BHVR thanks for forcing me into crossplay (attempt #2)
I'm remaking this post because this is still a problem.
Let me make this abundantly clear: This thread is not about why I or anyone would want to have crossplay on or off. It is about being denied an optional feature that is negatively affecting my experience with the game. I would appreciate if this time around the mods actually tried to keep everyone on the topic, that topic being that I am forced into crossplay on Xbox Series X when I would like to turn it off.
Just to reiterate, I can have any reason I want to turn off crossplay, it doesn't matter what the reason is when we are talking about the excluding a particular group of players from using of an optional feature. The point is that this optional feature is not an option for me. I was shamed and bullied in my previous thread, which a mod did nothing to actually address (who can sit there and say they did all they want, but when you jump on the "well just tell us why" bandwagon you are just helping to shaming someone for wanting to play the game how they want while also invalidating their feelings about being denied use of an optional feature).
Here is short version of the story: I was lucky enough to get a Xbox Series X on launch. Yay for me. Low and behold, DBD was straight up unplayable for about 4 days because the game would constantly crash in menus. BHVR "fixed" this by doing something such that enabling crossplay prevents the game from crashing. Essentially, I am being FORCED to play with crossplay as an Xbox Series X owner. There is no option to turn it off, because by turning it off the game doesn't function. I literally sit in a lobby searching for games FOREVER. Not even getting matched with other Series X owners, it doesn't matter how long I wait.
And just to make it clear, once again, IDGAF why you play with crossplay on. That's cool you want it for whatever reason, well I want to play with it off. But I cannot. PERIOD END OF STORY. It doesn't matter why, I want to play with ONLY Xbox players. However, as someone that now plays on Series X I cannot do this. If I turn off crossplay I literally cannot play the game. This is what this topic is about. It is NOT about whether or not you want crossplay. It's about being denied an optional feature of the game. Sorry if this sound repetitive but I really can't stand how people reacted to my previous thread.
"Oh but you are actually on a different platform."
No I actually am not. I am on Xbox. No other game in my library requires me to turn on crossplay to play with other Xbox players (some games crossplay doesn't even exist). Whether they are on Series X or One, I can play every other game I own with them, no need to turn on crossplay. That means that Series X and One ARE the same platform, albeit different generations of consoles. This isn't 1996 anymore. A new generation does not have to mean an entirely new platform that is incompatible with the previous generation. Microsoft has been very clear since they introduced the Xbox One that the idea of "new gen new platform" is dead. Series X and One are both the same platform. One is just a more powerful console, that's it. BHVR has every bit of control over this and can easily pair me with other Xbox players if I were to turn off crossplay. Just like every other game is doing right now.
I'm hoping that deep down this is a bug and they will eventually fix this. But the wording of the "fix" Tweet was so vague that it actually seems like they aren't even going to do anything about this further. Which is a problem, because it means I, a consumer, am being denied an feature that is optional to literally everyone else (well I heard this is a problem on PS5 as well). That sounds like discrimination with extra steps to me.
BHVR, when are you going to fix this? When am I going to be able to turn off crossplay and play with just Xbox players? When am I going to be given the agency over my online experience that literally the entirety of the DBD community has but I don't?
If this thread goes the way of the last I'll just take that as a big middle finger from BHVR and, well, we will cross that bridge when we get to it.
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Let me make this clear as an xbox series x owner..... you now own a console that is as powerful as a PC...... your frame rates are the same....
Not as many people have the xbox series x also how many of them actually play dbd. So matchmaking without crossplay is going to take forever.
Its not fair pitting xbox one users against xbox series x players they are not the same console with the same frame rates. If anyone says well they are both xbox.... yes but you are basically putting xbox one consoles up against a next gen console that has the same frame rates and powers as a pc. Take this from someone who does play cross platform with someone one an xbox one. They said the killer should have never hit someone as they were no where near them, I told them straight no... the killer was next to them
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Ughh....
