Full SWF Bully Squad (Streamers)
I do wonder how much of the toxic survivor gameplay gets more generated by many of the survivor mains that stream that focus on Toxic play. Every Night, there are multiple Streamers that play 6 to 8 hours with friends and just dunk on killer 95% of the night. It is a complete stomping of killer after killer and sometimes thousands of people watch and are greatly entertained as they 4 person escape game after game and bully the killer every game. then if a killer manages to kill 1 or 2 of them, they simply insult them in chat and call the killer toxic for (for breaking up a 5 hour toxic run)
I guess all I'm rambling about as long as people love to watch killers get crushed in streams and it generates thousands of views and people into the game, I don't expect this game to ever change.
Sure, some of the top streamers with 5,000 hours that play killer can crush Survivors all day for some sort of streamer balance, but its always brutal/basic games, and they manage to create huge crowds without having to be go down such toxic paths.
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Damn; did I miss them? I LOVE catching Bully Squads. I'm up to six really good videos destroying such groups. It is what I live for. They think they are going to have some fun, but I demonstrate how things actually work.
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Um, define "bullying", and if you have video examples I'd like to see, because a lot of people call SWF squads "bully squads" and all they're doing is something so benign like coordinating head on plays. Or they're just playing better than the killers and get called a bully squad despite the fact that all they're doing is being better at the game. And of all the big streamers I've watched Ive never seen them go out of their way to flame the killer in postgame chat etc. Even all the survivor mains.
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I keep seeing posts about swf you act like everyone in this game is swf nobody can even play solo anymore because everyone automatically assumes its a swf and camps and tunnels which makes it hard for solo survivor to do anything.
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This right here. I feel what some people think is bullying others think is just gameplay. I want to know what you mean by "bullying", original poster.
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A Bully Squad isn't there to play the game, i.e. repair Generators and get out. They are there to harass the Killer, with the goal of getting him/her to disconnect. To give an example, they will often start making a whole lot of noise on purpose to attract the Killer to one location and then start coordinated blinding and head on attacks. I have some great videos of this stuff. I will probably post one or two, but I have to edit them to blur the names at the end since we can't "name and shame" regardless of how much the people involved deserve it.
Bully Squads are almost always made up of Red Rank and/or Purple (often Red Rank who sandbagged down) so they can pull some easy target from the newer Killers. They aren't actually looking for a real fight.
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Running as a bully squad should be bannable tbh
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I would LOVE to see proof of this. I'm waiting for vids.
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Getting head on constantly and flashlight spam in the process is not the greatest feeling you can have. Yes you can still 4k anyway, but that doesn't show their intention is not trying to make fun of a killer. If the killer is new player, congratz, that killer just get the free ticket to be a masochist
As for op post, yes i did see youtubers or streamers that just want to be toxic against killers. They have the skill, probably, but what they did to show their skill makes me sickened. That's why i don't watch survivor main contents because most of them just want to be toxic to appeal to their audience.
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People can play the game however they want. I watch survivors because I play survivor and I want to learn. I'm not watching because I want to see killers humiliated. I think you might be projecting your own feelings here. Maybe take a break from the game and these toxic streamers if it's such a problem.
Also, I see far more survivor streamers give free hooks and kills to killers than I ever see killers give free escapes to survivors they go against.
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Using the term "bully squad" seriously should be bannable tbh
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Assuming you mean actual "bullies" that go into the match with their primary objective being "lol lets make someone mad", for the same reason griefing videos and "lol I met this gamer kid and trolled them it's funny!" videos get views - many people do find it entertaining so there's a market for it.
Personally I find the use of the word bullying applied to in-match actions to be ridiculous as someone who was bullied a whole lot in my youth, and find it to be applied to people that are just playing in a way someone else dislikes a whole lot. But I also understand that's not an opinion everyone shares.
EDIT: And before someone says I'm defending toxicity or something, I do not approve of genuinely going out of your way to make others mad no matter who does it. But ultimately it's not against any rules on its own as it's impossible to positively identify intent from gameplay, so if they want to do it my opinion is probably irrelevant to them.
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Sorry for the delay. Holiday has me backed up, but I'll edit out the info that "names and shames" and try to have one or two uploaded by Turkey day.
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Keep that same energy for killers.
