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How to cure the infectious Kobe disease?
There is a time and place to attempt to Kobe, but it’s now increasingly common for survivors to attempt it just as another survivor has arrived to save them.
I just had a game where Myers was on T3 and I risked my life to go and rescue (only viable option) and the player attempts to Kobe as I got there. Their reasoning once the game had finished was “everyone does it now” this players game IQ was clearly not the best.
Does anyone have any ideas on how to remedy this ever increasing problem, if you only play SWF then please don’t reply!
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I havn't seen that since the first few weeks I've started, and I havn't been seeing many people try to do Kobe's lately.
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"If they try to kobe in front of you, leave them. Teach them a lesson."
Signed, Evan "Not a Killer" Macmillan
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I was gonna say use Monstrous Shrine but you are talking about survivor gameplay
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Leave them when they get on the next hook. You want to just save yourself, get yourself out of it again :D
Or at least wait for a while. Let them feel your pain in their thumb having to tap the button to struggle!
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Just what solos need, another self-inflicted wound. I see this from time to time and cannot understand why it is being done. Only helps the killer.
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Killers don't respect the Kobie anymore anyway. I've only done it twice and both times it was because there was no other way I was getting off the hook, not even in front of the killer and bang right back the come and right back on I go. This is without deliverance or slippery meat.
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Define "respect" in this instance. I can respect something rare by observing it, being impressed, and then getting on with my life.
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My gut instinct is leading towards this, really need everyone to signing from the same hymn sheet though.
My main concern is the damage it can cause to yourself and the rest of the team.
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It is not the end of the world if they attempt to do it and you definitely don't want to let them die because of it that is just wrong and will lose you a game. Even if they do somehow kobe, it is not like you knew they would try to. Just try to go for the save and if they kobe who cares? Besides it can be funny when it does happen.
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I mean the killer knows you did it or saw you do it and they just throw you right back on. I don't ask for a game to be given to me. but at least give me a short reprieve
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Yeah, I've noticed it's becoming common again. I've asked a survivor why they did it when I was coming to save, and they said "you were going rescue me before I went into struggle, so I might as well see if I can get a kobie. " Now if I see a survivor try, I just let them go to struggle and go back to working on my gen.
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really depends on the situation. If the killer is nearby and they try to kobe rather than possibly getting BT then clearly they are not going to be the MVP, so just keep on trucking. If however the killer is nowhere near then sure, I'll get my altruism points for the heal and they can get those coveted survival points
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The same stuff happens when players are in struggle. I've had it happen many times, they have plenty of time left and they let go just as I reach them for the save.
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This would require survivors holding over survivors accountable which we all know won't happen.
The cognitive dissonance and mob mentality makes survivors blame the killer for the misdeeds of their fellow survivor.
Seriously though the amount of threads and end game chats that I see where the killer is blamed for not going easy on them after having either teammates suicide on first hook or DC is mind boggling.
If your teammate DCed THEY SABOTAGED YOUR GAME NOT THE KILLER!
Edit: Same goes for sandbagging and bad hook saves.
If your teammates sandbags you or do bad hook saves blame them for it not the killer whose trying to play like normal.
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It gets me fired up, but I’ve only acted on it once. I ran a good distance to get to them. Killer was clearly chasing someone else far from the hook. Right as I arrive, they try pulling.
I just stopped, stared at them for a bit, and then slowly walked away (half speed) in the direction I came. Sadly, they were rescued by someone else before sacrifice.
Wife has asked me not to do this anymore for fear of malicious hackers. Sigh......
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I mean i just ignore it and save them anyway.
Yes it's rude as hell when they kobe and you went all that way for nothing but i'm not going to throw a game over it. Will think twice if i would save you in the endgame though.
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I think this one is caused by a dissasociation between mind and body where the hookee thinks: "Oh, I'm about to be saved."
And then you run to their other side as they let go, thinking you were there to yoink them straight away.
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Yes. I usually stop and stare at them for a second then leave and let them to keep trying. If they ask you why you didn't save them, tell them "i thought you had it" or "i thought you wanted to get out of the game"
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I'm the kind of petty where I still save them, but leave them to fend for themselves immediately after since they wanna be independent so badly.