It is entirely fair. You still don't have a mouse and keyboard. Not to mention, the game shouldn't be in the state it's in on Xbox One in the first place, the frame rates are horrible because the devs aren't actually doing anything to fix the few very clear problems they have.
Furthermore I DO NOT NEED TO DO THIS FOR LITERALLY ANY OTHER GAME. DBD is the only game where I am required to play with crossplay to actually play the game with someone on an Xbox One.
The last part of your post is lag. I still get that even on Series X. But having a better framerate isn't giving me this massive advantage over Xbox players. Survivor is literally the same, I can hit greats a bit easier but that's about it (also I don't get frame drops when hit with Sloppy, but again that shouldn't be a thing anyway). It only makes a difference as killer, and I don't see a problem with that. Killers need to have a bit of a boost. If my tracking and aim is slightly better because of good framerates, that's not a major issue.
The advantage of having a Series X is not so massive that it completely changes the outcome of the game. I have a bit of a better time playing killer, that is literally it.
EDIT: Just to make one more point... Steam doesn't differentiate based on your PC's specs. Everyone on Steam is considered on the Steam platform. Just like everyone on an Xbox, whether that be an Xbox One or Xbox Series X, is considered to be on the Xbox platform. The only exceptions to this rule are OG Xbox and Xbox 360 both of which were made before Microsoft decided to stick to the same platform and just upgrade the console itself for each generation.
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I totally understand your point here. Why should you have no option in a sense because you upgraded. Xbox is Xbox no matter how you spin it and the fact that you don't have a choice in this matter is super unfair. I also see some people somewhat shaming you for the way you feel about it and i think that is TOTALLY uncool. You should be able to only play with your platform if you so choose.
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BHVR is not at fault. It’s just the way cross play is implemented.
no one forces you to play with it enabled. No. Really. No force involved.
you have to endure longer wait queues because most of the player base for this console does want to play with all platforms.
you can’t force XBox One players to play against XBox Series X. That would not be fair for those that opted out of crossplay because they don’t wanna face platforms with way better performance.
you are not a victim here, it’s not optimally implemented for everyone, and it never can be. The way it is now is best way for the vast majority of players including XBox players
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I know you don't want to make this about why you want to turn crossplay off, but I'm curious why this feature is special. Regardless of why you want to opt out, is your frustration with not being able to opt out rooted in the fact that it's possible on other platforms? I ask because most features in this game don't give you the opportunity to opt out in the first place even when they clearly disadvantage some platforms (e.g. cosmetics and effects that tank the frame rate on some platforms). In other words, would you still be frustrated if crossplay were enabled for all platforms without the opportunity to opt out?Edit: Ah, I misunderstood. You actually can opt out on the Xbox Series X, but you are having a bad experience when you opt out because the player pool is too small. You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but I would struggle to blame Behaviour for this one. If they made last-gen and current-gen consoles play together when people opt out of crossplay, then last-gen console owners would be frustrated that they have a disadvantage against anyone with a current-gen console. Behaviour really can't win there.
Just because other games handle crossplay differently doesn't mean that it is the correct choice in this case.
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"BHVR is not at fault. It’s just the way cross play is implemented."
Literally every other game can do it. It is entirely BHVR's fault at the moment.
"you have to endure longer wait queues because most of the player base for this console does want to play with all platforms."
Again you seem to miss the part where I literally cannot find a game even with other Series X players. It is crossplay or don't play. Yes that is forcing me to play with crossplay.
"you can’t force XBox One players to play against XBox Series X. That would not be fair for those that opted out of crossplay because they don’t wanna face platforms with way better performance."
Yet every other game is doing this without requiring crossplay or even having crossplay built into the game.
They are on Xbox I am on Xbox. It is the same platform. If it weren't then at least 1 other game would require crossplay but so far I have not found one.
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With all the posts I've seen about this lately it seems like BHVR should really just add platform queues. I disagree with saying they're the same platform, they are different peices of machinery and thus different, but I don't see why BHVR can't have Series X and Xbone only queues, same thing with PS4 to PS5. If it's about the fact that the new consoles have better framerates, they wouldn't have allowed crossplay in the first place.
