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Wraith is such a push over killer. Perhaps a rework is in order.

Sunbreaker7
Sunbreaker7 Member Posts: 651
edited November 2020 in Feedback and Suggestions

Wraith is perhaps the biggest push over killer in dead by daylight. He has so many weaknesses and very little strength to make up for it.

His greatest power is remaining invisible and surprising unexpecting survivors to get an easy hit. However, one can simply deny him by flashlight and not even Lightborn perk can save you from this. Do you know any other killer who can be denied by survivor item?

Remaining hidden can often be quite hard considering many maps are wide open fields with very little obstacles to deny vision when working on gens as survivors. I often find myself unable to come from an unseen angle. If the survivor spots you, you are left to eat pallets and wasting precious time as you hold no power in chase. There are very few maps where Wraith works as he was designed.

Another problem with Wraith is that If the survivors spread wide and work on different gens, Wraith has no power to create map pressure but is left chasing one survivor at a time. Leaving a chase prematurely to go create gen pressure often leaves Wraith in a risky situation where survivors can easily finish a gen despite Wraith's near presence, he is not a threatening killer to fear, unlike Myers, Leather face, Legion, Hillbilly, Huntress, oh you get the idea. Even I don't shy away from working on a gen when facing Wraith. His bell basically gives auditory warning when I should let go of the gen and run to the nearest safe space like window loop or pallet. Sure, there is the add-ons to help on this, but you can't always bring those with you and not having them hinders your strength tremendously unlike when compared to many other killers who manage just fine without add-ons.

Wraith also does not have any power in end-game collapse when trying to defend a hook. Unless he has noed active, the survivors can just walk over him without any fear because he is basically just M1 killer and cloaking does absolutely nothing for him at that point.

I am not saying that you can not win games with Wraith, obviously one can master him just fine and do decently in matches against a good survivor team, but when put next to other killers in the game, he is tremendously weaker in every aspect in my opinion. Even in stealth, Pig, level 1 Myers, and Ghost face all surpass him in the element of surprise. Wraith needs to uncloak before he can hit, the others can insta-hit or surprise-grab from gen when in stealth (all except pig but he does not need to use his ability but rather just stand up from crawl).

When you really think about it, every other stealth killer in the game manages much better than Wraith in every aspect of being a killer.

Now feel free to disagree and throw your opinion on the table. I know I am coming out strong with this one, but for someone who has over 2,000 hours on DBD and knows every ins and outs of every killer, their strength and weaknesses, I find it hard to find many positives on Wraith which would make him a dangerous killer compared to rest.

I feel like something is missing, something he could use in chase perhaps to make him a more interesting killer.

Comments

  • Steel_Eyed
    Steel_Eyed Member Posts: 4,033

    Wraith is addon dependent, I’ll admit that. Anything beyond that and we disagree about how good/not-a-push-over Wraith is.

  • WishIcouldmain
    WishIcouldmain Member Posts: 4,082

    Well we'll have to wait and see after Clowns rework/buff. Then we'll have to wait even more since there are a few killers who also need to be buffed.

  • GrimReaperJr1232
    GrimReaperJr1232 Member Posts: 1,750
    edited November 2020

    "Do you know any other killer who can be denied by survivor item?"

    Nurse can't blink when a flashlight is on her (though you're brave to try), Hag gets her traps destroyed, and both Trapper and Hag can both have their traps revealed by maps.

    "Remaining hidden can often be quite hard considering many maps are wide open fields with very little obstacles to deny vision when working on gens as survivors. I often find myself unable to come from an unseen angle."

    I agree with you here. Wraith is harder to see but not really invisible on certain maps. I think he should be completely invisible at a distance, similar to Freddy to awake survivors.

    "Another problem with Wraith is that If the survivors spread wide and work on different gens, Wraith has no power to create map pressure but is left chasing one survivor at a time."

    Kinda-sorta. Wraith is a hit and run killer, meant to come at unexpected angles without warning but not meant for long chases (similar to Ghost Face). The problem is that this can easily be countered by decent med kits, destroying his pressure instantly since he's meant to juggle survivors similar to Legion (who is the one killer you never heal against).

    "Wraith also does not have any power in end-game collapse when trying to defend a hook"

    He can cloak and camp... no TR means no BT. This isn't fun nor is it something I encourage, but thought it was worth mentioning.

    All around, I agree in that Wraith is weak, too reliant on his add-ons, and needs tweaks. I just wanted to respond to a few statements made.

  • Yords
    Yords Member Posts: 5,800

    He is a stealth killer so he has some things going for him, but against a sentient survivor you will have a rough time.

  • IrishRedCap
    IrishRedCap Member Posts: 153

    Personally an easy quick fix for wraith inho would be this change to his power.

    Allow wraith to swing 1 time from his stealth/invisible mode. Regardless of if this swing hits a survivor or not wraith becomes uncloaked during the blood wipe/down time if you miss. If wraith is uncloaked in this manner he is unable to use his killer power for 20 seconds.

    This means wraith keeps his built in hit and run mechanic. It gives him a slight buff to be sneaky and jump scare people without pushing him into that threshold of hit-invis-hit repeatedly.

  • LiunUK
    LiunUK Member Posts: 954

    the changes he really needs are that his strengths need to be buffed the wraiths two biggest strengths are his invisibility and speed so...

    • they should make it so he is 100% invisible outside 16 meters, as currently you can see him from across the map even when invisible due to the fact that the further away you are the more distorted the shimmer becomes making him look like a black blurry blob in the distance.
    • his base speed whilst invisible needs to be buffed and then his windstorm addons adjusted similar to what they did with pigs combat straps where they changed it from 2 seconds base crouch speed 1 second with combat straps to 1.3 seconds base crouch speed to 1 second with combat straps so from 1 second reduction to a 0.3 second reduction.
  • Sunbreaker7
    Sunbreaker7 Member Posts: 651

    you made some really good points there, lovely. However, by denying with an item, I actually meant direct deny. Sure, you can flashlight hag traps and find bear traps, etc, but actually stunning the killer with an item that leaves them crippled which basically grants you a free escape.

  • SquillDBD
    SquillDBD Member Posts: 163

    Wraith needs purple windstorm and bone clapper base kit. The they should buff his base uncloak time a little. They should also change the windstorm add ons to make the speed he gets after uncloaking longer.

  • APoipleTurtle
    APoipleTurtle Member Posts: 1,274

    By that extent, Nurse still counts. You can Lightburn a Nurse who is charging a Blink (though you need even more brave pills to pull that off).

  • _VTK_
    _VTK_ Member Posts: 383

    Wraith should definitely be faster when he is cloaked.