General Discussions
General Discussions
Killers that can go addonless
Want people's opinion on killers that can go addonless and still take on a swf in a balanced map
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pfftt
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Nurse, maybe Huntress, Pyramid Head. Oni probably could. A good Blight.
Uh... Maybe a Hag too, but that's a hard maybe. And maybe Billy. I think that's it. I may be forgetting someone. Edit: I forgot about Spirit. Fredy too, probably.
Deathslinger, for all the hate he gets, couldn't due to his lack of map pressure (imo). And neither could anyone else, since they rely on Add-Ons way too much (Wraith, Myers) or maybe they have a solid power, but have zero map pressure (Bubba, Deathslinger.)
I don't know about the Twins, I haven't seen them enough but their main power seems to be slugging and camping, so... Maybe?
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I would say Nurse,Blight,Hag,Freddy,Oni,Pyramid Head,Spirit,Huntress
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I've done it as Twins and Ghostface, but I practiced Ghostface a lot beforehand and Twins are new to survivors
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I learned alot of the killers so I can add my opinion onto this
Billy, Pyramid Head, Nurse, Huntress, a good Hag, Spirit, and Freddy
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I predominately play without addons, I'm stingy like that, I'd say I break even in terms of kills.
That's with pretty much all killers.
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depends on the severity of the swf, 1/5 scale
1 decent swf who play for fun but aren't way to experienced
2 newer swf, they have decent hours and decent communication but not quite the skills to keep up
3 group of friends with 1k hours each that try to win but also try to have fun which makes them play slower but more consistant
4 group of friends that try to win every game and are gaining but don't quite have the skills needed to win but can all loop decently for around 30 seconds every chase minimum but have solid communication and coordination to keep you on your toes
5 4 man sweat squad swf, abandon all hope ye who faces them
any killer can do decent against 1-2
most killers stop being good around 3
4-5 are your blight, oni, spirit, nurse games where your killer needs to have tools available that others don't
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Ditto everyone above, but I'd add Pig and Bubba too. I don't use addons for Bubba and win almost every game. Pig's best addon is her brown combat straps. All of her "good" addons buff her Piggy hats, which don't really need buffing.
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I'd say Doctor. All his useful addons do is add more effects to madness. He benefits more from what perks he has than which addons.
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I wouldn't say Hag is just as powerful as Nurse. Nurse will always be the best killer in the game (other than her bugs) and unless they rework her, that will never change. Hag has to set up, Nurse does not. Hag's teleport can be taken away (with Flashlight's), Nurse's cannot. Hag is very powerful, yes, but I feel like good SWF's can still deal with her somewhat.
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Doctor has addons that increase his shock therapy range and outside of the iri king addon his madness addons do have other effects. One of the more powerful ones being the decreased delay on shock therapy. There's also the one that reveals auras of people who go up in madness tier as a counter to calm spirit too.
I wouldn't say it's fair to say doc's useful addons are just more effects to his madness.
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Hag gets full countered by a map lol especially if a swf is on comms it's gg
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Thats fair. My point was moreso he's fine with whatever. Or none. Some killers i hate playing without certain addons. With doctor i dont really care what's equipped. So long as it isnt the ones that change shock to a beam or circle. Eff those ones.
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That's true, but in my near 3 years of playing this game, I have never seen a Nurse get flashlight burned. Hag is definitely good, but again, she only has her web. If you chase in that Web, she's god tier.
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Pretty much everyone
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Fair point.
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Actually, you can Lightburn Nurse, though she can immediately Blink and invalidate your attempt, or just not blink at all.
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Nurse. Spirit. Blight. Huntress. Pyramid Head. Freddy.
But especially Hag. That lady can take on anything even with no perks.
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The Flashlight burn prevents nurse from blinking, iirc. It's not quite as dramatic as burning a wraith out of cloak.
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Where are people getting this idea from that hag is just god tier? I just can't see a killer that gets countered by flashlight and maps being a godly killer Not to mention smart teams won't let her set up and will have someone following her at all times telling the team where the traps are
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Because I took the time to get good with Hag and have absolutely had evenings of perkless, addonless Hag where I absolutely wreck everyone
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Twins can. Their add-ons aren't super good in the first place.
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The lack of Hillbilly being mentioned is concerning to me. A lot of players are really not believers in him. His heat mechanic is not different enough from pre nerf to exclude him from listing as he is definitely amongst the top of addon less killers.
More than Spirit. More than Hag. Both of which their powers are greatly enhanced by addons, and therefore arguably have dependence on them.
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Nurse, blight, hag, spirit, oni, freddy, a good huntress, bubba, billy, deathslinger, pyramid head.
The better ones without addons are hag, spirit, nurse, oni, and freddy.
The top 3(in terms of using no addons): Nurse, spirit, freddy.
Nurse because her power is literally OP. Not complaining though.
Spirit because her power is super strong and addons push her closer to the top.
Freddy because he just has a lot in his base kit.
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I was just playing addonless wraith with meme perks and destroyed some not so good survivors does that mean wraith Is a god tier killer?
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Tell me when you beat multiple SWF teams with clan tags that you recognise and know are good players because you've faced them several times before.
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In theory, any killer can.
No one ever seems to believe me, but I frequently go add on less with Clown in red ranks. I’ll still dominate a lot of the time (not all the time, but a lot). This is because I already know/learnt exactly how to gas pretty much any loop to make it dangerous for a survivor.
A player just needs to feel very familiar with exactly how a power works at base, and practice getting the most out of it.
