No killer is inherently m1
Yes I said it. If I'm gonna be honest here playing a killer like trapper is fun because you have more opportunity to mindgame instead of letting your power end a chase for you. I digress though. Every killer has a power that helps them in some way. Trapper for example a killer typically seen as "m1" has traps he can use to zone, or end a loop temporarily.
For an "m1" killer that sounds pretty good if you ask me. How about wraith. His cloak and speed while invisible let's him get free first this and can be used for a hit and run playstyle. While it isnt necessarily the strongest it still can get the job done.
My point is no killer is actually just m1 and anyone who says so is objectively wrong. Before the people who say charlotte is. Victor is her power.
Edit: I'm gonna be honest I'm pretty confused I've seen billy is apparently not an m1 killer. M1 killers are killers who cant use their power in chase. I dont think anyone is set on an actual definition.
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Clown is the closest thing to an m1 killer and even he is getting some changes.
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Despite how many are currently playing her, Twins DO in fact have several options as far as strategy. I recently found a way to use them that isn't slugging and camping, and it actually worked WAY BETTER than slugging and camping. So YAY, progress! I need to play with it more, but my only hint is that Charlotte does NOT need Whispers. She has it built in.
As for Killers not being M1, well, ya. Nearly any Killer player could have told you that. All Killers in the game have a playstyle that revolves around mindfully using their power to tip the scales in their favor. They all require nuance. Or Nancy. I require Nancy. Come to me, Nancy.
Well, all of them except Freddy. Half of his abilities are passive, so M1 away. Forgetting to set snares or teleport won't even hurt you that much. Just M1 until it is done.
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I mean he has a power he can use to catch up kinda like blight. He throws and they slow down giving him good time to catch up.
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Spelling error. Even by that definition there arent any m1 killers because every power helps end the chase. Even wraith helps by getting his first hit. That is the first step of ending a chase.
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Im assuming you are using victor at key locations to track survivors right? This is because of his killer instinct. I have heard of that, its effectiveness not really until now.
People like to bring up wraith when it comes to loops and how you cant do anything. Honestly a simple head fake(faking a direction and going the other way) works at filler pallets against most survivors in my experienced. But at every tile like jungle gyms, shacks you can outplay using your own skills.
Freddy is a whole different story he needs a change.
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What's the point of this post?
"No killer is an M1 killer cuz they all have a power"
Well... duh. Killers have powers. If your power isn't something that downs people, you're an m1 killer.
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BingBong is a good boi. I actually find him a lot of fun to play, and he has a surprising wealth of build variety, but I totally get why people want him to get a buff. He's like the frame of a car that you can add anything to in order to make it do different things, but by himself, he's just the frame of a car.
And ya, Victor serves two purposes. Three, really. Initially you can use him to sort of track movement while you go in to put some hurt on Survivors. Score some hits, don't get too bogged down with trying to get a hook from a healthy Survivor. Just pass out Injuries. Use Victor again to run down a Survivor or two. When you get to the first one you want to hook, set Victor up as an alarm while you hook and do your business as Charlotte. The point of Victor becomes to be extra eyes and ears for anyone sneaking around, looking to make a play. Once you have your hooks secured, move Charlotte either to mid-field or around the center of the gens you still have. Use Victor to scout again. Rinse and repeat.
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If their power assists them in some way they arent m1. An m1 killer would be a killer without a power entirely.
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So if we're gonna be that literal, then killers are only actually killers when they mori since the entity does the actual killing.
See how ridiculous that sounds?
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When people talk about M1 killers, they don't mean "someone who can only M1," though even then there's still Wraith. What people mean by "M1 killer" is a killer whose power either isn't something you're gonna be using during every chase (Myers or Oni, for example), isn't very useful to use during chases (Wraith, Pig), or serves as an accessory to your M1 (Clown, Freddy). What these killers all have in common is that they all rely on the same basic means of dealing damage (at least, for the most part. Killers in the first category I mentioned could be seen as M2 killers when they actually are using their powers, though they still spend most of the time during a match as M1 killers).
