Twins = slugging

@keygun

So for some reason you seem to think balance is bad?

I don’t even wanna know. Peace out.

@keygun

Maybe refrain from putting words into peoples mouth and they might take you serious.

You don’t even know what I want nor what is being discussed in this discussion considering your response.

see your way out.

Lol.

Seriously, you did the same thing assuming I don't want balance.

I never said balance was bad, I'm just pointing out that 1 killer needs enough power to face 4 survivors.

Also, it's in the title of the game.

Quit being disrespectful.

Disrespectful comments like "see your way out" as if you actually made a point or added anything to the argument.

Your opinion is that slugging isn't balanced?

That's your opinion.

But as a killer, you have full free reign over how you decide to kill.

It's not even an issue of balance tho, you just don't like being slugged.

What are you doing to change that?

Are you bringing ub or other anti slug perks that I can't remember the names of?

Or are you just calling something "unbalanced" because it doesn't fit your personal play style?

I'm trying to add to the convo, you're just being angry.

Unbreakable meta confirmed? Yeah, it's annoying, it's like 80%+ of my games against Twins, slug contest.

See, thing is, you're still not engaging with what I'm saying. Your counterargument to what I'm saying about balance issues is "well, I have fun and think it's fine, so there!" That's fine, you're entitled to your opinion, but don't claim that you're making "counterarguments" or advancing the discourse, because you're really not. I'm not trying to be flippant, and I'm not trying to insult anyone; you're the one who replied to me with a wall of text and basically said (whatever you claim) that I should "leave the game if I'm so bored" which you'll note is something I never said. It's like you're arguing with some alternate reality version of me that's saying all these things that I haven't said (strawman, anyone?)

You don't need to spend a paragraph rehashing what I said about the pointlessness of arguing with someone who has a completely opposing and entrenched viewpoint in the absence of any hard evidence (actually, even in presence of hard evidence people with opposing viewpoints aren't really much better at convincing the other one to change their views).

Have a good day.

I was the one saying slugging takes more time to kill than a hook, and it IS, you wanting or not, a downside.

And NO, it is not "FREE", it is a trade of, you don't hook, that is the way the game gives killer points and emblem, in trade of not losing the time it takes to grab a survivor, take him to the hook, and the hook animation.

What you don't understand is that the killer doesn't want to slug, he needs to. No one killer is going to a match thinking "Oh, it will be so fun just leave survivors on the ground", the killers want their points and emblems too, but if they always keep being inefficient they will just lose.

You think that the solution is nerfing slugging, what is in itself *NERFING THE KILLERS*, AGAIN!

The better solution would be BUFF the killers in general. there are a lot of ways of doing it, pick one: Nerfing gen speed, Speeding killers pick up time animation and hooking animation, buffing killers mov speed while carrying a survivor.

Make something more viable than slugging, instead to nerf the only viable option.

The idea of buffing underperforming perks is good. But you are going in the completly wrong direction, you want to buff survivors even further, while the game is already heavily survivor sided.

Killer slug to save time, since they DON'T have the time to hook survivors and defend gens.

The solution would be Buffing Killers, so they wouldn't NEED to slug, and they wouldn't feel like they need to camp/tunnel. Or nerfing survivors, a gen speed nerf would take a lot of presure on the killer side.

If you keep Buffing survivors the Killers will feel like the only way they can win is using the most broken killers, addons and tatics that they can find. The weaker Killers will be seen less and less, since they will not just be destroyed, but they will be humiliated by toxic survivors.

I know that you meant to nerf the twins by changing something else, the idea is the right one, but what to change is the wrong thing.

Billions? really? Killers have only 2 realiable perks, pop and ruin/undying, if they had more it wouldn't be the choice almost every match.

Gen rushing is not a thing, that is the only thing survivors HAVE to do.

Gen speeds are the thing that is causing all the unfun things that survivors complain. If the Killers had more time to do stuff they wouldn't need to tunnel and slugg. They have to be efficient if they want to win.

Perks that you say that actually regress the gen: POP,Ruin,

Perks that you say that doesn't regress the gen: Undying, Corrupt, D. L., Thrilling, Discordance (REALLY?), Surveillance (again, REALLY?), Tinkerer.

Killers need more perks that actually regress the gens. As strong as Ruin and POP.

As many pointed out in the PTB, switching back and forth between characters and moving two characters doesn't work in the context of a trial. For a simple example, you land an M1 hit:

With Blight, you perform a rush attack for a quick follow up and down them, then hook them.

With the Twins, you deploy Victor (because Charlotte does nothing of note), regain the distance you lost, hopefully down them on the first pounce, switch back to Charlotte, wait 3 seconds for her to wind up, then walk over to the downed survivor to pick them up and hook them. That's such a ridiculously inefficient process to do the same exact thing as any other killer.

So what's the workaround for the Twins? Proxy hooks with Victor, slug off the hook, latch onto the healthy survivor, and create a snowball. The only way to even approach baseline efficiency with this killer is to employ a super unfun playstyle. Again, experienced killers were shouting this from the rooftops during the PTB. It was obvious from the outset.

They put so many restrictions on what the killer can do that they essentially pigeonholed them into a playstyle. I can't summon Charlotte to downed survivors, so the most efficient thing is often to get multiple slugs going or risk losing my pressure entirely. I can't recall Victor on demand, so I need to leave him around places I know for a fact survivors will go, like hooks. I can't save Victor for loops all that well, because Charlotte takes a year to activate.

It's not what I'm saying at all, we need a variety of perks to choose, and viable regression perks are lacking, we need more or else every match will have or pop or ruin/undying when the killers can afford the perks, some killers will take both.

The thing is, we have a lot of perks that slow the game down, but they do it in different ways than actually regressing the gens, and the ones that actually regress gens are meta for a reason, we need more of those.

just comparing something that YOU said is unfun for survs but was taken out, and something that is unfun for the killers and still here.

Mate, you you want to be petty it won't go anywhere, you have no argument, and are trying to be banal. I'm done.

You need to improve your interpretation, I'm been saying that we need more options, and you keep making excuses.

Don't talk about bias, you are being hypocritical.

Having more slow down perks doesn't mean they will all be used together. Is like assuming survivors will build a 4 healing perks build. It doesn't even mean that they will have synergy, like most survivors healing perks already don't have, and both the regress gen perk already doesn't have.

When I said that there is unfun things that killer has to face, you just shrugged off, there will always be unfun things to play against.

Actually read this time, please.

So why did you start talking about unfun things that survivor had to face.

You keep changing the subject, then just says that doesn't matter. You clearly don't know what you are talking about or even how to make an argument, you just keep throwing things without context and when it gets nowhere you just says that it isn't relevant.

Mate, just stop.

Slugging is a bloody common 'tactic' on red ranks, to the point that I think these people are in some saw-style trap that'll drive spikes into their throats or something if they don'T get a 4k in under 5 min or something.

Red Ranks.... say banana if you're life *is* in danger should you play non-scummy...

What a toxic and selfish answer. This game has two sides that are equally important to this game. You are clearly part of the toxicity problem that dbd has.