Terror Camping or camping in general isn't a strat.
So, to keep it short; the killer isn't straight face camping but they're terror radius camping. Its like they won't face camp you, but they won't let you out of their terror radius.
For the record, this isn't a strat; it's a crutch, muchlike NOED. This usually leads to tunneling, Slugging, and or straight face camping when the killer fails. I don't know why people call it a strat to win if you have to resort to camping yo get a kill; it's lowkey pathetic if you have to resort to that. It's not every day that I see people tunneling, face camping, or just going so low just to get a kill but its the ones who do that get really get me.
Usually, I see that in lower ranks and that's very often. I haven't been running into NOED often but I HAVE been running into campers and tunnelers. For the record, it doesn't make you any less of a bad killer if you have to resort to camping and tunneling to get your precious 4k; and no, again, it's not a strategy to win, it's a crutch.
A strategy is a plan something THAT you think up and roll out. To getting a better definition; this is what the dictionary says.
Strategy - Noun - a plan of action or policy designed to achieve a major or overall aim.
Camping does NOT fall under this pretext because you didn't plan it out, you just said "Okay, so I suck or I want my 4k so I'll resort to just making the game unfun for everyone and get what I want." That's right, I'm calling ya out on it. So, don't try to call it a strat.
Back to my main focus, Terror Camping. Yeah, so this lowkey ain't really fun for many because if you don't have deliverance; you're screwed. It basically says "That's right, I'm camping and i'll slug you if you Come any closer." This apparently works out with killers like myers, ghost face and stealth killers in general. This leads to the survivor being put in the second phase, The team rushing the killer, the survivor gets tunneled and it's an easy kill for the killer; again, not a strat, it's a crutch. I've seen people DC from this either because that killer is tunneling them and has a Mori, or because they were basically tunneled the whole game. *Not fun.* Can we work to avoid doing this?
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So, it's only a strat when Bubba pops on insidious, agitation, iron grasp, and NOED. Love to a see a post showing Basement Bubbas the respect they deserve.
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Uh... Before I get any deeper into this, I'm gonna ask a question: Do you think it's reasonable for killers to go for 12 hooks?
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I'm sorry your opponent didn't play the way you wanted them to
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That's even WORSE, that's the most crutch gameplay i've EVER heard. Bubba is literally the gods of tunneling and face camping. If it can't have a kill, no one wins. Just like the hag except she's universally hated for being able to teleport half way across the map and still tunnel you. Thanks for the insight though.
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Again, camping still isn't a strat; and every killer falls under this pretext since every killer believes they're entitled to it when they can't get a glorious, wonderous, outstanding 4k.
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Hey killers,
You have my permission to play however you want.
<3
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I'm not going to say it isn't a thing, but assuming a killer is camping because you are hooked and in their terror radius is a bad mindset.
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Wait
I'm finally allowed to actually do forever freddy and be as scummy as possible?
Are you sure?
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So camping after gens are powered isn't a strat even tho not doing so will MORE than often get you no more kills?
Sorry there are times camping is a strat and not doing it is just stupid.
edit: Not that camping itself isn't a strat, it's just sometimes that's the best thing you can do. Also known as playing smart.
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"playing smart." Isn't a thing, its child's play. We call camping puppy guarding but on a more serious level. Camping isn't a strat, its just saying "I suck so I'll resort to underhanded things to win." I ran into so many killers back then who didn't have to camp to win, they were on the ball and those were the ones that had me on the edge of my feet. Now people just camp because they can't get a 4k or getting a kill to even feel successful, its really pathetic.
Like just now, I got out of match with a Plague and she wasn't camping, tunneling or anything she got two kills and applied pressure. A feng min and I escaped but you don't need to camp, tunnel or slug to get proper kills.
Sounds like another entitled killer who supports making the game as boring, bleak, bland and just annoying as possible. Nice to know.
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You aren't right about much in this post, so I'll try to be positive and comment on the one correct thing you said. Camping is not a strategy. A strategy encompasses an entire campaign, war, game, or in our case a match. Camping its a tactic, no more and no less. So I give you a point for understanding the difference between a strategy and a tactic. Beyond that, you don't know what you are talking about. Look, I get it. It is frustrating when you start playing this game and get the snot kicked out of you. All of us who play this game, started just where you are now. In time, you will be able to successfully play against Killers whether they Camp, Tunnel, Slug, or use the Mori. You will have no fear of NOED, or any particular Perk. You will reach point where those things don't get a rise out of you.
