,counter" to victor.)
If Charlotte isnt close enough there is NOTHING what you can do about it.
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Soooo the ability for survivors to take away the twins power completely isn't broken? The ability to hide in a locker then hop out just to punt Victor across the map isn't broken? Victor Misses? Just punt him. Killer is controlling Victor? Just complete the gen right next to Charlotte because they have no idea you are there.
The Twins have major potential. But it depends on whether the devs will capitalize on that potential, or just push them out with minor/pointless tweaks.
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Nope, you absolutely can and should point those out; thats the point of the PTB after all.
I'm saying making a concrete claim like "Power is worthless" or "Power is OP" is dumb when people don't even have a day of experience with the killer. Its basically hat @JustChangeIt above you said.
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I’m looking forward to it all. I think this is going to be fun all around. I hated blight but this is looking on the up and up.
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I mean c'mon, you can read the descriptions of some of the perks and know if they are gonna be good or bad. As far as the killer's power itself that's a bit different.
For example, double items from chests? That's gonna be really good. One guy with plunderers and a purple coin can get like ~10x chances for a key.
Notifications for people opening chest? Laughable, if good for the memes. Devoting an entire perk slot for something that might give you 4-5 notifications a game, that you might not even be able to act upon, is a meme.
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Normally, I would agree. However there is no escaping the fact that the killers entire power gets negated in too many extremely common scenarios, and that in turn lead me, someone who is usually very cautious about labelling something weak or strong in the first week, to call them the absolute worst killers in the game in their current state.
I'm not even kidding, it is actually better to not use Victor at all, because of all the no-brainer counterplay and massive punishment.
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The new killer proves that dbd is dying...
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How?
People called Blight ######### on his PTB release because he WAS #########. He got MASSIVE buffs before being released
Nobody said Deathslinger was awful or OP, they only said he was hard, which he was. At worst, they said he was "a worse Huntress", and they weren't exactly wrong.
People said Oni was overpowered on PTB release because he WAS. The guy was absolutely GUTTED before his release, and was only nudged up to playability again later.
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This game is not that complicated.
Experienced players can make a reasonable judgement of something's strength from playing with it for just a few games.
Twins are a decent concept, but this version of them is just complete dogshit.
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It's common for a reason; the first impressions are usually right, and if they aren't changed before release their thoughts just end up getting affirmed.
There's always gonna be a couple dipshits with a bad take, but it's totally possible to judge a killer's strength soon after their release.
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That is the point of the PTB though. For us to try stuff out and give feedback so they can make changes before it goes live.
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I'm saying making a concrete claim like "Power is worthless" or "Power is OP" is dumb when people don't even have a day of experience with the killer. I'm not saying that you can't make any recommendations or observations.
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I was here when Spirit was announced and watched as everyone was screaming “shes going to be so bad... shes not viable... shes useless... shes weak...”
Rin is the Queen Killer right now
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By "everyone", do you mean Tyde?
Because that's the only person I know of who thought Spirit was fundamentally, bad, and at that time he considered Clown A-tier, so take that as you will.
Even if it was more widely held at the time, it wouldn't have been wholly inaccurate if we're just talking about her PTB state.
Her lunge was bugged, her power recovery took 20 seconds, old DS still existed, and maps still had god loops.
She was OK, but she wasn't amazing on PTB, especially compared to the survivor side at the time.
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It's a test build....
Learning the killer (on both sides) should happen
Then taking the new perks and trying them out on all killers
There really hasn't been time to test everything
And yes if something major happens then by all means tell everyone you can about it
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I am not misunderstanding anything, yet you fail to understand what I am saying. Just because you don't agree with how they provide feedback does not mean they shouldn't.
The fact that all offensive power of Victor is destroyed by a simple locker is a pretty good reason to believe that the killer is weak. Calling for a buff to this aspect and the preventing of leaving the end gate, you might be ignoring most of your own message. I however am responding to your whole post.
Do I think it is more beneficial to keep it civil, name calling the developers is not constructive and for those stating it isn't in a stage it should be released might have a point.
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Until the end of time.
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That is the point of the PTB, but not after a few hours. That is not really enough time to properly evaluate how strong something is, especially killer strength.
Pyramid Head and Blight are both way stronger than people thought they were at first. People thought Deathslinger was fun to play against, then people learned how to zone, and now I and many others despise playing against him. People thought that Oni was stupid OP but now he doesn't get much play because he's very punishing if you misuse your power. I'm sure PTB impressions of The Twins will be far off too, even for people who wait longer than a few hours to comment. Same goes for perks, btw - remember when Any Means Necessary and For the People were going to break the game?
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Or the now infamous “sPiRiT iS wEaK!!!” claims during her PTB.
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The only issue I've seen is Victor is completely countered by lockers.
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A lot of the big killer streamers figured out Pyramid Head pretty early on. Like Tru3 figured out the sticking the sword into the ground to bait and zone a few games in but also that he's really weak in map pressure. They fixed some of the jankiness and more people began to utilizing him for his zoning that's why he seemed "stronger" after PTB. Mostly because people were playing it wrong and unlike most of the high level killers who had already figured out how he should be played.
Blight had to be hit with buffs and fixes from PTB. He was ######### terrible on PTB. Running into ######### everything. They buffed him into live and after to further reduce his clunkiness. Again, a lot of the high level killer streamers were pointing out the potential in blight but because of all the bugs and clunkiness, he was super weak on PTB.
Oni got nerfed pretty good since the PTB didn't he. He's still considered one of the stronger killers but he did get hit with a big nerf.
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Maybe a few streamers and community members caught on, but I'm talking about the general feedback on the forum. If most people weren't aware that zoning was possible with PH, like you called out, those people would incorrectly assess his strength. That sort of thing is going to happen to every killer, though, and that's exactly my point. We need time to figure out the optimal ways to play and counter the killer before we can really comment on how strong it is. One guy playing the PTB for a few hours is not going to know enough yet; the community collectively needs more time to figure it out.
Oni didn't really get nerfed much from the PTB, especially for console players. He mostly got hit with a change that prevented players with a mouse from abusing the higher sensitivity to turn faster than intended. The change just capped his turning rate to put console players and PC players back on the same plane. People just found him OP because they didn't know how to counter him (not greeding pallets in the early game and stealthing during Blood Fury, for example).
As for Blight, he is less clunky than on the PTB, but only comparitively; he's still honestly pretty clunky/buggy. He also had some of his best add-ons nerfed from where they were the PTB. I think the real thing that changed with him was the development of the Ruin/Undying/Tinkerer meta. He's one of the most capable killers at making that meta work because of his high mobility, but this just wasn't common knowledge right when he dropped on the PTB.
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