Can we all admit the Emblem System is a failure?

Devs do have another opinion on the subject when it comes to pipping, simply.
For devs, simply repairing and escaping isn't enough to prove you're worthy of a pip.

I do not fully support the emblem system, has it has its flaws, but :

• You can totally pip decently easily without being altruistic. It's just a choice. I personally very oftenly pip without saving or healing anyone. I usually get no emblem/bronze benevolence (the basis) and it proves enough to pip
• The Gen competition system is a good system. Survivors aren't teammates, they're cooperative that fight also each others for their own survival. In that regards, it also makes people to tryhard to do gens as fast as possible not to get their emblem points "stolen" by others, and it's definitely fine this way, as the original concept isn't "We're all friends, we share everything", but rather "we work together, but the ultimate objective I have is my own escape". Playing solo has no downsides except...
• ... The benevolence, which is quite logical ? If you want to score altruism points, you gotta save your teammates, but it's not necessary to pip still.
• About killers, the pips aren't easier to earn. You can actually safety/eventually even depip by getting 3k, and you can eventually pip by getting 0-1k, depending on how you performed in the round. (And no, @RemoveSWF , looping doesn't give you points in chaser. It's actually the opposite, the SHORTER the chase, the more points you score. If you stay in chases for extended durations, you actually get VERY POOR chaser points, so you're wrong about that. You actually score way more points/the same amount of point by downing a single guy under 15s, and by downing 3 over 300s.)

Overall tho, I ultimately agree with the main point of your thread :
They should consider to BALANCE THE GAME before actually trying to ######### a pseudo-ranking system out of a broken gameplay system and trying to make it fit like if it's gonna solve anything.
Not to mention the ranks are still irrelevant and most people just prefer to stay low ranks anyway since it gives everyone easier games, which is definitely stupid (Aka still no rewards)

P.S.: most of my survivor round rewards look like this :
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1378048491
I usually don't help anyone, eventually leech points from camping killer at times when you can afford it, but ultimately, repairing and being around the killer for a few seconds to get a free bronze evader is not hard to achieve, at all, and is usually enough to pip.

@thesuicidefox I do agree, but for different reasons infact. I find as survivor it is now pathetically too easy to pip, even easier than with bp for pips. I run No Mithers, without DS or exhaustion perks, no items, just bp offerings, and even if I die first I can safety pip at least. Safety pips are rare, depips even rarer. I constantly feel that my team and I played like #########, and I still pip with room to spare. I do agree that bad Killers make it harder, but if a Killer is so bad he can't hook anyone for benevolence, you can definitely make up for it in Evader. Estimate 45 seconds or so in a chase, then lose him. Easy peasy, do that twice and you have iridescent.
Playing as Killer has in fact made it harder to pip than before depending on your playstyle. Now, Killers that tunnel, camp, run NOED and are general asshats can now pip with ease. Basement LeatherFace with 2 kills? near a 2 pip. But if you try and play Killer for fun, keeping in mind that the survivors are actual people(survivors should keep this in mind about the Killer, but that is another topic), then pipping is even more difficult. If you go for fresh hooks and struggle hooks, not focusing down the same guy to kill him, then GateKeeper will be harder because 3 on gens is faster than 2 or 1, you will get bronze or nothing in Devout, and Chaser will be a bit harder because instead of focusing down the weakest link for fast chases, you are taking a chance by chasing the person who just unhooked him, who happens to have 3,000 hours of t bagging under his belt. Also with chaser, people who camp a lot get better scores in it because hitting a survivor near a hook counts as a 2 second or less chase, giving massive points. When playing Killer for fun, you rely on Malicious to carry you, but because of how that is done you cannot get iridescent unless you Kill everyone, 3 hooks each.
Funnily enough, the second Emblems PTB was actually a huge success. It was nearly perfect. just hard enough for survivors so that you could still pip without meta perks as a solo, and just right for Killer where if you played good, you were thoroughly rewarded.
This is a duplicate comment of one I posted on an accidental duplicate thread of this one

@thesuicidefox said:

@Runiver said:
Playing solo has no downsides except...

• ... The benevolence, which is quite logical ? If you want to score altruism points, you gotta save your teammates, but it's not necessary to pip still.

The problem isn't that you are not Benevolent and don't get an emblem. That's logical because you didn't DO anything to earn it. My point is that you can LOSE your Benevolence because a killer camps or a survivor kills themselves on the hook (or worse, runs to the killer after you unhook them). You could be sitting pretty on Iridescent Benevolence while opening the gate, all set for a pip, when the bonehead survivor decides to try and get more Evader points and ends up getting whacked with NOED and hooked before you can actually escape. I can't tell you how many games I leave before the killer gets that hook just because staying will mean I lose my emblem and my pip.

In the previous ranking system I wouldn't have to save the guy either, but I'm also not punished for staying to make an attempt. With emblems I am because if the killer is just that defensive you can't save them and have to just eat those -10 points. In one situation I've pipped and now saving the guy is just me being greedy for BP, which indirectly benefits the killer because I stay in the game. In the other situation I'm just kinda getting screwed for someone ELSE'S mistake in a way I can't recover.