I want to point out that Camping, Tunneling, Slugging, and the Mori (as well as every single Perk available) are considered valid by the game designers and 100% acceptable. There is nothing scummy about them. None of these things are a "crutch" either. Other tactics include Herding (a far less understood but important one), Mind Games, Looping (either side), and Bricking, i.e. working it so that the Survivors 3-Gen themselves. I would argue that these are far more important than the ones that bother you; they are effective and win games. If I have a "crutch" as a Killer, it is probably Bricking. I love to herd my Survivors and help them choose the wrong Generators to do first. I'm more than willing to have a match last 20-30 minutes if in the end I will wear them down one by one because they can't get those last Generators without giving up hits and downs to me.
My strategy as a Killer (well with Myers) is attrition, and I will Camp, Tunnel, Slug, and Mori if appropriate in a given match. I will Herd my Survivors in every single match and try to Mind Game them, try to keep Looping to a minimum (I suck at it), and always try to Brick the map so that time is on my side. In the course of this I will often use Survivors as bait for other survivors, a honeypot. I actually break Camping down into more specific groups:
Squatting = Standing point blank at the hook.
Lurking = Hiding nearby (usually just outside of point blank) where neither the Hooked or the would-be saviors can see me.
Camping = Short range patrols which allow me to return to the hook in time to intercede in a rescue or punish the rescuer.
I suppose what you call "Terror Camping" is the same as what I call just plain Camping. Of course, I rarely have a terror radius (or much of one at least) with Myers. When I choose to Camp, regardless of type, I'm doing it for a reason, and it is always to support my overall strategy. Your one-dimensional way of looking at these tactics is not productive.
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It's a strat though. It's thought out and then executed afterwards.
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So if it isn't a strat then a survivor hiding arounf the hook isn't a strat either?
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I dont have to camp, but I do get games where all three non-hooked survivors will swarm to unhook, and my rationale at that point is, nobody is doing gens, and this person's on a hook timer
The survivors are being dumb, I will take advantage of this,
I adjust based on the survivors
I find out what they want
And I make it hard for them to have it
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You really shouldn't of thrown in the definition in there because its gonna work against you.
"Terror Camping" as you call it, IS a strategy by definition. The killer is sticking to one plan and that's sticking around the hooked survivor to prevent all survivors to come for the save, which best case scenario: The survivors are dumb and they try to save him, wasting time and the person on the hook dies, which ultimately gives the killer the upper hand by turning the game into a 3v1 instead of a 4v1, plan successful.
"Strategy - Noun - a plan of action or policy designed to achieve a major or overall aim."
Don't come at me and say its a crutch, the definition is right here ^ and even in your own post, everything here falls into the definition
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Its a strategy thats used because survivors still fall for it.
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lmao one step closer to killers map camping...
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There’s really no problem with camping. It IS a strat despite your definitions. Deal with it.
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this post is a mess starts with to keep it short then writes 2 paragraphs ranting that terror radius camping isn't fun and it isn't a strategy
camping for a 4k is a strategy because its a plan of action to camp to achieve the overall aim of getting a 4k
by definition its a strategy
does it make in fun for both sides, no
but the main deterrent of camping is that its not fun or can make a killer lose against good survivors
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it doesn't make you any less of a bad killer if you have to resort to camping and tunneling to get your precious 4k
If a killer really is tunneling and camping and he still manages to get a 4k, I would honestly give him a big round of applause, considering the survivors must be really bad in order to make that work.
With that being said: Don't fall for it. It is a strategy, no matter how scummy you find it.
Look at all the famous horror movies. No killer with a decent amount of sanity will leave his prey. Camping has its originis deeply routed in the horror genre and DBD wouldn't be the same without it. Surely we all don't need a facecamping bubba, but camping at a certain point, or tunneling someone out of the game, is the only way for a killer to apply pressure and turn the game around when it doesn't look good for him. You might argue that it's the killers own fault that the game isnt in his favor but sadly due to rng, the current gen meta and the possibilty to loop most killers for 5 gens, you can be the best killer in the game and still lose without having any chance to do something about it. And that just doesn't feel nice.
So...should we also talk about the strategy that survivors tend to rush gens when the game get's rough for them? Should we talk about the strategy that is called "SWF" and is basically cheating because it completely takes away the killers unpredictability? DS into locker? DS into rushing a gen? Hiding out Corrupt? Tapping a gen so it doesn't regress right infront of the killers face? Bodyblocking with three people so the killer isn't able to hook a survivor near the exit gate?
The list is long and all of these strategies are also "scummy" because they aren't a lot of fun for killers. But they still exist, and you know what: that is fine. Everyone tries their best to win in this game and it's okay to use everything that the game is giving to you. A lot of this is clearly unbalanced but it would be dumb to not use it, if it will make you win the game.
Do what you can to win but don't blame the other side for doing the same.
Besides...there are perks that can help you with camping and tunneling. You can counter it. Be happy about that. Survivors have many second chances, more than they actually need. If you and your team are not using them, don't blame the killer.
