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Do you think legion needs a rework?

JBWarrior
JBWarrior Member Posts: 29
edited November 2020 in Feedback and Suggestions

I think legion is just a drop in what a killer should be, his power is dumb and he TRYS to give up chases. Rework time?

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Comments

  • Yords
    Yords Member Posts: 5,789

    Yes, he has always needed one. There should be some buffs to his base power and especially addons as they do nothing for him. Very few are useful.

  • HittingOnHook
    HittingOnHook Member Posts: 486

    nope, if I had the powers to do so and had no repercussions I would REMOVE the Legion (even when I bought it)

  • onemind
    onemind Member Posts: 3,089

    Or just make hia power not related to deep wound so it has a decent effect

  • Elena
    Elena Member Posts: 2,187

    if Legion did what he does now but without the deep wound thing, he might be somewhat decent (like a Billy/Nurse 2.0)

  • BattleCast
    BattleCast Member Posts: 705

    No, killing Legion’s current design to make a better killer is NEVER going to be worth it. Reworking him would just drive people who currently enjoy Legion out of the game.

  • BattleCast
    BattleCast Member Posts: 705

    ok I’d be down for speed addons returning. It’s honestly so much fun to go zooooooom around the entire map at light speed with Feral Frenzy. I still don’t know why the speed addons were removed :(

  • Sonzaishinai
    Sonzaishinai Member Posts: 7,976

    People just jump to reworks way to fast. A few tweaks and an addon pass is all they need. I actually really enjoy the power of the Legion and i'm not alone. Legion is no where near bad enough to warrent a complete rework

  • StibbityStabbity
    StibbityStabbity Member Posts: 1,839

    Absolutely, yes. Legion has several glaring issues.

    • Their power can only wound, which means it's only REALLY affective against a healthy Survivor team. It's been said a million times that healing against Legion is a waste of time, because their power will negate the time you spent healing when you could have been doing gens or bones.
    • Legion works best when Survivors are grouped up. Survivors know this. When most Survivors see they are up against Legion, they spread out to minimize the Killers power. Similar to certain other Killers, this more or less puts the use of Legions power in the hands of the Survivors, who will always try to minimize it. For the Killer, this can be extremely frustrating, as their power only really sees its full potential at the beginning of a match and maybe towards the end, though other issues with the power come into play then.
    • Legions power is severely punished by multiple elements. Between losing power when using basic attacks to the 4 second fatigue, Legions power punishes the Killer for doing basic Killer things. On a missed power attack? Sure. On regular functions of a Killer? Why?
    • Legions power, as stated earlier, only wounds. This severely detriments the Killer in pinch situations where a Dying state is needed in order to apply pressure. It's kind of amazing that Legion is one of the few Killers where Survivors could technically state that "Using their power is a net benefit to survival". If you use the power to chase someone off a gen, that means the Survivors know the Killer cannot down someone during that state. They can make plays based on this. They can do a gen in the Killers face, unhook near them, and only need to wait for that 4 second fatigue before they need to treat Legion more seriously. Yes, Huntress needs to reload when she's out of hatchets, but she is still an M1 Killer that can slug if you get too close. Legion loses that as well, and it only a speed boosting Deep Wounder. There are multiple youtube videos of Legion using their power to basically help Survivors escape to a hatch or the exit gates because their power does not benefit the Killer in scenarios where a down is needed. It's maddening.
    • Legions add-ons are, well, uh, they're pretty bad. There are a few good ones, but they seriously need to be overhauled to properly benefit Legion.

    It is worth pointing out that there are things Legion is very good at. Most Killers need to get EXTREMELY lucky to wound the entire Survivor team as quickly as Legion can on a regular basis. That's a strong power, and applies some pressure. However, once that initial pressure is applied, that's it. Legion has little else going for them. Legion is also pretty fast, and in the right conditions, can become oppressive. If the Legion player is particularly clever, they can minimize the long list of detriments and still do well, which is a strength of Legion mains that is often ignored or written off: if Legion does well, it's because the players commit a ton of skill to using them. Legion is also a pretty decent beginner Killer. They primarily utilize all the basics of being a Killer main, and their power helps them learn maps and mobility options. It also shows them Survivor movement, which they can pick up on and use later on other Killers. Advanced players also know how to use Legions shortcomings to at least give SOME kind of benefit, the most obvious one being to use their fatigue while body blocking an escape route to give their target less options. This is, again, a great skill that translates well to other Killers.

