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Which killer(s) do you think are underestimated in strength?
As someone who mains Bubba and Demogorgon, I firmly believe they are the most underestimated killers in the game.
As for Bubba, people underestimate just how lethal his chainsaw is. You can't loop it anymore since his rework and have to drop the pallet, or you just die. He punishes survivors who stick together and is obviously amazing at patrolling or camping. I think people have yet to realise how strong he is since his rework.
Demogorgon is often seen as a trash killer and I am quite stern on defending this cute boi. He has insane map presence with his portals, that offer awareness of where the survivors are (killer instinct, placed near gens) and can be a slow-down mechanic (12-15 seconds to cleanse a portal) if survivors cleanse. If they do not cleanse, he gets even better mobility, but cleansing can be countered by placing two portals at the gen (one active only) and prioritising defending particular gens. His shred is a strong anti-loop tool, destroys a lot of structures and is only unusable at very circular loops. He has everything a killer needs to be good, but seems to be slept on for some reason?
Thoughts?
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Bubba I absolutely agree with.
Demo I do not. His jack of all trades style means he isn't really good at anything. His Shred is pretty awful on Console and is easily juked. His Portals do offer mobility, but everyone knows when you use them and they are static. He has very little map pressure because of that. He excels at nothing and is painfully meh at everything. In short, I really WANT to like him, but Demo is mediocre and bland, which is painful because it's so cool in the show.
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Absolutely agree with Demo being the most underrated killer in the game. At least on the forums and in some streamer communities he is. Great chase power that shuts down or heavily shortens any open area or long tile, good perk synergy, decent map pressure with the portals which are really just the cherry on top and aren't used all that much. A lot of people on here write off demo as being bad due to a lack of knowledge of the killer, maps, or not putting in a few hours to learn him. He isn't pick up and play like Freddy. Once you know where to use his shred it becomes one of the better chase abilities in the game. A lot of people want to use it at every opportunity when that's not how it works. A lot like the problems people constantly bring up with Blight having "a bad power" that you "can't use anywhere in chases"
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I'm a Legion main...I think I'll just stop there.
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Huntress. People underestimate this killer so much since she's 110% movement speed and to a Survivor that's like free loop city.
Then the survivor starts to realize "Oh crap she's not missing her hatchets and isn't falling for anything" but it's too late.
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Blight. For some reason so many people say he's bad, even going so far as to call him the worst Killer in the game. I genuinely believe that a good Blight is a stronger Killer than a good Spirit.
As a former Demo main, I disagree on Demo. His power does everything, but he only does everything okay. The portals are only okay in mobility and easy to counter, and Shred is only okay as a chase tool compared to stuff like the speargun or Punishment of the Damned. His constant notifications of where he is and what he's doing are also a massive hindrance, and it's VERY easy to W key him.
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I believe almost any killer is underestimated when you chuck a good player to play one of them, especially people who main killers know how to use them well.
Although if I have to say, doc is very underated for me, his antiloop is insanely strong, his terror radious is very misleading, his addons are strong and the ability to find people and chuck them into madness three adds HUGE amounts of pressure.
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Myers he can turn anygame and slug an entire team with a well timed tier 3.
The issues is you will have maybe one or two oppurtunities to do it if you mistime it then your stuck as a default killer which is suboptimum. He definetly feels like a weaker oni but like oni he can turn a game in an instant. The same cant be said of the rest of the rooster that has to accrue pressure gradually.
Note he has trouble piping due to how his power plays espicially with tombstone variants. With regards to ops demogorgon opinion I 100% agreee the shred is powerful and very effective. However his portals are terrible. They were implemented with too many weakness being destructible, gives warning and requires too much prep with the above conditions in mind.
Kinda disappointing the demogorgon visually impressive ability is so lackluster from a gameplay perspective.
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If we're talking about with Add-Ons, Wraith can be a beast. There's nothing funnier than watching a Survivor point and butt-dance at pallet just to freak out as Wraith destroys it in less then a second, or watch them get confused as you use Windstorm speed to block a pallet.
Add-Onless is another story, but maybe his tweaks will change that.