Eventhough there are a lot of people who don't want to admit it but DBD is competetive. It's not your casual "I just wanna have fun with my friends" game. So don't expect that everyone will play "fair and square". I bet there isn't a single survivor who says to his teammates "Let's not rush gens or use meta perks this game so the killer has fun too" and yet survivors still have the audacity to tell the killer how he should play the game. Stop.
Everyone can play how they want even if that ruins the fun for someone in the game. Just move on after the game or use the encounter as a form of learning. Look what mistakes you have made that could have helped the team or could have turned the game around for you. Create your own strategies for these situations.
Fun means winning in this game, at least for the majority of this community. And there isn't just enough time to 12 hook everyone which revolves into killers that will camp and tunnel to get their kills. I am sure that most killers would actually want to have a lot of different chases that will later on reward them instead of punishing them. But that's not how the game currently works. Sadly.
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Then don’t rush the hook 0.00000000001 nanoseconds after I hook someone. I’m not letting you save them for free.
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Just do gens, let there be a sacrifice
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I'm so confused, did you have a bad match? Did your other survivors not come and get you since the killer was nearby?
You made a long post and with alot of detail but I'm not finding why a terror radius near your location is a bad thing. There are so many other factors to consider, such as gen location nearest you, maybe the killer is hunting people nearest you, maybe the killer's mom cook them up some chicken nuggets and they can only play with one hand. Like we don't know what is going on lol
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Edit: wrong thread
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putting myself in a defensive position around a hook to secure a kill before I move to my next target is not a strat?
Nah pretty sure it is :p
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"Strategy - Noun - a plan of action or policy designed to achieve a major or overall aim.
Camping does NOT fall under this pretext because you didn't plan it out, you just said "Okay, so I suck or I want my 4k so I'll resort to just making the game unfun for everyone and get what I want." That's right, I'm calling ya out on it. So, don't try to call it a strat."
By your own definition it is a strategy, but you just go on to twist the situation to suit your salty needs. This is what happens more often, "Ok I just hooked that nea and I saw one person on a gen far away with bbq, the other two must be nearby since I didn't see them, I'll look for them." Or more straight forward. " I am going to circle this hooked person because I know someone will come to save them, then I will chase that person." How is that not a plan of action that achieves a goal?
You would have to be willfully ignorant to not see that. I don't care about your camping argument either way but at least make valid points. Not ones that are clearly tailored to suit you. Just because a strategy is scummy doesn't make it NOT a strategy. And FYI the community calls it proxy camping, not terror camping.
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I play survivor in red ranks (usually rank 4, sometimes rank 3) and camping and tunneling are a common strategy here. Yes, let's call it a strategy. That doesn't make it valid or more likeable to me, but per definition it's a strategy.
As pointed out, the easiest counter to camping is for the other survivors doing gems instead of going for the rescue, so that only the person on hook suffers from the lack of skill of the killer. Call me biased, but in my opinion it's a massive lack of skill if you have to camp or even facecamp just to get a kill. There are scenarios where I understand camping, e.g. after the survivors genrushed or the exit gates are powered, but from the start? That's just pathetic.
Yes, I do play killer as well. I am really bad at it. I often don't get a single kill at rank 17. Is that frustrating? Sure. I could get my kills through noed, moris or camping. But I don't gain any personal satisfaction with it. Why are people so adamant that this is a valid and fair strategy when you could just try and get better? Just practice. There are great killers out there, I played some super matches against them, where they can get a 4k without any of your so-called strategies, and I am genuinely happy for those killers because they got these skills through hours of practice.
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100 % agree. I have so many survivors called me camper tunneller when they tried to unhook when i am still around.
It's a shame when BT and DS can save their asses in these situations where they make a grave mistake of unhooking when killer is nearby.
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In that case I'd rather go for the person that unhooked instead of tunneling. This way you don't have to worry about BT or DS, you are not tunneling and still get a chase with a survivor, who honestly deserved it for farming others off the hook.
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I was going to also give you a lesson on tactics and strategy, but @Moundshroud has you covered!
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There is just one thing that is not clear to me: Whats your authority in this? Where you appointed, or voted as a judge for this things?
If not, why should everyone respect or even care your opinion, when you clearly not respect or care for those that differs from yours?
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Have you ever considered BBQ and chilli. It’s honestly amazing looking around after hooking some one looking in one direction and seeing at least 2 survivors running closer. So of course I’m gonna stay closer to the hook cause the second i fake walking away they run at it
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Did....did a survivor player just say that I can do that?
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They said it, they can't take it back.
Quick, everybody take a screenshot.
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If the killer does not hook you and immediatley walk to the direct otherside of the map, allowing ample time for rescue and full healing, then the bully target is camping and you should D/C immediatley to assert your dominance. Apply a thorough cussing and implied racial slurs in gratuitous ammounts post game to further bolster your hollow self esteem.
