Those killers that have no counter

the fact that you can choose how a chase will go shows how bs these killers are. Also, where's the fun in that ? Survivors will go down based on their mistakes and killers won't get kills based on THEIR mistakes. Spirit, Deathslinger and ph - they'll take all of you knowledge and throw it in the trash because haha 50/50 mechanic go brrr

DS doesn't counter tunneling. It can only be used once...

Iron will is generally a good perk against all killers. If you can break line of sight, your groans of pain don't give you away.

You don't need a flashlight to deal with hag, but it helps. You can crouch walk over the traps, or make sure the hag is either too far to teleport, animation locked, or is too busy to warrant a teleport, then set off the traps.

Spirit should get her "bug nerf" reverted to finally make her balanced.

Deathslinger is okay for me, he's just Huntress x Legion but give it a penalty.

PH is fine now. I don't have trouble against him personally.

Hag needs an entire rework. Her power is awful to play against, and incredibly boring to use too.

Freddy could use a numbers nerf (slight) and he needs a SEVERE add-on rework. Like dream pallets and similars are fine but slow down add-ons are absolutely op. With his mobility and other slow downs like Ruin and Thana gens are literally impossible to do.

How do you use stealth against Deathslinger without Spine Chill or Premonition? Every Deathslinger under the sun runs M&A and his unique TR effectively reduces his TR because it spins up so quietly. As a result the Deathslinger is probably going to be right on top of you by the time you know he's there.

Similarly, how do you break line of sight against a killer that starts chases from so close? You pretty much need to be running Sprint Burst. Otherwise you basically need him to miss a shot, or you need to use the speed boost from getting hit the first time and hope like hell you're near favorable tiles.

The other killers that can be countered by breaking LoS actually give survivors the opportunity to do this. You can break line of sight against Ghost Face and Myers because they have reduced movement speed while they stalk. You can break line of sight against Huntress because she needs to move slowly to charge her hatchet. You can break line of sight against Nurse because she is slower than survivors without using her power and she has a fatigue state after blinking. Deathslinger is roughly 110% throughout and there's basically no tell he's going to use his power, unlike Nurse or Huntress, who both have to loudly and visibly charge theirs. He just quickscopes.

That's why I put it in quotes. It was meant as a hyperbole to express the mechanical differences.

"You can't play a game being crouched all the time."

Urban Evasion. Or, flashlights. Or, look at the ground and avoid traps.

All of these killers have counterplay. Their counterplay is just different than other killers.

Also people trying to say that Deathslinger has no counterplay are ridiculous. If you see him lining up a shot, or you think he might be, or if he exists, find a way to break LoS. It ain't that hard.

There is a reason why Nurse and Spirit were the all-star killers in the recent DBD tournament against the sweatiest teams ever conceived in this game. They both have the ability to completely rob survivors of any means they have to defend themselves.

Now, people aren't complaining about Nurse here because little to no nurse in queues are actually good enough to make anything lower than optimal SWF's completely hopeless. Nurse is unstoppable with no counterplay at peak performance. But ultimately, it's so rare and 'fair' to the extent that her power can still be read that no one's really going to complain. That and she's pretty much a glitch anyway, you're not even playing DBD anymore vs a nurse, which is fine.

Spirit, on the other hand, barely telegraphs her power and doesn't have nearly as high of a skill cap as nurse. So, any pleb with a headset can wreck teams that aren't that strong (usual solo queue) with minimal effort. This is why people hate her so much, because of just how accessible she is. Freddy is also oppressive, but he doesn't rob you of your chase gameplay even if his kit is asinine. You can still see what Freddy does and do interesting plays to work around his snares. With Spirit? Sure, you can do that on the boosted turds that think she's the only viable killer at high ranks, but any Spirit that has many hours in will NOT be duped by these half-baked suggestions proposed in this forum. She has no counterplay, that's why she's tournament viable, because super SWF's are just that ridiculously strong.

But the game should not be based around people who take a party game way too seriously. Spirit is a problem, and I hope the bug she had comes back.

If you think the sole way to play this game is getting into chases you might genuinely wanna deinstall it and play something else.

Listen. Mad respect for those who take it all in stride.

I have been playing this game since 2017, got to Rank 1 in Survivor, and 8 in Killer. 1,200 + hours. I'm not the greatest in the world, by any means, but I do know what I'm talking about. I have had EXCELLENT matches and I've had BULLSHIT matches. It happens kiddos. That's life. Literally everywhere.

You complain too much.

This game is nerve and instinct.

Certainly, there are tried and true techniques out there that people use, but guess what? This game is about you. Every Killer/Survivor main worked to get where they are, but some scattered few, get ahead of the game because of their natural inclinations to nerve and instinct.

If you don't have it? You need to bust your ass until you get there. Don't want to? Think the game singles you out specifically? Then go away. You're annoying. We don't need you.

Do I get mad at passive aggressive players? Hitting me over and over and over on the hook? Of course I do. I know these keyboard warriors wouldn't do it in person because I'd hook my fingers in their eye socket, so there's that. With that said, it's a game. It's part of the culture. Piece of ######### people are everywhere, kids.

I have won against incredible killers (Every single one), and I've had my ass handed to me. Oh well.

EVERY killer has counters. It's YOUR job to figure it out. Read. Watch. Listen. Learn. Pay ######### attention. I play with people who gripe about this perk and that perk..so what? Get over it. Use your head. We who play this know, once we see the killer, we know what we have to do to succeed.

Will we always make it? No. Do some make it often? Yes. They're using their heads.

Instinct kids. That's an acquired skill.

You want it given to you? Go play something else, we don't do that here.

Not going to hold your hand. You lose because you suck at this, and don't see your checks and counters.

Your whining gets you nowhere. So quit your bitching and go be amazing.

Or ######### off.

I certainly have no problem spotting him when I have line of sight. Most generators have significant obstructions to your vision, though, so the TR is very important for knowing when a killer is nearby. If it's that easy to just spot the tall guy walking to the gen, how is Tinkerer meta?

Ahh yes holding m1 on gens is very fun gameplay. Let's be honest chases are the most fun part of the game and when killers just ignore your loops it is frustrating considering it is why most people play the game. Hag is pretty much uncountable unless you know before hand it's hag or are in a swf bc solo teammates are trash. Deathslinger can just suck you around loops and hit you. Ph can still just fake his power and puts you in the lose/lose scenerio and I don't need to talk about spirit because she's almost universally considered anti-fun

See when I read the title and then the post I thought to myself "I think he meant to say viable"