    I like Legion. I started this game as a Legion main, and still play them here and there. The glaring flaws are the only thing that makes me pick other Killers half the time. I like how they look, I like the idea of edgy teens stabbing people, it's fun stuff. As a Killer, though, Legion needs to drop some of the extreme punishments of playing them while also maintaining focus on what they are good at. On top of that, Legion needs SOME kind of lethality option in a pinch that isn't prefaced by DSing themself.

  • SunderMun
    SunderMun Member Posts: 2,789
    edited November 2020

    Just give the cooldown add-ons a reason to exist (0.2 seconds for the best add-ons is crazy pointless) and change the useless Killer Instinct add-ons to speed add-ons. (I don't mean crazy additional speed, either - something minor like 2-3%)

    Also stop punishing him for successful M1 attacks.

    No rework needed.

    That said, rework deep wounds UI so it doesn't make the survivor blind.


    @Sonzaishinai I agree 100%.

  • Khroalthemadbomber
    Khroalthemadbomber Member Posts: 1,073

    Power rework, no.

    Add-on rework, yes.

    Honestly, Legion's power is fine and does exactly what it's supposed to. THAT SAID, I still think it's way too much of a negative effect to lose your full power bar when pallet slammed and lose a HUGE chunk of your power on a basic attack when you compare Legion to a Killer like Oni that keeps the full bar of his power even if he's pallet slammed with it active.

  • FFirebrandd
    FFirebrandd Member Posts: 2,446

    Legion needs some addons reworked. I think their base power needs a few buffs here and there primarily to raise its up time. However their power does not require any major changes.

    So... Power Rework, no. Add on rework, yes.

  • Felnex
    Felnex Member Posts: 334
    edited November 2020

    Yes! Absolutely he does! They totally missed the mark with him, and I think the Legion is their worst design yet. Their gameplay does not match their lore or theme at all. 0%.

    They were advertised as a gang, but in-game they operate solo. What. Their power is generic and unintuitive.

    More than anything, I want to see ALL 4 Legion members in a trial. Turn them into a killer that's based around switching control (Like Charlot/Victor) and controlling as much of the map as possible. It would be cool to see one Legion member be the leader, tagging survivors with Feral Frenzy, and then the other members of the Legion spawn on the map and chase the weakened survivors. I don't' know if they could program AI, but I think that would be super cool.

  • DoritoHead
    DoritoHead Member Posts: 3,546

    Absolutely.

    I've been saying this for the longest time. Legion needs a FULL rework. His power is simply to boring to play against and too weak. What makes it bad is baked into the very concept of what it is.

    Therefore, he needs a complete overhaul.

  • StibbityStabbity
    StibbityStabbity Member Posts: 1,839

    Well, the elite skin basically means that will never happen. Also, I don't think they'd want to code something like that. Would be cool, though.

    Personally, I think it would be kinda cool if you could swap between the different members on the fly. There'd only be one Killer out at a time, but that Killer could change forms to one of the different members. Each Legion would have a different set of pros and cons, as well as a unique way they interact with their power.

  • Hoodied
    Hoodied Member Posts: 13,098

    Oh wait you were actually serious

    Legion has the most counters out of all the killers

    1. Due to their frenzy being 130%, they are only 30% faster than you (which isn't that much), so force them to miss an attack via pallets or vaults
    2. When in killer instinct, no more hiding just start running, you counter this by running forward
    3. If they enter frenzy close to you and land a hit, they were going to hit you anyways
    4. If they are not in killer instinct, find all ways to lose LoS with them, they have no tracking inside of Frenzy so you can easily use Q & Q against them or simply run by a wall
  • FFirebrandd
    FFirebrandd Member Posts: 2,446
    edited November 2020

    That's exactly why I don't want Legion to be given a complete overhaul. I like the fact that his power is primarily designed to keep the other survivors busy while he engages in basic M1 killer gameplay. I might be weird in liking M1 gameplay but I do. Legion is one of my mains because they give me the delay necessary to make basic M1 gameplay not just... way too slow to be viable.

    If they want to try to make mending more engaging somehow... sure. I would have no problem with that because that doesn't make Legion... not Legion. I honestly love the fact that Legion's 4v1 game is good and his 1v1 game is kinda meh.

  • White_Owl
    White_Owl Member Posts: 3,786

    A rework? Nope.

    QoL changes and little buffs? Definetly.