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I do believe head on is a bully perk I hate it more the DS I had match one time 2 feng min dress a like didn't think much of it and was doing good till there was like 2 or 3 gens left when they start switching between each other with head on stuns when I was chasing them.
love it when people say it just them being better at the game but survivor and killers it like playing different games I sure a lot of survivor don't touch killer other then daily and tome challenges some I'm sure skip them it's not them being better at the game it them playing the easier role.
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It is funny you should mention this. The video I'm going to put up has a Squad where all four have Head On, and they lured the Killer (my gal) to the Killer Shack where there were a bunch of lockers simply so they could start blasting her and then blinding her, etc.
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yea sorry but I feel head on worst then ds sometime mosyly because they can keep on with the stun.
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Survivors with Head on often kill themselves. 9 times of 10 they are safely hidden somewhere but jump out for an unnecessary stun. That perk often really helps the killer due to how those players play.
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And this is where the problem starts. Telling the people who don't enjoy that bullying play style to "take a break"... will rid your player base of decent people. Pretty soon your entire player base is made up of toxic behaviors.
Maybe DBD needs to have a competitive mode and a casual mode. You have to earn your right to get to competitive... and you can't go back to casual.
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"Bully squads" are just SWF players that are better than you.
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There are killer players that do the same thing.
They try and garner viewers by being toxic, and doing everything they can to upset people on stream.
I had one earlier, all he does is literally face camp you after hooking, and if you are saved somehow, he will ignore all other players and tunnel and face camp you until you die, and then move to someone else. 1500+ hours and this is all that person does.
See, imo a survivor can play how they want, a killer can play how they want. If a killer wants to camp or tunnel, or a survivor wants to tbag to get the killer to chase them, or whatever- that's fine. I think that's okay.
What makes these people not good people, and toxic, is that they are doing it for pretty much no other reason other than making someone else's match or day miserable, purely for selfish and malicious reasons. That's what makes it toxic imo.
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Honestly, I think that if you post a video of yourself bullying people on purpose you should get banned, whether you're survivor or killer. We don't need that in the game.
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So you're saying ppl should play the game to hold m1? The funnest part about this game for both sides is teh interactions between killer and surivor. This is why so many survivors like the chase aspect of the game and being near a killer. It's no fun for both sides holding m1 and genrushing.
Look as annoyign as smurfing is for killers, often it's the one game where they don't 4k especially at low ranks, so often i'll say to them just take it and suck it up, sure it's annoying but if you're smart and strategic it'll be a huge learning point for getting better at the game. You don't get better by destroying bad teams, you get better by going against good teams. Matchmaking also plays a huge part in this as many red rank teams get matched with lower ranks quite frequently, so it's not their fault if the killer genuinely cannot catch them.
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It's like those people that think toxic would have the same meaning as salty and the other way around.
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With all due respect, no. This is a lot of hot air aimed at defending a practice which is cowardly. Smurfing and Bully Squads exist because some Players simply lack the spine to play in their own Ranks. They want to beat up on people they know they can curb-stomp. This isn't about making newer Players better. That isn't the purpose of a Bully Squad. They are trying to make the Killer DC. They are impotent, worthless garbage who couldn't take the heat in the Ranks (where they belong) so they are gaming the system so they can beat up on people still (by comparison) learning the game. Sometimes it is done just to produce comical content for Streamers. That is the long and the short of it.
You are effectively defending having 300lbs. Professional Football Players show up to play as Ringers in High School games at full speed. Don't try to spin this as something fun or noble. And lets not make a mistake here, we aren't talking about "accidental" matchmaking. We are talking about design and intent.
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Bully squads and troll streamers do exist. I played against one the other day.
Someone who, camps, tunnels, etc as killer, and forms SWF with the best folks they can get for it, who don't try and win they make it their goal to make the killer DC first and foremost. These are people who are not just "playing how they want" they are doing things with intentional malice, as in deriving enjoyment SPECIFICALLY from ruining other people's game, or even day. That is what they want.
In my books THAT is toxic. A killer for example can camp or tunnel, because they don't know what else to do, because they feel stuck, because it seems like a good choice for them right then- and that is totally fine in my book. We're playing a game to have fun.
If however, your motivation when you go into any match, is not to have fun yourself, but to try and make things miserable for others- do us all a favour and just go play a single player game instead.