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That fact that people get upset by this honestly baffles me, these survivors aren't trying to disrespect your blood line by unhooking themselves. This an innocent attempt at a kobe, if you rush for an unhook when the survivor still have forty-ish seconds on their timer the least you can do is let them try to do the singular thing they can while on the hook. You don't lose anything by being polite, your anger is misplaced.
Also, waiting for a survivor to hit the second stage of the sacrificial process before you unhook them is against the rules. If the hooked survivor records you sitting there letting them die there's a very good chance you're gonna get thrown out the door.
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There was a [recent poll] about this on the forum. About 40% of people see absolutely nothing wrong with this, and while I won't explicitly connect this to 2020 politics (and please, let's leave it here), I'm certainly thinking it :)
I explained my standpoint at length in that thread so I'm not going to rehash it here, but suffice it to say that I feel you, OP. The only thing I can think of to remedy this is to let people who unsuccessfully try to Kobe in your face go into struggle phase before you unhook them. Eventually they will learn not to do it. You could try to message people after the match, but that's often not possible due to crossplay.
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It's not that deep dude lol, it's just wildly inefficient.
You just wasted a teammates time if you waited until they're right at your hook to pull it off. I can understand if they try it shortly after the killer leaves, but most people are just doing it in the faces of other teammates after sitting there idly.
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Especially when I made that trip across the map with the expectation of having my "We're Gonna Live Forever" perk pay off...
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If they're on console FPS drop could have killed them or they screwed up tapping button for struggle.
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You don't lose anything isn't really true. You lose and the bloodpoints and the emblem points if they succesfully kobi'd.
I say if someone gets of objectives to come and save you, the polite thing is to reward them for doing so instead of trying to take it away in their face. No matter what your standpoint on this is. It really shouldn't be surprising why some people get annoyed by this.
It's like showing your puppy a cooked sausage and when he comes over you eat it yourself. it's just rude
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If it's some random surv then meh, but when I'm playing with friends they know that if they kobe in front of me then I am simply not healing them lol they have stopped trying to kobe ever since.
It's a bit rude that I got off my gen to save you and you take that opportunity off my hands for literally no reason but "haha lol 4% go brr". And specially bc I usually run We'll Make It, and unhooking you would have granted me a huge healing speed boost that would have saved us both some time.
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I only play Killer and SWF (I hate solo queue) and I will respond cause of one reason, I can
We do it cause if we kobe’d in front of you, we are quite literally affecting the game the same way in the end of the game as if we didn’t kobe. Because 2 survivors are on gens and the other 2 are at the hook, you changed the game in absolutely NO WAY except one gets more BP than the other
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How is letting someone go into second stage against the rules? it could be more beneficial to the team to try to push for an important gen or totem than it is to preserve 1 additional hook state. I know I would rather my teammates knock out an active devour hope, or get a central gen done, rather than saving me quicker.
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When I'm playing Killer I see it all the time. It boggles my mind because I don't fight anything but Red/Purple Ranks these days. I'm torn between thinking they are just trying to suicide on the first hook or are monumentally stupid. I feel really bad for the other Survivors that work hard to get there and save them only to watch them try to Kobe and get themselves to struggle bus for no good reason. Basically they are giving me a free Mori (with the benefit of a it having another Hook).
Perhaps it is the new Slippery Meat tempting them to this lunacy. I had a Strode I was playing against in Lerys who loaded up with the Offering for more Luck, Up the Ante, Slippery Meat, etc. Clearly they were intending to get themselves off the hook and had faith in that. Me, I think that is a thing of last resort. I just kind of stood there and watched with mild interest as I had nothing better to do (all Generators were up and the gates open). It didn't work. It struck me that had this person been hooked early in the game (rather than late) they would have done the same silly move. Long story short, I have had a LOT of games of late where I only need (2) Hooks to kill most of the Survivors.
