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Ungrateful & Stupid

Moundshroud
Moundshroud Member Posts: 4,458
edited December 2020 in General Discussions

So, I want to address something that comes up very often, but is always framed wrong. I'm talking about Salty, bad sports. Far too often, this is cast as if it is an "us versus them" situation with SOME people making rather biased and incorrect arguments that Survivors are more toxic, sweaty, rude, obnoxious, etc. OTHER people make the same silly arguments about Killers. I think this is all a false narrative. Survivor and Killer are just roles in the game, and very few people (really) don't play both. We have to look at bad sports as PLAYERS, no more and no less.

The biggest issue is, sadly, that a lot of people are stupid. I wish there was a nicer way to say it. People are self-involved, biased, and have a nasty penchant of ignoring everything but whatever they want at that particular moment. I'm going to give you an example from a game I just played. It kind of puts it all into context.

LOCATION: Crotus Prenn

KILLER: The Doc.

I'm playing Jake, with the LA Gangbanger look (not the club one... the streets). My build is Deliverance, Calm Spirit, Self-Care, & Spine Chill. This means I'm in a pretty good position. Most Doc players rely on making people scream to scout an area lightly before moving on. I know, already, that I'm going to be in great shape for banging out Generators and making rescues.

During the course of the game, I brought two Generators up myself, and helped with a 3rd. I unhooked two Survivors, and healed them. I destroyed Totems. I ran the Killer. Nobody had died so far. The Gates were powered, and I STILL had Deliverance on tap if I needed it. Here is where it gets funny.

One of the other three Survivors goes down. I can see his friend is heading to him. The Doc is headed toward one of the gates where a Nea is standing strong to open it. I realize that I can charge the Doc and help the Nea get out, and keep him on this side of the map. This will allow the other one to do the rescue and they can go out the other gate. Even if I go down, the Doc will take off and I will just jump off the hook and get out the gate that is open right there (thanks Nea).

I don't end up having to use Deliverance. The gate gets opened. The Nea and I tangle him a bit and I can see the others are going to be fine, so we let the Doc run us out. So all four escape! I give a GG to all, Killer too. Then one of the other Survivors lays into me saying I'm a TERRIBLE teammate, and the Killer was just a tunneler. I was puzzled. I asked him, somewhat tongue in cheek, "are you dead?" He answers, "NO because of my FRIENDS saved me." I was going to explain to him HOW the game is played and HOW I got him out alive tactically, but it really wasn't worth it. So I pointed out that I had brought 3 Generators up, saved his friends (who saved him), and asked him if I should have done all (5) Generators for him?

Apparently, to this Survivor it looked like I was running away from him when he went down. Technically that is true as I could see the other person would get him, and I was charging the Doc. But he apparently couldn't add 1+1=2. He was just stupid. I felt like pointing out that IF the Killer had been tunneling, there is no way all FOUR of us would have gotten out. That would have made the Killer awful at tunneling. :) So, why am I telling you this anecdote? It isn't to point out that Survivors are worse that Killers. They are not; there are just more of them so by sheer numbers we will see MORE of them making fools of themselves. It is to point out that the nature of bad sportsmanship isn't logical. It is spoiled; it is ignorant. It is a tantrum and a lack of manners. It doesn't have anything to do with reality. This guy got out alive (as did everyone else) and didn't carry much of the weight. And yet, his only reaction wasn't GG or Thanks or just to hold his tongue. He had to make noise. He mattered, and DARN IT, we were going to know he mattered. Screaming little children, nothing more.

Comments

  • BubbaMain64
    BubbaMain64 Member Posts: 546

    Who cares? Ignore the toxicity.

  • Moundshroud
    Moundshroud Member Posts: 4,458

    I do mostly, but I think this stuff is bad for the community. We lose a lot of Players who seek greener pastures, and that is a shame. While some of us are jaded or have thicker skins, many good sports and potentially good players just don't want to deal with this garbage at all. We lose them because of it. I don't like that. I've seen some good posts where people point out that it might be a good idea to get some distance and perspective before speaking. It is that old saying, "it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt." I just have to wonder, and perhaps this is getting old syndrome, about how ethics and good sportsmanship is taught today, or if it is taught at all. Am I just some antique who wants to say dumb things like:

    "Back when I was a boy I had to walk through snow storms, uphill to school and back BOTH ways!"

    I'm not trying to look at things through false, rosy-colored glasses of nostalgia. But I am concerned that ethics and good sportsmanship aren't really leaned into anymore. Manners cost nothing, and yet people don't seem to want to use them.

  • BubbaMain64
    BubbaMain64 Member Posts: 546

    That's just the internet. There's no reason to use manners because you're probably not going to meet that person again. I'm not saying it's right, but this is the reason many people are so ######### online.

  • Squirrel_Thicc
    Squirrel_Thicc Member Posts: 2,677

    Can you give me a tldr? I don't wanna read all that.