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The Leatherface/Claudette issue.
I never even realized it but there is a thing going around that Leatherface being able to put claudettes face on is a problem for obvious reasons.
I never looked at it that way. It surprised me but it makes sense I guess. What are the thoughts on this?
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...I don't get it. If this is supposed to be a racism thing, people need to grow the hell up.
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Saying that out of all the custom faces LF has only claudette's is not okay because she's black is a direct racist claim.
Cosmetic itself on the other hand is perfectly fine.
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I don't see any problem with this, not even in the slightest. Bubba wears his vicim's faces - regardless of color or gender or religion or whatever. He treats claudettes face like every else's. He makes no difference. I think it would be more racist to say "Claudette's black, we can't have her face as cosmetic for Bubba!" because with this statement she's not treated equally to everybody else.
Imo people who think this is "Blackfacing" don't even know what that is to begin with.
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that's what I was told, since leatherface is white putting on Claudette's face would be considered racist. I'm not trying to raise hell I'm just curious because I never saw it that way but clearly some people do.
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If anything it would seem racist if Claudette's face -wasn't- included.
Bubba doesn't discriminate.
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this. I tried telling someone who said that exactly this but they said intent didn't matter and so on so I just let it go.
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Leatherface doesn't even know what racism is. He's massively mentally challenged psycho killer attack dog.
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Every face is equally comfortable
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A lot of people view it as racist because they think it depicts 'blackface'. There's a difference.
Blackface is when you paint your face brown/black. If you look at the history of blackface, it was used to mock black people. Recently, when there were cosplays taking place for dead by daylight tournaments, the official dbd twitter disqualified someone for cosplaying Claudette because they were a white woman painting their face brown.
Leatherface isn't depicting blackface, he is literally wearing the skin of a black person on his face because it's his natural instinct. To him it's his moral imperative. He doesn't discriminate (he will wear anyone's face, whites/blacks/Asians) and he's too dumbfounded to know what racism is.
Complexion is a trophy to Leatherface no matter the colour, so if he sees it, he takes it.
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agreed, I feel it's a vocal minority. I respect their opinion though even if I don't 100% agree with it.
It's really people who use it in a negative way that would be the problem.
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OP also seemed to forget Jake is Asian.
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I didn't forget that at all. I knew that which is why it seemed odd to me that the only vocal problem is Claudette
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Plus if they did take the face out purely because she's black, it would be pretty ironic
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Its a no win situation
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yup
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I say leave the face in, it only seems to be a small minority complaining about it.
Even then wearing faces is just part of bubba's character. He doesn't care what your race is, if you have a nice face, it belongs to him.
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I don't see the problem with Bubba wearing Claudette's face. If they haven't seen the movie, I would recommend that they go watch it because Bubba doesn't care who you are and what your race is because he's WEARS THE FACES of his victims. It's just in his character so why wouldn't he wear Claudette's face? Race hasn't nothing to do with this
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Cannibals don't see race they just see food
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Well, between you and me, I've been told that Bubba is actually a Pescatarian.
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Seriously? It doesn't upset people that he wears the faces of his victims, but wearing Claudette's face is over the line?
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Me who forgot that leather face has diffrent faces and never changed it
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Bubba is cancelled 😤
Seriously tho I get the issue people might have with it but in this very specific context the argument against it is just strange. Like the killing someone, eating them, cutting off their face and wearing it over your own is one thing, but now here's where things get inappropriate.
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LOL, it's only okay to murder, skin and wear the face of a white dude when you are a serial killer huh? Bruh the stuff people post on these forums are legit gold sometimes, oh man that was funny as hell.
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Leatherface wears the faces of all of the 4 starter survivors to say that he shouldn't be able to wear claudette's because she's black is a racist statement in of itself. You're basically saying that Claudette should be removed from the original for set because of her skin colour ( keep in mind and you'll have two caucasian and one Asian face that Leatherface can wear)
Yes I know there's a history behind the insensitivity of Blackface. However what Leatherface does is not meant to be a insensitive caricature. it's legitimately just leatherface's MO to wear people's faces
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Bubba is the worst most hateful character in all of history. He makes hitler look like a girlscout.
I mean, he's got solo much discrimination going on, i can't believe the developers keep him in the game. I mean...
He can wear Claudette's face so he obviously must hate black people.
He can wear Jakes face so that means he hates Asians.
He can wear Meg's face so obviously he is sexist.
Now with his granny cosmetic he is ageist.
And let's not forget he can wear Dwight's face so he's obviously....well that's ok since there is no whitism. Dwightism?
I will argue everyone has a right to believe whatever they want but jeezus some people need to look at places where real brutality exist. Real racism. Maybe then they can see that a fictional character in a video game replacing it's regular pixel colors with different particular color pixels is so far down on the offense list to be near non existant.
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I find it hard to pick up on sarcasm on the internet, so you had me worried for a sec there.