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Hm, to be honest with you, I always get camped and tunnelled. In most games. I expect to be tunnelled and camped.
Then again, I do tunnel and play scummy because I want to and it’s the most optimal way, so I understand because I see both sides.
People should experience both sides more often.
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I have seen plenty of survivor teams where I hook one person, and then ALL THREE OTHERS are immediately coming for the rescue. What am I supposed to do as a killer after they do this the first time? Knowingly walk away from 3 easy targets to kick a gen, when I KNOW they are all going to be hovering around the hook within less than 30 seconds?
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Well, if you think you'll DC if you see a iri head, it's a stretegy too?
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Me: *Plans on camping and tunneling all game before I'm even loaded into a lobby.*
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Sure but its a pretty ######### strategy which guarantees you lose.
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Damn I hate it when survivors complete a gen and go do another gen. How dare they. That isn't a strategy that is a crutch.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. A player on the hook is live bait and if the killer has 1 on the hook and 2 trying to save that leaves 1 on gens. If hooked in a good spot the killer can likely guard 2 gens at the same time. If you ask me thats a plan and a strategy. What is your strategy? Stand around not doing gens waiting for that almighty slugging snowball that crushes you. The next step of the plan is to come to the forums, say a killers strategy is pathetic whilst sounding pathetic for not having a plan for yourself.
Someone has to lose and if you get caught out in this game as a survivor YOU are doing something wrong.
Killers don't owe you anything and how they play the game as at their discretion. If you want the game to change then start asking devs to change the start of games where 2 gens are slammed. Why do killers need map pressure when they have live bait doing it for them. Starting to get the picture?
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As somebody who plays both sides equally I feel like plays need to realise that not every single thing is a slight against them.
Usually especially as a survivor you need to take the time to think and analyse the situation before you go off on an extreme tangent about camping or tunneling.
If you noticed your teammates are being super altruistic you need to be careful because it usually means the killer is going to end up patrolling a lot more often.
The amount of times as killer I have barely been able to walk to the nearest pallet to break after hooking a survivor before they get saved is ridiculous. If you have situations like that guess what the killer is going to start to do they're going to start to intensely search around the hook for those survivors who rush it.
Camping becomes a strategy depending on how the survivors play usually overly alteristic survivors of very easily countered by slugging and camping. If I know all the survivors tend to rush for the save why the hell will I go across the map to try to find the mystical fifth survivor.
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By chance were they running ruin undiying you know the perks that require you to apply pressure or was the last gen done and the killers goal is to kill or were they in the mid of a 3 gen there are several reasons for the killer to "camp" then and if not just accept they are dead and speed gens
Had a bubba game where he was hiding behind a tree w insidious and the hooked person had kindred and I solo did 3 gens while the randoms decided to challange a bubba " great idea" bc surivors are so smart if they win with the u cant touch me build but the killer is bad if their plan works
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Bad news, though:
I also give permission for survivors to play however they want.
There, that about sews it up. Y'all go have fun. If it's not fun, figure out what is and go do that.
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Ahh yes I planed this exact thing at this time with this map bc rng dosent exist and I'm otzdarva galaxy brain come on the plan I go into each game it to Get 3kills and adjust baised on the situation at hand. A definition dosent work when randomize things are thrown into the map and those who dosent let up on a definition the killers plan is to kill
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Sometimes camping IS a strat, sorry. If a survivor goes down in the middle of a three gen, for example, they’re getting camped if I don’t want to throw the game. It’s nothing personal, but I’m not gonna walk away from every possible objective just so I’m not technically camping.
It’s on you to make camping unappealing to the killer. Don’t go down in the middle of a three gen, don’t go down next to the basement, don’t bomb the hook, make it so that the killer feels pressured to leave the hook area so that they won’t lose more gens. You have 60 seconds so you can make them sweat a little bit. If they still camp, they’re throwing the game and you can teabag them on your way out of the gate. If you feed camping though, you make it viable.
If anything I would say that the worst kind of camping is the premeditated kind. Insidious, NOED, Bitter Murmur so they can get everyone no matter what the survivors do.
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Here we go again
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A killer has to work off information in order to know where to go next.
If a survivor is unhooked and i'm still close i'll head back to the hook.
If I see a survivor close by the hooked guy, i'll go after him.
If you're expecting killers to run off and leave you alone after you've been hooked you're dreaming at the speeds gens get done.
If you're the first one hooked, congrats, you're the weakest link.
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Plan of action dc against iri head
Overall goal, not play in a match with iri head
seems like a strategy to me, because literally any action is a strategy
Not that I agree with all of them but they exist
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thanks, I will be sure bring oni with franklins demise >:)
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