It's a classification that's most useful when talking about perks. For example, STBFL is great for M1 killers, but not for someone like Billy, Huntress, Nurse, etc. It's also useful when talking about how to go about chases, as killers that don't fall into the category of "M1 killer" typically chase in very different ways from M1 killers, who all chase in relatively similar ways. If you're an M1 killer, you usually have some way to apply pressure to loops or shorten them to some extent, but your goal is still to get the survivor into lunge range as quickly as possible.
Compare this to someone like Huntress, Billy, Nurse, etc. and you'll see why this categorization exists. Compared to these other "M2 killers," M1 killers have relatively similar behavior during chases and benefit from relatively similar perks.
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Legion, Myers, Pallet Freddy and Plague all rely on the basic m1 chase to down people. Though I do agree that people are too lenient with the term m1 killer, it's more about how you have to play in a specific situation than the overall killer themselves.
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m1 killer means if you couldnt press the left mouse button you couldnt get hits/downs. Or are forced to only m1 to get downs for large portions f the game. especially killers almost always down with a basic hit as opposed to a chainsaw, hatchets or that bat that oni has
billy, bubba , huntress ect. arent m1 killers
plague,legion and trapper are m1 killers
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I dont think toy are understanding if they have a power that helps them get there downs they arent m1. That's all I said. Trapper for example has his traps to help cut loops. Even if by their design they are naturally stealthy they are still m1.
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Well by your logic nurse is m1. Her power doesnt technically down the survivors her m1 does all it does is help her catch up.
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So by that logic nurse is m1. Her blinks dont down people.
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Ok this I think this is definetly the best response and I can see where you are coming from however it still does not change my mind because sure the chase is the 1v1 interaction and tis important you forgot about the 1v4.
Look just because their power may not the best anti loop if can pressure 4 opponents well like pig, who puts the survivors in a position to delay gen plps for the traps or risk it exploding you can rely on the killers skill to win the game alongside their power.
Trapper is technically anti loop if you have his trap at all times, wriath becomes 1v4z clown and freddy still anti loop, etc. But you do you understand?
I just dislike this m1 killer term because people use it to make a killer seem weak. Ghostface can litterally cancel a chase before it starts by 99 stalking but hes an m1 killer.
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Myers exists my dude
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And a good 99 stalk can stop a chase before it starts.
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You are just arguing semantics and it's not worthwhile. You're trying to apply a literal meaning to a term that isn't meant to be taken literally.
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Plague, Pig, Legion are M1 killers.
Especially Legion because his power doesn't help him during chases. Yeah, you get the first hit but that's it, nothing more. You rely on jukes, mindgames and M1 to down the survivor. Plague as well, you get them injured but that's it, that's basically the first "free hit" you get, then you have to rely on jukes and mindgames to get your survivor down.
And if you catch yourself as Trapper without traps engaging in a chase well then...you're an M1 killer.
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When people talk about a killer being an "M1" killer, they talk about the killer power not actively helping them in a chase/anti-loop. Examples of killers that are NOT m1 killers:
- Nurse
- Spirit
- Freddy (on asleep survivors)
- Death Slinger
- Huntress
- Hag
- Pyramid Head
- Cannibal
Examples of killers who has a power that does not actively help them in a chase are:
- Trapper (Arguable, but requires quite a bit of setup to be useful in a chase and is very unreliable)
- Legion (Sure, they get a single hit, but that's it, they have to m1 after that
- Wraith (Similar to Legion)
- Hillbilly (Arguable, but Chainsaw is hard to use in chase)
- Blight (Power isn't so good in chase, it is good in between loops though and getting around the map)
- Clown (Arguably, if you just drop pallets his power does nothing.)
There are others as well, but this is the general idea.
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You missed Oni, Demo and GF on your list. You make me sick!
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using your power to get to get the speed boost you need to get the m1 is a bit different. while pressing m2 alone wont damage survivors as spirit or nurse its not really comparable to true m1 killers like trapper and myers as you can just appear right behind survivors with no chase potential and with little meaningful counter play from survivors
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Non m1 can end a chase DURING a chase better than an m1 attack only by using a special attack that deals damage.