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I'd say Demo, honestly if you can understand the concept right he becoems a godly killer, literally I had a game of SWF with items and pwerful addons and they still got obliterated. IT was kinda funny to see them rant at the end but one of them was downright amazed on how I played as Demo, so i thanked him.
Blight is another, he is one of te best killers when it comes to mobility, and can be lethal in chases. At first I felt regret getting him but now I'm glad I did.
Clown too, although with his newer rework we'll see, hopefully he'll be better, but reason I say Clown is because he has a lot more potential then he's showing
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Myer, Trapper and Clown.
These are my main Killers, and I feel their kit allows to deal with all but the very best teams. This may be an unpopular opinion, though.
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I like it that people often underestimate Wraiths.
For example, those t-bags behind dropped Pallets.
I kid you not, there have been numerous times where they do that, then i get a down at the next upright Pallet, so that t-bag at the dropped Pallet truly counted.
I love it.
Anyway, Wraith without gear? Yeah, underestimate him all you want.
Wraith with good gear? Idk man, might wanna be careful.
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Bubba is definitely underrated. He was a meme for so long that it's burned into people's brains.
How about The Twins? I have to say I vastly underestimated what a good Killer player can do with them. It's been pretty hard to defeat them in solo queue.
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There are a several bubba mains that really play him well. I really dislike that there isn't a visual cue when to continue sawing without looking at that indicator on the bottom left side of the screen, I find it very distracting.
I think a lot of people sleep on Hag and Huntress as well.
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I don't think Bubba is underrated, he has one of the highest kill rates in the game currently. Chili and bamboozle basically turn him unstoppable if you are confident with his saw at loops.
I think clown is pretty underrated, without add-ons he is trash tier. But ether or bleach turn him into a chasing nightmare, and easily one of the strongest 1v1 killers.
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There are a lot of underestimated killers. I am not saying they are top tier but def they're stronger than most people think.
Legion
"If he stabs you, then you can be free since he's going to run away" whether this statement is truth, good legions know when to run away in Feral Frenzy and when it's not a good idea, sometimes the map is awfully big so using the Frenzy just to fast travel on the map sometimes is a waste.
"He's a killer without power", this is wrong, even if deep wound should be more threating, we don't need to underetimate the +10 seconds they need to mend, yes, you can fix gens until the last moment and then mend yourself but... you will need to mend sooner or later.
Pig
"She's a killer with no map pressure" well, you can't pressure maps with them but you can pressure survivors with it, the RBT is a good tool and even if you don't believe it, countless survivors have died because they rush gens and forget to remove them.
Many people believes that since she has her dash attack, she's a stealth killer and whether she may have a stealth aspect, pig shouldn't be played full stealth, like ghostface as an example, you use your 115% to travel the map and when you get closer to an area where there might be survivors, that's the moment when you hide and get ready for an ambush. It's a bad idea to stay crouched all the time with her, and yet many people adopt this strategy with her and tunnel/camp those with RBT because "she's bad".
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How is he not ''good'' at anything? Let's actually look at his powers:
-Demogorgon's portals let you teleport from one side of the map to the other. If you spread them around on the generators, you have access to any part of the map quicker than any other killer, save Freddy. Survivors can cleanse these portals, but it gives the Demogorgon a free 12-15 second slow-down mechanic multiple times a match and it just takes him two seconds to put another down, or teleport to one near the destroyed portal and pressure the survivor(s).
-Demogorgon telling everyone he's teleporting is no different than Oni screaming, Billy revving his chainsaw, Spirit phasing, etc, but people consider them to have immense mobility, which is an unfair difference.
-Shred destroys non-circular structures like shack or windows at jungle gyms. It may be an issue on console, but on PC, it's a power that can easily zone survivors or force them to take a hit.
He has very good mobility and anti-loop potential, people just haven't figured out how to use his power to its full potential, and generally simply listen to the streamers who underestimate him.
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Nah, demo is pretty trash. You can win with him, but you can win with anybody.
Even if you are super on point with the shreds and using rat liver he is mediocre. Mediocre anti-loop, mediocre zoning, mediocre map pressure. Anything he can do, other killers do far better. You can hardly afford to use the portals until the game is practically won.
He is fun to play at least, and has good chase music.