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The funny part about these squads is how often they end in a 4k.
Sure, when they get a newer killer they have their fun, I guess.
But I also take great pleasure in facing these squads because they tend to completely ignore gens and play way altruistic. Then they realize you aren't going to fall for in it and they all end up in a pile
I am much more scared of the organized gen jockeys with decent looping skills that keep sprinting away from objectives to give each other time on gennys.
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I mean....they're making content and try to have fun. I don't see something wrong with that. They wanted to have fun with their friends and streamed it. I don't think that being a streamer is the issue here.
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100% agreed.
If I have to choose between Head On using flashlight warriors, or efficient gen jockeys who play it safe... I’ll go for the flashlight warriors every time.
All of the techs they try and pull are just free and easy hits. You learn more and have a much better chance of success in these games, even if you’re a new player.
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If we are talking about "desing and intent", then how is that any different from a decent killer dodging until they get a full console lobby or a bunch of baby-looking survivors?
Look I agree that its dumb when survivors go against lower rankers with a single minded intention of making the killer dc, but there are many higher level players out there who derank because of the amount of sweat lords at red ranks. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with that but there are more reasons as to why survivors smurf than to simply just "bully the killer".
Also I'm pretty sure almost anyone would rather vs a bunch of agressive survivors who may be a bit annoying and tedious as opposed ot a belndette swf with bnp's and who pop all the gens before you even find one.
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When i started out playing killer, i had a 4 man squad, and i couldn´t catch any of them. So They stopped doing gens after 4 were done, and started blinding me with flashlights, if i managed to down one they bodyblocked/dodged my hits and blinded me till i dropped him, or 2 healed him while the 3rd blocked me. And every free action was teabagging. I was a new killer and totally helpless. They did not continue the game and take a win, they stopped playing and came to me, because they knew i could not harm them (that were when 3 rank1 and 1 rank 16 would be matched against a rank 18 killer, like i was at the time). Well, i would consider this bullying. What would you call it?
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I'm glad we agree that Bully Squads, at least, are inappropriate. But while I see where you are coming from about other Players purposely lowering their Rank without ill-intent, it still results in the SAME thing. It puts relative newbies, who should be fighting against other Players equal to their Skill, up against those whom they are not yet prepared to deal with. Their less-malign motivation doesn't mean squat to the relative beginners they proceed to curb-stomp. Do you follow? Those people being taken advantage of are now subject to what YOU would call a Sweat-Lord, because they won't be able to deal with it.
This is a PvP game, where the intent is to match relatively equal Players against one another for the fairest contest possible. Gaming the system to fight people who you know you are better than is no different from me insisting on playing Dodgeball with a bunch of 3rd Graders. It is no fun for them, and cowardly on my part. The proper response to not being able to handle the intensity of playing this game at your own level is to TAKE A BREAK, not go beat up on 3rd Graders.
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Killers do this too, by the way- it's not just an issue with "bully squads". One of the first matches I had when I was new to my PC account+playing with three brand new players (so everyone was brown rank, even though I technically wasn't new to the game myself since I had many hours on the switch version beforehand) was against a PC nurse who just slugged everyone within a minute or two and let them bleed out so that she wouldn't pip. She was brown rank and yet somehow had tier three of every meta nurse perk and was clearly skillful with blinks+understanding of the game.
I occasionally play with yellow/brown rank friends (good at convincing people to buy and play DBD 😈) and while the majority of low rank killers are truly low level players, there is a surprising amount of obvious smurf accounts. I don't mind it myself because I am a red rank playing with baby ranks (no poor intentions but I personally feel no obligation to not to play with my lower rank friends just because I will undoubtedly be better than the killer IF we get someone at their rank [every now and then we get a killer at my rank- which is fine, even as the squad of babies get wiped off the face of the earth LMAO]) but it is definitely something that happens on both sides.
I think the only real solution to this is to change matchmaking somehow. Ranks are helpful for matchmaking, but it definitely isn't the best metric. I think hours played should also affect what level you get matched with, along with rank number. This way, purposely de-ranking will no longer affect matchmaking as heavily.
When higher level players play with lower level players, I also think that the killer level should perhaps be averaged out a bit. I feel bad when I play with another red rank, two green ranks, and then somehow get a yellow rank killer, or even a fresh green rank killer.
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