Basically if you still have to hit M1 to down them it is an M1 killer.
So I am going to disagree that "objectively" all who understand this concept are wrong so you can be "objectively right".
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If someone calls a killer an "M1 killer" then that's the term being used wrong. "M1 killer" works in scenarios, like an Oni at the start of the game is an M1 killer, a Trapper at the start of the game or away from any traps is an M1 Killer etc.
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You've not played the twins when Victor gets stuck in the floor, that shoes how weak no power truly is
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Plague has Corrupt Purge. Pig has Dash. Legion has Feral Frenzy (a true M1 killer wouldn't be able to cause damage with their power directly, such as Wraith or Myers.
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Ah, so you agree with me. :)
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Idk blight, clown, billy and trapper mains will beg to differ. Just look at the otzdarva trap mindgames at pallets.
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Michael would like a word with you. And ghostface.
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Plague is the definition of an m1 killer imo.
Without using her 1 free fountain, once everyone is sick all you can do is m1. m2 does nothing for you at that point. Yes it makes them easier to down but you're doing nothing but m1ing them.
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I'm getting confused now. So nurse isn't M1 but blight is? And people are saying hillbilly is?
If the definition is "not able to get a down with M2" then nurse, spirit, blight and Oni are M1 killers right? And trapper with honing stone or legion with Frank's mixtape (lol) technically aren't?
Or if it's having a power that helps you in a chase that's almost all killers, although the extent varies a lot
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That's a bug not a fair assessment.
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Yeah that's fair because kni doesn't have blood fury. He doesnt have his power. Trapper with a bag isnt m1 though because ge starts with traps. Which can then be used during chase.
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So nurse is an m1 killer then lol. You press m2 to blink and m1 to down. Like all the m1 killers.
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problem is M1 standard killers either end chases at a normal time or the survivor bests you in the mind game and you lose time, with no power to help you in a chase that survivor can continue to outplay you and make chase's last too long, it's why legion is considered worse than most killers even tho he can injure multiple survivors in succession.
killers either need to have a chase based power or a power that can be phenomenal in another area or a mix of both like blight or pig. However unless the power is truly good at doing something to hinder survivors greatly besides quickly downing them it is usually not very strong. It's why I personally don't like the twins because if survivors don't play well victor becomes a chase based power but if they do he becomes a injure/info power like legion but worse. That's why this killer isn't good, they can only perform well when the survivors allow it.
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That's still weaving in very impactful M2s during the chase. There's tons of killers who basically only have the element of surprise, or they get a free damage state and then have to M1 to actually get a down.
I'd say the most pure M1 killers are Myers, Ghostface, and Wraith. If there are a few spine chills or the map is wide open? They have nothing at all.
Legion is pretty much just M1 as well.
Clown without add-ons to pump up his bottles is basically M1 since they hardly do anything and he runs out of them very quickly.
Pig's M2 is completely useless at many loops so she is M1 in many situations.
Plague is M1 if survivors don't cleanse.
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First I want to say a jungle gym has meaningful co uh interplay it's an eequal opportunity to outplay for both sides. Myers can be 99 and pop while close to end a chase instantly. Trapper however can use traps to zone or end a loop so still.
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That's what I'm thinking ima edit my post really quick it seems no one is quite sure what the definition is.
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Actually it's trapper, his power is situational so unless a survivor goes into a trap your just a m1 killer through and through. It's not realistic to expect every or even most of your chases to result in a survivor going into a trap.
plagues power makes everyone injured and easy to find not to mention she is a power house if she uses corrupt purge. while she does have to m1 survivors still that applies to other killers as well but plagues power is helping you in a chase by keeping everyone injured and easy to find.
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An M1 killer means:
you use M1 to get hits. This usually comes along with an inability to do much more in chase than loop around objects without a way to prevent that, but this is not a part of the definition.
That's all. Hag is M1 unless she makes the majority of her hits through traps (a different scoring event). Wraith is M1 unless the majority of his hits are through the stealth attack scoring event.
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so? whats ur point?
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