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The other day, I decided to just say screw it and ran a slug build with Scratched Mirror Meyers. Went better than expected. Got Lery's. Highest bps on the survivors was 5000.
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I can say from personal observation by the way Survivors behave in my matches that many Survivors underestimate Clown. They take a lot of very silly risks that they end up regretting because of how fast that I can down Survivors in a chase.
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Clown easily. His anti loop and zoning is brutal along with a pretty good add on set
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Trapper with the add on to put any Survivor that frees themselves into the dying state can be huge.
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Hands down Mikey. His snowball potential is amazing. I have turned so many matches around with a single tier 3.
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I know I’ve already commented, but again, a Clown that knows what they’re doing is scary and devastating. I’m not inflating my own ego here. Every once in a while I’ll be up against a Clown that isn’t an idiot that just spams bottles, and actually know how to shut down every single escape option, and makes the chase completely hopeless. Clowns like this stomp the survivors. They simply can’t get repairs done fast enough to outpace how frequently Clown is downing people.
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Legion since he can keep survivors injured very easily and if you know what jukes to watch out for then you should never miss your attacks.
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Unless they pre-throw the pallet and hold W across the map while dodging the bottles if they are good.
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Definitely Demo but only when you get good with him, he is one of the hardest killers to get consistent results from but once you understand the ins and outs he can compete with a lot of the stronger killers in the game. I consider myself pretty decent at killers like Huntress or Freddy but I honestly get very similar results out of Demo just because of how much time I've put into him. Demo is kind of like Nurse but with less payoff, it takes a lot of time to get to a point where you can win consistently win with them but the difference between an average Nurse/Demo and a good one is night and day.
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The thing with Demo is that so few seem to actually think about taking advantage of the fact that survivors know you’ve teleported. I don’t hold Shred in high regard, but portals work brilliantly as a trap that tricks survivors into letting their guard down.
If I’m sure survivors are in the area, but can’t actually find them, I’ll place a portal down and teleport to another close by. 9 times out of 10 when immediately returning from where I just teleported from I catch out unprepared survivors that have just come out of hiding on that freshly created portal or a nearby gen.
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Legion, Clown, Wraith.
That said, and I said this in a previous thread about "underrated" Killers, "underrated" can be a very deceptive term. Are these Killers underrated? Yes. Does that mean they don't need buffs? Nah. They can do a bit more than other Killers given the right conditions and the player, but other Killers can accomplish the end goals much faster. There are things they do incredibly well, and may be the only Killer that can do it, but they all still severely falter in other areas which hinders them too much. That DOESN'T mean they can't show off some fancy dance moves, though. They CAN step up and do some wild things.
An easy example of this is Legion. Otz had a match where he injured every Survivor in the game within 30 seconds, and had them on the ground within a minute. Legions ability to pass out stab wounds like candy is what made it possible, though the rest could easily be chalked up to the circumstances being favorable. Still, that is a hell of a scenario when it happens, and Legion is one of the only Killers that can do something like that. Any other game, however, and Legion won't bust out that kind of brutality because it requires all the planets to line up and the sun to be farting in a specific direction.
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I’ve come to friggin hate Legion. Can’t outrun him, can pallet jump, can’t even hide from him. And that’s just without perks. He’s really damned annoying. He’s worse than Leatherface. People say he isn’t overpowered but I kind of disagree.
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Legion. People think all his power is is keeping people injured, and that's a good part of it, but I don't think people quite realize the rest of his power or just how good having everyone 1 shot actually is
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Legion is my go to after losing my 3rd game as trapper lol
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Dude, they get punished for just using their power. It's quite easy to get them to hit a wall and blow their power without getting a hit, and their cool down gives you plenty of time to run away. They're entirely reliant on their build. Perk-less Legion is painful to play.
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No
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OINK
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My baby the pig. I hate that her traps are very limited. I mean At least make it so she has 1 or 2 that she puts on people, and that she has to go to where they were removed to grab them again. I dunno. That or give her something other than the reverse bear traps. I love my baby, but shes overshadowed by other killers hard :c
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I personally think Plague is one of the most underestimated killers in the game. It may be because I'm a former Plague main, but from my experience the only thing holding her back are robbed hits and RNG. If a good Plague gets her fountain in a centralised area? That's a recipe for an uncounterable snowball if I've ever seen one.