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It's a bad habit - and yes if they kobe in front of me after I traveled across the map to save them, then they are on their own for the rest of the game. I won't even bother healing them after or later as they obviously don't need me to assist them. Same goes for those Deliverance turkeys that jump off the hook in your face.
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Except you wasted the time of the guy coming to save you putting him as risk, and he got nothing in return. So he may still be a bit PO'ed about when it comes time you really do need a save.
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Because taking risks in a video game is exciting and fun? And when it does work it's a really good feeling. It's so boring playing by the books all the time, what's life without a little risk?
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For me trying to do what's best for the team is why I play when surviving. Things like wasting the killer's time in chase, sneaky movements to lose em, timely bodyblocks, clutch gens, and safe unhooks and such.
Can't really screw around as killer though, if I really want 3-4 kills. Way too stressful against skilled survs, and cannot boop snoots every match.
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So the first solo queue game I get it again, run from one side of the map to the other to watch the jake attempt it under my nose, he ended up putting himself into the struggle phase. The next game after I witness one random do it to another random.
I think it’s bugging me more than usual because I end up wasting sprint burst.
Ive noticed it always seems to be rank 4 & 5 players doing it, never the higher ranks, only time will tell...
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If you have a problem with it, just let them die, otherwise heal them and move on.
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Had a Felix yesterday who kobed right into the struggle state, I think he doesn't know how much an attempt drains of your bar.
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Exactly, my guess is it’s a bunch of teens who have seen their favorite streamer / YouTuber do it.
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Yeah, it's kind of annoying when this happens. The only real issue is that if you have borrowed time, you won't be able to use it when this occurs. And I guess you miss out on some points.
But is it really that much of an issue? Just deal with it.
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Are we legit mad over people trying to kobe, imagion playing the game to have fun
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If people wanna try to kobe that’s fine, but it shows me they don’t give a ######### about my time or enjoyment so I’ll no longer have any interest in theirs either. Not gonna be mad about it but then they shouldn’t be mad if I don’t heal them, take hits for them or try to save them again either.
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If they didn't respect your time them would try everytime it's. 4% chance if they get it, it's whatever no one is doing it to upset you just wanna role the dice. They didn't waste your time as they wouldn't try if they didn't have someone to unhook them.
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If someone kobes in my face as I’m running in to save them then yeah, they wasted my time.
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They wouldn't have tried if you wasn't there. Chill it's a game let people have fun. Its survivor you don't need to be that efficient
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For those of you defending this practice, let me lay it our for you:
- Attempting to Kobe off the hook is not a plan; it is what you do when the normal plan fails.
- You attempt it when nobody else is coming to save you, or no one can come to save you.
- If you can clearly see people are making the attempt, you milk that time as long as possible.
That's it. If some of you missed the memo or think it is just FUN to try and Kobe off the Hook despite someone clearly coming to get you, please reconsider your rude, selfish action. All you are doing is taking a needless risk and inconveniencing all the other Survivors, particularly those who just invested time (better spent elsewhere) on trying to get you.
Offerings which increase luck and Perks which increase luck and/or attempts to get free are great. Please communicate these pre-game (if you can) and if you decide to attempt this please do so immediately, i.e. before you see other people going out of their way to come get you. That way at least, they can then see you manage it (and not need to waste time) or see you fail and then milk your struggle bus time appropriately before dedicating time (if any) to coming to get you.
Survivors are a 4v1 team, and every choice (good or bad) made by an individual Survivors affects everyone else.
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Do you think I have the power to stop people from attempting kobes or something? They can do what they want, but then so can I, so if they want to attempt to kobe I’ll just leave them to fend for themselves. :)
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It's not an issue unless you have unhook perks, and if you do then they've just gone and hurt themselves by not activating them. Eventually they'll either realise they're being completely idiotic and potentially killing themselves, or they'll (hopefuy) derank out of our hair.
Long story short, let Darwinism do it's thing.
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Fair enough I can't imagine getting salty over someone unhooking themselves though. Try not to take it personally it's a game
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I’m not salty at all, petty revenge against selfish teammates is fun for me!
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Nothing will change until content creators stop doing it. There's a reason they are referred to as influencers.
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