Unpopular opinion: Killers are more scummy than the average survivor.
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This is the problem I brought up in another thread.
It is not your responsibility to ensure the other side has fun in a versus game. That's not how things work.
I would rather a Killer try as hard as he can the entire match rather than lower his power level to make sure I have "fun."
It's disingenuous and insults my skills as a player.
This applies to every single game I've ever played, and holds extremely true to fighting games.
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Yet the very same people who do the whole ''play how you want'' or ''It's not your responsibility to care for the other side'' are the exact same people who go on to complain about one role acting like a dick.
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This is exactly how things are. That's also why I get swarms of hate messages from survivors. But hardly ever from killer. The dumb responses to this post is unbelievable.
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Yes, you are exactly right. This is 100% true, coming from somebody who plays both sides
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Uh no they aren't?
You got any evidence to back that up or you just saying that cause you disagree?
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It's obviously just my word, but I've seen both roles over the past year complain about the other side acting like a dick, even though they have the idea of ''Well they can do whatever they want as long as it isn't cheating.''
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Logic suggests that if you play like a douche as survivor you will also play like a douche as killer.
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I don't think these things are one and the same. You can play like a scumbag, but as long as it's within the rules of the game, it's completely fair and isn't worth getting mad about.
That's just how some people play. And that futher drives home the point it isn't their responsibility to make sure you have fun.
You can dislike how someone plays all you want. That doesn't change what I said. It isn't their responsibility.
I can hate people using the noob combo in Halo all I want, that doesn't change the fact it's fair game and anyone can do it. The goal is to win, not to make sure your opponent is having fun.
Losing isn't supposed to be fun. It CAN be fun, but it isn't meant to be. It's meant to illicit negative feelings. That's how game design works.
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I don't follow this at all. If I understand what you are saying (and I'm not sure I do), this has not been my experience. People (like me) don't complain about either role. You can go back through my entire post history and you won't find me talking about annoying Survivor or Killer builds, complaining about certain tactics, or saying I think the other side needs to cater to me. The only thing you will ever hear me talk about is how I don't approve of bad sportsmanship, i.e.
- Cheating (with hacks or lag spikes)
- Disconnecting during the game.
- Being a poor winner or sore loser.
Those things are role specific. These are the only behaviors I don't like and comment on. Legal, valid tactics in the game don't get me complaining. In fact, I don't know one person who follows the same kind of philosophy as me that reacts the way you describe. Largely, we feel that how people do their builds and/or how hard they choose to play is none of our business. In fact, you and I are having that talk right now. The only one of us concerned with how other people play is YOU.
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Well, I'm not sorry, you're not sorry.
But in all seriousness, be like me: pick a killer, bring the secret shroud offerings, slug survivors and if possible make a pile, then pick one so he can help others and let them all go.
While you all test survivors' dexterity and endurance, I test their willpower....those who don't DC in fear of a Mori get rewards. My killer doesn't rank up, but in return I teach new survivors not to DC.
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You.
I like you.
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I am going to say yes and no, I come across way more toxic, 'scummy' killers than survivors. But there are more survivors than killers, so even if the amount of people playing crappy was exactly even that still leaves massively more survivors than killers, who aren't toxic. I would also argue that there are way more ways for a killer to grief survivors than the other way around. Survivors are generally less likely to be toxic in game but way more likely to be fiery in the post-game chat.
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Define scummy.
From what I usually see playing both roles it seems pretty even to me. If by scummy you mean using whatever is necessary to win, even if something is considered being sweaty, etc I see it all day long playing as killer and as survivor as well. When I play killer I see keys and offerings to find easier hatch everyday at least 2-3 times, around 2-3 times I see mori's from killers as well, most people using meta perks as well from both sides and from stats you will notice the only difference between the two is that there is more variety for killers because of their characteristics, as for survivors: DS, BT, DH/SB, and the ones that change like self-care/unbreakable/etc is always there more than once. Now is the same for undying and ruin, and undying they made to correct the fact totems are not very well designed.
I think what you might be experiencing it's from playing too much one single role, trying taking both and you will notice it's the same both ways. It's terrible to be camped and tunneled for sure, but so is the frustration for average killers, which makes them think the only way to win is doing that. There is no way to correct that, but to think of other ways to prevent camping/tunneling that doesn't simply involve perks and specific killers (like Freddy/Piramid).
Most killers think they are entittled to 3k-4k every match and survivors, to escape every match, there is no two ways about it. What you can do is ballance the game, you can't change people.
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Mnhhh....
well, of all the matches I had 2 people do nothing but facecamp as killer, other than that everyone was remarkably generous, not tunneling even when it would have worked well for them to do so.
I played the same amount of survivor games and only had 1 match with toxic survivors who were doing all that nonsense and harrassing me in the post game- however that is FOUR survivors to 2 killers, double the number but in ONE game.
I also saw however, the thing people forget, is survivor on survivor toxicity. I see survivors hook farm each other, sandbag people, and rage quit or AFK and leave their team to die, sometimes leaving them to die on hook while they search chests or some nonsense hoping to just take an item and hatch. I see these FAR more often than either survivors being toxic to a killer or a toxic killer.
But that is just me, as someone who plays both.
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