Well, I think that, according to their choice, you possibly sorta "failed" to protect your teammates (even tho it's pretty hard to protect some individuals from their own stupidity), and if you choose to escape while they get hooked (and very possibly still saveable), you possibly deserve that loss of point.
It's discutable, obviously.
Similarly, it's also discutable for a killer to lose points for letting survivors to heal under the hook because you chose not to camp.

The previous system (BP based) was kinda ######### tho. Basically wondering 30s in the realm with a map in hand, doing half a gen and a save was already enough to safety.
I actually had really rare occurence of finding myself to actually depip/safety when I think I earned a pip. Most of the time, when I safety, I'm just thinking like "Yeah, that's true, I should have done X better"
At least in my opinion that is, but yeah, the emblem system isn't perfect. I guess the easier emblems, next patch (tomorrow, or in a few hours depending where you live) will partially fix the issues.

I cant say the emblem system is a failure or not for a very simple reason, I do not care. I figured out a while ago in various games, rankings tell two stories, how good you are and how much you play. I have a bad habit of being ultra competitive when a game first comes out and play a lot and get up in rank. Then I realize how much time I spend, slow down my play time, and my rankings drop dramatically. I did the same with DBD. I know solely play to enjoy myself, and have fun.

its not broken its not its just an odd system that just doesn't work right now but their trying to fix it what was in the ptb was not what we need survivor go to ez i could just not get hit and fix all gens pip ez

I think the emblem system is fine. Just fine. Not great, not horrible, but fine.

I'll admit that it's hard to get Benevolence with so many killers camping. Even if they aren't camping, you have to race other survivors to the hook. It's also hard to get Lightbringer because you have to race your teammates and afk gen rushing is boring af. As an example, I did 1 and 1/2 gens on my own and the other 1 with someone else and opened a gate and still got Silver Lightbringer---despite participating in half of the objectives. Logic???
Evader can be hard if the killer is just bad or heavily focusing on someone else. It seems like you get punished for playing stealthily and escaping unscathed rather than rewarded.
All that being said, it's a huge improvement on the killer side, imo.

Good news is: this is all pointless because they have addressed most of those issues and tweaked the numbers in the upcoming patch and it should help balance out the scoring values, making it a little easier to PIP---especially for survivors. I'm excited about it because I'm tired of seeing a 17k score with a +0 rank...

@thesuicidefox said:

@Zanfer said:
This sounds like more of a personal problem than an overall problem

On the PTB they actually reduced the thresholds significantly, so pipping should be even easier. Personally never had issues for both sides.

LOL Clearly everyone has no issue pipping because you are all so amazing. SMH

You guys miss the point entirely. It's not that I have trouble pipping. I can pip. The problems are that 1) it's incredibly inconsistent with your actual performance in the game, leading to instances where you SHOULD pip but don't; but more importantly 2) playing to pip as survivor IS NOT FUN OR REWARDING.

I want to play less survivor because pipping is frustrating and unfun. And I don't want to play more killer because you still deal with the same BS as before, only now you get a shiney participation trophy at the end. The net gain is that I just want to play the game LESS overall. There is nothing enjoyable about the game anymore.

The point of the thread is that the game's mechanics should be fixed before we get a new ranking system. It honestly doesn't matter how easy it is to pip or what the system actually is, if the game itself is still a broken pile of shhh then none of that matters.

All I got to say is if you are unhappy than just don't play. Playing and feeling not great is not great for your health as an individual.

I think the Emblem system is a step in the right direction for rewarding players for completing meaningful objectives.

Is the system complete and balanced? Not yet, but it's definitely on the right track. Prior to the emblem system, it was trivial to pip as a survivor and at least now it feels like a little bit more work to achieve it and I still frequently pip with the emblem system in place.

Things should be better/easier now for survivor after the Circus update.

@BlondeMegPls said:
I think the problem with the emblem system is that I pip and don't pip in the wrong situations... When I have a game where the killer doesn't down anyone and we all escape, me with, let's say, a gold gen emblem and a iridescent escape; I don't pip!! But since nobody got hooked and there was 1 hit the entire match there's no way for me to pip!!!! Nothing I can do other than meaninglessly try and make the killer chase me... And another thing, the emblem that is supposed to be rewarding stealth? Nonsense. I have so many games where I'm crouched behind rocks keeping unseen by the killer so hard it's not possible to that any harder unless your killer is a rank 20 first time nurse >< and then have got a bronze or silver in that emblem? >< I agree the system is a step in the right direction, but executed pretty poorly tbh...

You shouldn't pip because you only did the generators. Even if that is all you could do it means the killer was not that great and you shouldn't be rewarded for going against a terrible killer...

@Zanfer said:
You shouldn't pip because you only did the generators. Even if that is all you could do it means the killer was not that great and you shouldn't be rewarded for going against a terrible killer...

What's the aim of the game? If a survivor plays perfectly, what happens? They remain undetected by the killer, are never hit and they do gens and escape. Let's imagine all 4 survivors play perfectly, no one hurt, no one to heal. No one pips under this system. Despite playing perfectly and following the aim of the game exactly...