The benefit of that is add ons will feel so much more powerful afterward, and it opens up more experimentation with add ons you wouldn’t normally use.
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Not Any Killer wrath for example only moves 10% faster without addons and the best way to play him is hit and run but how can you do that moving so slow? And in fact I played against a p3 clown a couple hours ago in solo that was using reload speed he know how to play loops and everything but lost because we just threw every pallet down and my team actually knew how to do gens he killed me on 2nd hook he had got me healing in basement though
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It amazes me how often this “just throw pallet early to beat Clown” pops up.
I haven’t had a game yet where this doesn’t just hurt the survivors when so many are used so early.
There are tonnes of loops, where if a pallet is down, and a survivor continues to loop it to vault it, that Clown can gas in the right spots to get a hit in before the survivor gets to vault it. And it loops where the pallet is too safe for Clown, they can just be gotten rid of. If a survivor does a few of these safe ones in succession, just abandon chase, and pressure someone else. They now have less safe pallets to rely on.
It sounds like you had a Clown that didn’t know how to deal with it, especially seeing as he was using double reload add ons, as Clown should NEVER, or hardly ever need to reload mid chase where faster reload speed matters.
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Addon-less:
- Freddy
- Ghostface
- Pyramid Head
- Bubba
- Nurse
Killers who can get by with a white addon only
- Demogorogon
- Pig
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Eh i never said he was reloading mid chase in fact the only time I saw him reload was at hooks and after a down and to say he is bad to run reload addons is a weak argument I wish I recorded the match because its hard to say if he was playing clown like a god or just being a potato
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Leatherface can go addonless pretty well, based on my time playing him.
90% of the time I just throw on brown addons, and stuff like the Chainsaw File only affects tantrums so it's basically non existant.
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Apologies. I shouldn’t have been so presumptuous having not seen the match.
My point though is that using up pallets early and quickly against a killer has never been an advantage to survivors. Clown isn’t an exception to this, not in my personal experience holding my own against red ranks since the release of Curtain Call chapter.
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Killers that 100% need addons are trapper, wraith, demo, maybe pig, maybe clown. Everyone else is viable without add-ons
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Nurse can be interrupted by the flashlight as well.
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I play every Killer without Add-Ons. Exceptions are Trapper, Wraith and Ghostface, though I am experimenting with Ghostface right now. Maybe he doesn't need them as well.
Trapper at base is horrible, it doesn't feel good. Having only 1 Trap capacity is horrendous.
Wraith at base is to slow while cloaked. Give him green or yellow Windstorm at base and he is perfect.
Ghostface can be alright, but a quicker recovery won't hurt him.
Other than that, I think every other Killer can be played without Add-ons and should be learned without Add-Ons. If you rely on Add-Ons you'll never learn the base power and you'll have to crutch on Add-Ons always.
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Especially because Brutal Strength is common on the clown in red ranks , my clown build is STBFL, Brutal Strength, PGTW, and Corrupt Intervention , if survivors just throw down pallets early brutal strength will make survivors pay by taking most the safe zones away in the first chase or two and then there they are with 3 gens left to repair still but no pallets left to save them
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most killers can play at or near their addon level without addons except:
wraith and trapper
if you arent running addons as wraith or trapper you are going to have a bad time
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Nurse, spirit. Maybe a really good Billy
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I did no add ons for a killers for a while, just to see how they felt. There were only 3 killers I felt significantly worse with, Clown, Wraith and Trapper. All the others felt weaker, but not terribly so, those 3 just felt bad. Trapper without bags, clown without reload speed or extra bottles and wraith without anything really, gave me a much more difficult time.
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from my own and others (streamers) gameplay experience, quite a few are playable without Add Ons.
- Hillbilly
- Nurse
- Huntress
- Hag
- Cannibal
- Nightmare
- Spirit
- Legion
- Oni
- Deathslinger
- Executioner
- Blight
the others i eigther think are Add On dependend or havent seen enough from to know yet.
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I'd say 3000h+ of playing and you should start being pretty consistent with any addonless killer. A few people sell this kind of content on Twitch.
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Almost any killer if you've had practise with them.
Only killers who you would probably need addons or you're goign to have it pretty rough is wraith (movement speed addons), hag (range addons), billy (for engravings and cooldown so you can actually flick) and trapper (for sack).
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Freddy.
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Demo, Oni, Nurse, Huntress, Pyramid Head, Blight, Deathslinger, Bubba, Spirit and Freddy are all killers that don't need add-ons at all imo. Maybe Billy as well once you get used to the overheat.
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If we're talking about average killer's, none.
If we're talking about pro killer mains, then there's a few. Nurse, spirit, huntress, oni.
That's just my opinion tho
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everyone but Trapper and Wraith
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Hag, Spirit, Nurse on almost any map.
Freddy, Huntress, Pyramid-Head, Blight, map dependent.
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I would say :
Pyramid Head : as a PH main i never play him with addon, and when i do, it is only range addon for nurse's calling and sloppy build.
Blight : I play him alot when im bored of PH, and without addon he is pretty cool too, you just need a lil bit of training.
Hag : she's the stronger killer without addon i think.
Freddy : As blight is, he is strong without addon even.
Other killer : i never have played them or they are in my "non playable without addon" category.
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Most killers can be played with no add-ons... but you want something that can match a SWF with no bonuses?
Nope. Not gonna happen.
Even with add-ons, that list is basically just Nurse and Spirit.
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