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They will never do this because it could slow que times, and that is the ONLY thing they care about. Its why matchmaking is so garbage because they refuse to possibly slow down ques for better quality games.
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Crying over crossplay?
Boo.
Hoo.
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Sorry but the devs aren't even able to optimize their game or adding accessibilty options like a colorblind mode after so many years and those things seriously affect the game experience.
I seriously doubt BHVR will do that considering how they choose to ignore even more important issues.
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Crossplay came about because people on PC wanted to play with friends on other platforms. But just because someone has a more powerful system doesn't mean they should be excluded from your matchmaking pool. For example, PC players can have wildly different variations to hardware. Yet if they disable crossplay they still get matched against people with better/worst PC's. Because as long as everyone is on the same platform (Steam) they play together, regardless of crossplay options. Xbox One and Xbox Series X are both the Xbox PLATFORM. I think people mistake a new machine as a new platform. That is the old way of doing things. Nintendo still does that and it's failing. Microsoft said from day 1 of Xbox One this is the end of console generations. They meant that from then on, Xbox is a platform just like Steam. Series X is just like upgrading your PC.
The way crossplay has been handled in the past and now egregiously on Series X suggests the developers want to FORCE everyone into crossplay eventually.
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I play on the one x and just purchased a new Smart TV and it feels like i am playing on pc.. People should still be able to play with others on the xbox platform without Crossplay turned on. How come no other game has an issue like this?? other games allow Series X players to play with xbox one players without Crossplay being turned on. Makes zero sense that DBD would be the only game to have this issue. Also i honestly think that the game could be optimized for the one x to run at 60 FPS because the system can actually handle it.
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Yes let's invalidate a complaint because there are so many other complaints.
Stay on topic please.
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So we still want to know WHY you want to turn off crossplay to both PS4 and PC. I'll donate money to charity if you explain the logic of wanting to avoid other console players.
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"Ah, I misunderstood. You actually can opt out on the Xbox Series X, but you are having a bad experience when you opt out because the player pool is too small. "
You still misunderstand, I cannot match with anyone even another Series X player. I sat for an hour in a lobby and never found a game as killer. At least 1 person would be playing as survivor on a Series X. AT LEAST ONE. It doesn't work at all unless you turn on crossplay which is what gives me hope this is a glitch they will fix.
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Why does he have to have a reason for not wanting crossplay??? The fact is they took the choice from him PERIOD. Thats the issue not having the choice in the first place
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Can you explain why you would like to disable crossplay if you'd feel comfortable with last-gen and current-gen Xbox players playing together? At that point it's clearly not an issue tied to performance and crossplay should only improve queue times.
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Fair enough. If I had to guess, it might be that they just haven't figured it out. Crossplay is (relatively) new for DbD, and, well... BHVR takes years to figure things out. I'd hope they're trying, but who knows. I can only hope they figure it out sooner than later for you guys, cause that sucks.
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It's not about invalidating your complaint.I just wanted to point out that it seems unlikely that the devs will change the way how they implemented crossplay.I suppose there was a certain reasoning why they implemented crossplay this way.
-Do i think that you shouldn't have to use crossplay to play with your own plattform?
Sure,i guess it makes sense.
Do i think they will put any ressources towards changing it?
Absolutely not.
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You know what actually is BHVRs fault? That there is an easy solution for your problem that wouldn’t change the way you play the game at all.
It is a different platform, even the creator of said platforms confirmed its next gen. It does not matter that they force other games to have crossplay automatically on.
you want to force XBox player that WANT to play with other platforms to play with your preferred option. That’s pretty selfish of you.
try to express your opinion about the game a little bit more respectful and not with words like ‚fault‘, ‚force‘ etc. they are not fitting at all. I am not saying you shouldn’t express your opinion. But try without insulting others.