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Why is this even being talked a bout? Bubba wears the faces of his victims, so how is this racist? Is it because he's white? Look Bubba doesn't care about the race of his victims as long as he has a face to skin, he'll gladly have it, so I don't see what the issue is
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It would just be segregation of faces. How would Bubba, pig squealing, chainsaw welding maniac, be able to look at someone and be like, oh I can't wear your face cause your black
God that sounds weird to say
Then if the devs removed it because she's black then it's also segregation. Leatherface can't wear her face cause she's black, that would be saying her face isn't good enough...
Man that's even weirder. I'm gonna just slowly back away from this conversation now
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While blackface is a distinctly racist thing, Leatherface wearing a black person's face isn't since it fits with the history of the character.
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Bubba needs to go back to woke school 👀
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#BoycottBubba
Please stop making something out of nothing :(
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No, anyone who thinks that is just overthinking it.
Person = Face
Face = Mask
Mask = Good
there's no problem. Claudette is just another victim. I'd argue that the people who think this is racist are themselves racist people.
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#########. Dude it is a game.... I don't care what other people think. If you try to always please everyone you please no one. God damit I really hate in wich direction mankind is going. Everything is "offensive" or "it hurt the feeling of X" grew the f*ck up..... I guess this is really a generation thing and iam getting old and tired of this sh*t
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Keep this for reddit or twitter please.
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Actually it would be even more racist to not have it and have the other ones in game
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So if the horrifying cannibalistic skin-mask wearing serial killer was black, would him wearing Meg and Dwight's face be racist but Claudette's face okay? And what about Jake's face?
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There's no problem unless you make it a problem. Grow up and act like an adult.
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I guess I never paid that close enough attention to know that this was a thing *shrugs*
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No one's making it a problem, so unless your comment means anyone in general, your response isn't entirely helpful and unnecessary.
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I'm fairly sure Bubba doesn't have the brain power to be racist
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My solution to make the people complaining happy is to remove all the faces instead of just Claudettes to avoid racial exclusion.
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I think there's a big miscommunication over the topic. I believe people are more upset over the fact that it allows some players who actually are racist to throw Claudette's face on simply because she's black. It doesn't matter if Leatherface himself isn't a racist, the issue lies within whoever's controlling him while wearing Claudette's face with ill intentions. Having that feature in this game allows those types of people to celebrate it differently from those who just see it as another cosmetic.
It's like this: maybe sweet, sweet Dwight himself would never teabag and click his flashlight at you; however, when controlled by someone else he gives that person the opportunity to use what he's capable of (in this case, crouching and using a flashlight) to teabag and repeatedly click his flashlight just to annoy you.
Does that make sense?
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I'd actually like to say on this thread, I wanna see more of the original survivors added since we have a lot, I know it's a lot of grinding (25 kills/hooks each survivor afaik) but it would add more to work towards?
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Then the issue isn't leatherface, but the intentions of the human playing him.
For example, white guy in his ford f250 diesel intentionally decides to run over a black kid. If we assume racism is the motive, do we boycott ford?
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It would be racist if he didn't wear claudettes face.
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First of all. Hahahahahaha
Second, I would love to see another remake of Texas chainsaw massacre where bubba puts on a black face and his brothers are like "wooooooooah, bubba that's not okay."
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Claudette could not help the situation in any way, and nor could Learherface as he doesn't care nor is he able to. And how are you to assume any players intent when the only communication is during postgame, and thats if the killer was on PC/Stadia.
Just immerse a little and go along with the fantasy.
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That's basically what I was trying to say - that Leatherface himself isn't the issue, but that's how so many people are approaching the topic when they say things like, "Leatherface isn't racist, he'll wear anyone's face" or whatever. I'm just trying to open up a little different point of view how it made sense to me. Like if that white guy (or Leatherface) didn't have his Ford (or Claudette's face as a mask), he couldn't run the black kid (or the black dbd playerbase) over with it. Yet it's still a feature allowed in-game, and there are people who are bothered by it which is why the debate exists in the first place.
So yes, that is correct: Leatherface himself isn't the issue and no we don't boycott Ford in that instance, nor did I call for boycotting Leatherface in this instance
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There's definitely players who use it specifically to be toxic & try to blackface, I've seen a handful who do that. I've also seen players both survivor & killer who only kill female survivors, or only kill Claud, Tapp & Adam, they usually admit it in endgame chat with some extra colorful language, haven't seen any since before Crossplay though.
The best action is to report those players, and move to the next match. I don't think the Smartface customization should be removed from Leatherface, just because a very very small minority of players are toxic about it.
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Leatherface doesn't care about race or gender, he just Kills Mother F'ers and wears their faces, quit being a bigot and trying to start sh*t that ain't there. This is my favorite mask btw better than his P3 and I worked hard to find and kill those Blendettes back when they were actually invisible.
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