Should tunnelling be punished through pipping?

I think why it happens more in the 10's especially is that at red ranks killers don't necessarily expect insta-rescues, while in those lower rated ranks you often have survivors who understand how to play ok but are not great at decision making. Like they know not to sit around in a bush hiding or run around at random, and that they should be brave and rescue, but aren't quite at the point where they can think about how the killer thinks when rescuing and do things like delay the rescue.

So from the killer perspective at those ranks your expecting an insta-rescue basically every time, and thus will end up with tunneling being the 'correct' play far more often.

At red ranks, survivors are much more clever about making when they rescue very unpredictable, sometimes rescuing 10 seconds in to punish the killer just zooming off to a gen, but usually rescuing more at the 30 to 40 second mark where the killer really can't afford to still be there. So you get some of the benefits of insta-rescues but avoid most of the pitfalls because the killers at those ranks are more conditioned to expect some survivors to be very good at sticking to gens and forcing them away from the hook before they go for the rescue.

You already get "invincible" survivors as it is with rushing the killer when they have BT/DS.

I can't imagine how bad it would get if the recently unhooked survivor could harass the killer at their whim because the killer is either forced to hit them and lose out points or ignore them and try to play around the survivor constantly getting in their way...

Why not grant killers emblems for not tunneling/new chases instead of punishing them for tunneling/chasing 1 survivor until they're dead ?

I feel like rewarding people for "fair" playstyles is healthier than punishing them for "unfair" playstyles.

Again the twins can now counter that strategy by allowing you to be 2 places at once

Even if I choose to tunnel you, there's nothing that says I'm breaking any rules. If I hooked you, someone without BT saved you right in front of me, your tasting the dirt again. I usually go for the rescuer because I suspect BT and DS. If I know the saver doesn't have BT then yes I will down you because I know your not going anywhere. Then I will chase the person who saved you. That way you have to waste UB if you have it or someone else has to drop what they are doing to save you. When I hook the saver, if your still on the ground, I'm putting you back on the hook. It's not cheating, it's not toxic, it's playing killer efficiently. Stop blaming the killer for your bad team mates.

Found it. Located at 17:30.

Specifically their alpha testers felt it was 'weird and bad' and that survivor behavior changed dramatically when they knew the killer wasn't 'allowed' to camp in a way that made the game worse.

Camping is essentially a survivor behavior issue where the survivors are not pressuring the killer appropriately, and it makes sense that mechanical changes that punish the killer for noticing this make the game dumb because it creates a scenario where the killer just... lacks good options.

While there is some merit to that its kinda messed up the system punishes the farmed survivor more than the farming survivor, that isn't the killer's problem. Perhaps there should be an EXTREME emblem penalty for farming a survivor? But that risks 'collateral' damage on survivors who try to do a risky but 'honest' unhook.

Ultimately, however, its bad game design to try to 'sand the edges' off the experience at all costs. We need to evaluate the cost-benefit of hook camping: does the negative experience of being farmed by teammates or killers NEEDING to camp to maintain propper tempo in a round offset the benefits of the interaction of camping? Tests show, no, it doesn't, its vital, and in fact a lot of complaints in the era where devs were putting in completely bonkers anti-tunnel/camp tools (old BT for example, which is possibly the anti-camping tool alluded to in the stream, which funnily enough still ended up distorting the game to the survivors just rushing the hook like madlads) show it actually makes the game really boring for the survivors because there is no tension in getting caught until your third hook. The POSSIBILITY of every chase being your last is critical to avoiding the game becoming an M1 sim.

Lets face it. I have spent the last days really anjoying dbd again. Had a variety of killers, an occasional camp/tunnel but usually a new player who didnt know any better. But after two days of playing, i got back into purple ranks. Rank 5. Do i enjoy it? Nope....Why? cause this is where the spirits main tunnel camp killers are. 10 out of 10 score just now. People arent rush unhooking. Usually when it happens, its a spirit people dont even want to play against (when does she get an outplay?) If people unhook in your face, its cause you never left the hook and as good altruistic people, we survs feel bad to let a person die on their first hook. Even against better judgement and knowing they will probably just be tunnelled too. Its in the nature of people who play survivor to do an unhook and its why the camp strategy is so succesfull. I hardly ever encounter a hardcore farm. Its just killers who never leave the hook or run circles around it. Why bt still not activates in range but in heartbeat, is beyond me. Every ghostface i encounter is in stealth mode close to the hook. So is every wraith. The rest just waits just outside the range to get people that get unhooked. No pressuring gens..just waiting for the unhook. As a survivor, i get a few points for doing gens. I get my majority at once when i escape the trail. Thats apparently worth 5k points at once. I would love behaviour to implement this too for survivors. Give every hook a small amount of points, award 5k points when you do had 10 hooks or more. Also, no points for bleeding on the floor. If the killer didnt pick me up in time cause I lost him, how come i dont get the points for succesfully getting away from the killer but he does, although he didnt even kill me? Only hooks should reward points in my opinion. If i am left bleeding out for 4 minutes on the ground, at least give me the satisfaction that i know i denied the killer the 4k and his points. He couldnt find me, yet he gets points for being bad. I outsmarted him, he gets points....strange things....Bleeding out should never be awarded as a kill for the killer. Only hooks should. When the killer actively killed me

I am still pretty new to the game, but a few times I unintentionally tunneled a survivor simply because they were always where I went. Wasn't on purpose but I won't ignore someone just cause they were just unhooked if they are right in front of me. Also I am not very familiar yet with the survivor names and models, I just see a person and go for them. Would suck if I got pe realized for just doing what I am supposed to do, kill the survivors I see.

No - Stop punishing killers for playing the game

It didn't work for camping

It won't work for tunneling

100 times over it didn't do anything for camping it just makes killers double down on it once they know they're at the point of no return and if anything it made the issue worse.

dezzmont pretty much said everything else that needed to be said about the issue.

Might be your DNS but I did notice the other day a lot of comments from certain people disappeared randomly. Granted I'd not heard of BHVR shadowbanning usually they just blatantly ban people.

But yeah a lot of people just double down with the new penalty system and I feel that's why we shouldn't pursue this system further for punishing killers for taking advantage of the options they have.