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Xbox One X is last gen. Xbox One is last last gen. Yet both are considered under the "Xbox" platform. Series X is just the next more powerful console after the X. If Microsoft was doing new platforms, then Xbox One and Xbox One X would be required to enable crossplay to play together. And if Xbox One/Xbox One X aren't required to enable crossplay to play with Xbox Series X on ANY other game but DBD, then that suggests that the developers should have no issue grouping Xbox Series X players with Xbox One/Xbox One X players.
THEY ARE ALL THE XBOX PLATFORM. One should not be required to enable crossplay to play with someone on the same platform.
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The most likely explanation for this behavior is that the player pool is too small. Some people might say "Eh, I'll shut off crossplay, I don't think I want that", but once they wait for a long time without finding a game, most of them will just turn Crossplay back on. As a result, the player pool for opt outs may still be quite small. It might actually not be possible for you to find a match in your region.
Let's assume this is a matchmaking bug, though. The solution still isn't to change which platforms play together when you opt out of crossplay. The solution is to fix the bug.
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Maybe there's a certain kind of crossplay enabled by default on those games that puts you together with all xbox players?
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"even the creator of said platforms confirmed its next gen"
As I pointed out next gen =/= new platform. When the next gen of PC hardware comes out, can you suddenly not play with your friend on Steam that has this super advanced hardware? No. Yea it's the same thing here, except replace PC with Xbox Series X and replace Steam with Xbox.
"you want to force XBox player that WANT to play with other platforms to play with your preferred option. "
Except I own an Xbox Series X and I am on the Xbox platform. They aren't playing with someone on a different platform, we are both on Xbox. They are playing against someone with a stronger system, yes, but how is this different between Xbox One and Xbox One X? The X is way stronger than the OG one. Yet no crossplay has to be enabled there.
BTW Microsoft called Xbox One X the next gen as well. So again, next gen =/= new platform. Just a better system.
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I'd be interested in your opinion on this as well, but leaving a response like this does not answer my question and isn't helpful. I'm trying to understand why you're frustrated.
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Because I want to turn off crossplay and I can't. What else do you need to know to understand the situation? Literally every one else that plays DBD can turn it off, I cannot (and from what I heard PS5 cannot, which is also dumb).
Also no other game is requiring crossplay except DBD. Which tells me the devs want to force us all into crossplay eventually, and they are using this new gen consoles to do it. Unless one would like to come in here and explain what the hell is going on, that's all I can believe at this point.
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No there isn't some kind of magic crossplay enabled. Some of these games have not been updated in years. No crossplay. I'm not playing a backwards compatible game either, like I would if it were 360 or OG which are labeled as such. A game I played over 3 years ago on Xbox One runs completely natively on my Series X. IT IS THE SAME PLATFORM.
The only valid answers here are
1) This is a bug and Xbox Series X should be playing with Xbox One/Xbox One X users.
2) BHVR has decided to force players into crossplay and they are using this new gen console shift to do it.
You guys want to turn this into a "well it's not really the same platform" argument need to go out and buy a Series X to try all the stuff I tried. DBD is the ONLY GAME that requires crossplay to play with anyone on Xbox (or anyone at all). Other games, old and new, do not require this.
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Let me describe it
The series X is not a remake of the Xbox One, its actually its own console, hence why its only possible to queue with xbox series X players as the Xbox Series X is not an Xbox One
EDIT: mistake
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AGAIN it is not. If it were this would be the case with at least 1 other game. So far, DBD is the only game where Series X is somehow not the same platform as One/X.
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Sorry but that is just wrong. It doesn’t matter how they word it, it is a new platform that requires some form of crossplay implementation between the different systems (Xbox one and Xbox series x).
it is okay if you are not happy with the way it is implemented. But you can express this better than be so disrespectful.
the way it is currently implemented is working just fine for most of the playerbase, I know this sucks for you but that’s not really BHVRs fault. They don’t really have a reason to change their implementation and they certainly can’t make a different implementation for every single player. And as long as you don’t give a reason, and others have very good reasons why it should stay this way it shouldn’t be changed.