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Still, it's a gimmick. If one Survivor has Spine Chill, the whole plan is ruined and it's not something that is likely to win you games. Not saying it can't, but if you have to rely on that, then the rest of his kit must be poor.
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🤣🤣🤣
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Doc
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The Demogorgon.
It might be because I play him way different than anyone else I've seen play him. Did you know that there's no restrictions on placing portals next to generators? I didn't. Now that I do, I roll up to the game with Corrupt Intervention and get active portals all up on the 4 Gens the Survivors can actually work on ASAP. Now they have a no win choice. Seal the portals, eating 12s of their time every time, or leave the portals alone and be visible to me at the push of RClick and (probably) oblivious because they're doing a Gen while sitting on a portal.
Its actually pretty brutal. No idea why I've never seen anyone else do that.
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I’d consider myself a pretty good clown and even without add on he is oppressive in a chase. Sure gen pressure isn’t his strong suit but many other killers struggle with it and perks can more than make up for it. Slap on flask of bleach and a reload add on and it’s easy chases
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I used to think that before, but now I'm not so sure. She was good before, but with the way the game is played now, and the newer killers they've released, her power isn't really a threat at all. And if your fountain spawns in the corner of the map? Welp, you have no chance to use your power anymore unless they cleanse, which they likely won't because good survivors aren't afraid of being constantly injured anymore. Same deal with Myers, their powers were good, but are now outdated and aren't that effective anymore. They're still fine in your average games obviously, any killer is fine at red ranks, but I don't consider them high tier anymore.
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I thought about doing something like that with Demo, but you'd have to TP twice to get them active. Sure it's nice but you could've probably downed a survivor or two in that time and started your pressure that way instead. Suppose if you used Rat Tail + Eleven's Soda/Egg it could be worth it.
Oh and you probably wouldn't even have to hold M2 to know a survivor was near a portal, because Demo makes a unique noise if a survivor is on top of a portal. You would have to hold M2 to know where it was coming from though.
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I've been doing it addonless. It's worked out for me. I wouldn't ever recommend doing that without Corrupt, but I really like playing my killers defensively and having literally every Gen on the map defended by something for the first 2 minutes is worth it to me. In my last game, no Gens got done until Corrupt let go of the 3 it was blocking.
Also... I did not know about the unique noise. I will have to listen for that next time I play him. Thank you for the tip.
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People still sleeping on Miss Piggy
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I think your assessment that bubba is underrated is inaccurate becauae, after the rework, people no longer think of him as weak. Demogorgon is okay, I think he's underrated but not thaaat powerful.
Personally, I think legion and Bing bong boi are very underrated.
Legion is good if you keep a strong 3 gen and have 1 or 2 anti chase perks and a tinkerer/discordance combo
Wealth is good if you use his cloak to cut off survivors path to strong areas. Plus, his speed boost after uncloaking is a lot stronger than people give him credit for. And nobody knows how to mindgame the uncloak. When I roll up on a gen and multiple survivors are on it, I stay hidden while I uncloak and watch them scatter, and go for the one that chose the worst route. If they get wise to that i fake my uncloak to get them to run, but stay cloaked to catch up and cut them off
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True, especially if you combine it with the iri add on that lets traps reset themselves. Once I get all the traps where i want them, I don't have to worry about resetting them. Just focus on chases and try to get them to run into one of my killzones
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Idk, plagues power is strong if you use it right. If a survivor is better than me, I just make sure they get a smidge of infection then drop chase. I keep doing this until there's tons of pools at my disposal or everyone is broken. Then you have 1 hit options no matter what survivors do.
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Oh I know the noise you're talking about. I kept thinking "what the Heck is that?" Now i know what to do when i hear it
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I played a couple of Plague trials last night and the only ones I lost... Well, let's just say they took about 4 minutes for all the gens to pop and everyone was on each others friend's lists. You know the drill, split up and slam the first 3 then gather with Prove Thyself. I wouldn't have bet on me if I were playing Nurse.
Plague has a very, very slow start, but she accelerates faster than anyone but Oni. As for the fountain thing, as I said RNG holds her back.
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