Killers aren't faultless for DS

I was Blight, had Noed, at EGC, David already made early escape.

Able to down a Clau, 2nd hook her. Then chase a Feng, down Feng, last hook her. Noed destroyed. I was at the only opened gate, healthy Dwight tried real hard to take my attention around a pallet loops near the gate, which I did. Took around 15sec for him just to run toward and get a hit then escape.

Then Clau came, EGC is near to the end, she just run toward me, get hit, down. Pick up, DS. She tbag for a full 5sec stun. Then deadhard to the gate.

I saw people do Gen in mid chase in order to get grab instead of get hit.

DS is needed, I think it should be basekit, but not work like how it is.

Ds alone is not the problem..The problem is..They use DS...then they use deadhard..Then another perk and another perk..And then their teamates break a hook and they got the perks that let them wiggle out quicker..And flip-flop and now the one where they can drop pallets while being moved and perks where they can get up If they are in a dying state.

The ammount of "Escape" perks is a tad high and somehow have more verity then other perks. Like how many different ways can you have "I get out faster"..Yet, any perk which a Killer can one shot needs to be a hex or It is op...Even,If It runs on tokens. Just, give me a perk If I get stuns 3 times I can down someone on my next hit

You guys aren't saying please. That's why it isn't working smh

DS is fine. but if 4 survivors runs DC its a massive problem, combined with BT

Higher rank every survivor runs almost DS every time, and it gets annoying real fast. i just play insidious bubba to counter it

My issue today was I down survivor, I hook survivor and another survivor waits for animation to finish to then get save. I go to hit the hook farmer because #########, and then the unhooked body blocks because they have bt active and then they immediately jump into a locker.

this repeated multiple times and one even had a soul guard+unbreakable+bt+ds combo.

this is the kind of stuff people talk about when they talk about fixing infinite chances perks.

But but its your fault. Why didnt you go across the map screaming lalala. Camping tunneling killer main. /s

Ime the way The Killer plays dictates a lot of how the trial will play out. The big issue is that most killers want to circumvent DS, so people bring Unbreakable. The circumvention efforts also results in people wanting to gain utility out of this one-time use perk, so they go out of their way to redeem it. I see it all the time with streamers, the same ones that cry and complain about DS. They openly tunnel, then leave the person slugged on the floor to bypass DS with gusto and if that person were to dare to do something bold like finish a generator or go in a locker or a rescue, the person is up in arms about how outrageous and the nerve of that survivor. If you go out of your way to circumvent DS, don't be surprised when survivors go out of their way to gain usage out of it.

I had some games with the person playing killer proxy camping and tunneling. One was saying it was the survivors fault because no one brought ds. I am still very disgusted from that person when I think about their statement.

DS in its current design is an absolute joke. I shouldn’t be able to hook someone, then leave, have that person get unhooked, I chase someone else and down them, hook them and then go back to that first person, fully healed, down them, and they still have DS. It happens to me at least once a game, it’s an absolute joke. It’s not anti tunnel at all, it’s invulnerability from getting hooked for a minute and ur either stupid or lying if you say otherwise. It shouldn’t be removed from the game but it should deactivate if you interact with a gen or get fully healed. Or it should only activate if the killer is standing within like 26 meters of the hook when you are unhooked. If you actually disagree with either or those suggestions then ur clearly fishing for a way to cheat sucking...

Ok so, I'm going to explain my stance a bit more so sorry (I guess) for the amount of text coming up:

If DS only helped against tunneling then sure. But its way more than that, especially when paired with unbreakable. Its pretty much a do-whatever-you-want free card in its current state and warrants criticism.

At the very least it should only affect tunneling as much as possible. Although I don't personally think we should be punishing anyone for playing the way they should be playing if they want to preform well and tryhard, especially when only one side has the tools to punish that type of play.

Part of the issue is anything that punishes tunneling is also punishing optimal play and the way the game design is encouraging killers to play. The design needs to be changed so tunneling can be addressed without punishing the killer for doing what they should be doing if they want to win, but that's probably not happening.

Alternatively you could give killers a perk that just undoes gen progress just because survivors are focusing gens too hard to level the field a little, but that's also probably not happening.

Other possible ways forward if we want the game to improve is either a mass community movement on both sides to make the game more fun for each other (fat chance) or just nerfing DS and/or its combos (much simpler and more likely).

I don't tunnel in my games, but that's a choice I make in how I play. I'm choosing to play sub-optimal because it prefer another playstyle. The whole principle behind DS is just really unfair to people who do want to try and win more than someone like me. Its really a flaw in the game design and instead of fixing it they just punish the players instead. Then we have people who don't tunnel and still get hit with DS.

The perk needs changes or the game does. DS has been a problem since its creation because they're trying to use it to cover up the bad design of the hook/death mechanic from a player enjoyment perspective in any sort of competitive environment. They should have reworked the system a long time ago imo.

Dont mind me just got off the hook and im pushing this 80% gen here. Whats that your gonna slug me what a jerk its ok ill unbreakable. All of these are one use stop complaining its not like there's 4 survivors are running this set up.

Eat the ds what the worse that could happen not like you restart a chase give your allies time to push gens it basically a second heath state for two perks which might seem bad but its incredible what a good survivor can do with one more health state.

Op would you like a game with my 4 man i want to show you exactly how broken ds is.

DS doesn't buy just "few" seconds. It takes killer roughly 25 seconds to catch you up if you keep running straight line, add additional time hooking etc. If you need to wait 20 minutes just to play survivor there are obviously something wrong with killer side.. just saying

We don't use "deserve" in these forums. It's an unspoken rule. You can't say I didn't deserve a kill, just like I can't say those survivors didn't deserve to escape. But there's Tru3's video and countless others that show little to no mistakes on the killer's part, and they barely were able to squeeze out a kill or 2.

everyone is fine with DS an anti tunneling perk

only survivor mains are fine with 60 seconds of invincibility

the killer absolutely demolishing a team ie 2+ hooks in the same minute and going back to hook the nearest survivor after hooking 2 others should not trigger DS. DS needs deactivation conditions badly we can buff it with all the other things you want like 2 uses, increased time longer stun or whatever but it desperately need to deactivate after the killer hooks another survivor

60 seconds for DS and I'm a survivor main. Granted when playing killer and I'm feeling spiteful I'll slug wait the 1min and hook.

When someone says he's playing perfectly or making no mistake he's legit scamming you. There's no way in hell someone can play a game without a single mistake. And most times many streamers are too arrogant to admit they made mistakes because they need to show off in front of their viewers. He can say that he made less and less serious mistakes than survivors did and yet he lost but saying that he made no mistakes is absolutely disingenous and shows how completely irrelevant all of his claims are.

Personally i would be happy if it deacivated once exit gates are turned on, if they have DS left and doors are open you literally cannot get that person. you get to let them crawl to the exit because most games they are close enough to one of the exits. by the time you down them again.