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Before i go into this, can you plese define the phrase "force me into" for me? Because it seems we have a different understanding what that means. But since i am not a native speaker, i might misunderstand it, so, can you please give me your definition?
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Yes it is a different console
Xbox 360 games are playable on the Xbox One right?
Those you can queue with Xbox 360 and Xbox one players due to matchmaking, however for the xbox series x, you didn’t download it as an Xbox One game, but a Series X game.
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I mean, if crossplay is causing this much suffering, the game just isn't worth it, right? I don't mean to sound like those in your last post that were like "uninstall", but you sound extraordinarily upset over something that's supposed to be fun. I mean, you have the brand new Xbox. Go explore some of the amazing graphics that it has to offer. Life's good. :)
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Yes. This.
my biggest problem is this kind of phrasing. There is literally no force involved. It’s like saying ‘BHVR forces me to have stable internet connection to play this game‘.
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The Xbox One and the Xbox X series are not the same platforms. By your definition the people that play games through the Xbox Console Application on Windows PCs are playing on the Xbox platform as well, they are able to play the game through the Xbox branded application after all and might be doing so through the Xbox Ultimate Game pass. Therefore isn't their game also not stamped with the Xbox brand in the same manner? Frankly a case can even be made that people running the game on Windows 10 are using a Microsoft branded machine, Xbox is a Microsoft product... so they should also be included in the Microsoft owned platform? Steam and the Xbox Console Application version of the game are also considered not the same platform, while they both run on PCs. The new generation Xbox is a new platform in every sense of the word.
The issue you described regarding the game crashing was fixed I believe and they even provided 600,000 BPs as compensation for the down time as it was related to the crossplay implementation. Also by your description it sounds that you are just stuck in seeking for other players on your platform and the game isn't actually crashing any longer. Since you are opting out of the cross-play and it simply sounds like there aren't enough people on your brand new platform that share the same preference as you to create the match, have you tried switching roles? The developers cannot be blamed for having other people not wanting to restrict themselves to a smaller pool of players. They cannot magically generate a playerbase on the Xbox X series or force others on that platform to turn off cross-play. You might just have to come to terms that there is just not enough people that share your preference.
Many people that opt out of crossplay on the Xbox One platform did it due to the performance differences, just adding a more powerful similar to the performance of the machines that they are disabling the feature for would be unfair to them. The developers choose to stay true to those that cared about the performance gap and not magically introduce you with your better machine into the mix. They would endure the rage of those that did just that and maybe those same people when they upgraded didn't turn it off, because now they are on par or even better than most other machines performances.
You can hit that check-box all you want, the game will not match you with the cross-play enabled players and this will result in longer queue times. Whether that is minutes, hours, days is all dependent on other players choosing the same option. Nobody is forcing you to change your preference and they are not going to force others to play under your preference either as that would negatively impact theirs. Simply if you join the lobby where you would be placed with some Xbox X series with crossplay and a spot would be empty, even if they had someone available cross platform for it, the mere fact that you were in the lobby would prevent them from filling it and would increase the queue times of the others... just because of you and that isn't fair towards them, as they choose to have the quickest queue times by telling the devs to fill it up with anyone willing to play with them. You don't get a pedestal treatment because you refuse to play with others and you are even not even capable to share the reasoning behind it because you know that it doesn't have merit? You want to place restrictions of who can join your lobbies, then you will have less people available to play with and that could result in that not enough people want to play under those same restrictions?
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As we've already had this argument on the forum, I'm going to lock this here as everything was said previously.
This is a separate platform from Xbox one, which is why crossplay will help you to find matches faster - right now the pool of the Series X is small due to the amount of players PLUS the fact they've probably got crossplay turned on, which will match them with the entire playerbase.
We've said from the very beginning if crossplay is disabled, lobby times will be increased and sadly this is what you are currently finding out as you can only be matched with other players on your platform (series X) that also have crossplay off.
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