Psa for all noed haters:

I agree with your opinion. However, i see it as a strategic option for some people who do not have the experience and skill to decide the game before the last generator is completed.

A change for NOED is, in my opinion, appropriate. You could remove the additional speed or make it a no Hex totem but limit the exposed effect to 2 minutes.

I never use it as a main killer, but I understand that the perk is important for many other players, but not really well balanced for today's game.

I had this deathslinger who chased me the last 4 gens and got me at the end only because of noed, he was playing really poorly but he felt good nodding and facecamping me while my solo q teammates were waiting in the gates instead of looking for the goddamn hex totem and save me. I couldn't even do bones myself, carried my teammates while they did the last 4 gens and the killer gets rewarded anyways.

Agree. Many survivors also escape undeserved and think that they are good players.

NOED is a good perk, especially given that new killer players can be matched with much more experienced survivors and all gens can be done in 5 minutes. With NOED there's at least a chance for an inexperienced or unlucky killer player to turn things around.

That's what Detective's Hunch is for...

The issue with NOED has never been that it has no counter. The problem is that it goes way overboard on the benefits to the killer for what it takes to counter it.

It takes approximately 14~15 seconds to cleanse a totem. There are 5 on a map. The counter to this is to spend 75ish seconds doing nothing but cleansing totems. That's the equivalent of 1 1/4 generators worth of time just cleansing.

Now add in the time to search for the totems on top of that...

Now add in the time that it will take you to escape a chase if the killer spots you while you are looking...

Now add in any wasted time you spent cleansing if the killer finds you mid cleanse...

Even if we are being generous and saying it takes only 10 seconds to go between totems and you dont get chased/interrupted at all, we have now added the equivalent of over two minutes worth of time to the match to counter a perk that you may or may not even know is in play. No other single perk in the game has that kind of power.

Then factor in that it reduces the killers necessary effort by half if the survivors don't cleanse all totems and that if NOED procs it becomes a matter of rng, not skill on how long it lasts.

Should a perk exists that boosts a killer at the most crucial moment? Sure. Adrenaline exists so why not have a killer equivalent. But it's not NOED in it's current form. It needs a rework.

If the boosts stay the same then the NOED totem should be lit and cleansable right from the beginning of the match like any other totem.

One alternative is to remove it from being a hex altogether and make it a perk that you earn stacks on.

NOED; for each different survivor you hook during the match you earn a token up to 2/3/4 tokens. When all generators are repaired, each token gained grants you a 3% speed increase and your basic attack ignores endurance effects (borrowed time, mettle of man, soul guard etc.)

Also whenever a hatch is opened during a match it will immediately shut if it comes within your terror radius.

Something like this would be a bit closer to being a strong boost for killers imo that isn't so obviously a lazy concept such as insta downs only because survivors didn't play a 7gen+ game.

It reflects a combination of strong closing mechanics while being viable for every single killer even ones with natural instadown abilities.

well I think survivors with second chance perks didn't deserve the escapes they get because they weren't skilled enough at the game to use their first chance well enough

does that mean they should suddenly all be changed

The subject of this post was about NOED specifically, not problematic survivor perks with the same issues.

Me thinking there's a problem with NOED doesn't imply I don't think there are problematic survivor perks, because there are and much more of them. Many survivor perks are unhealthy design and need to be changed. That just isn't the topic of this conversation.

Maybe if killers stopped tunelling and camping :D

I used to take the hits for my teammates. Then i stopped. You want to know why? Today i had a game, 1 gen left, all players alive, the killer is hunting one injured and on dead hook. I take the hit, and lure the killer away to the other side of the map, so the last gen can be done. Since all pallets are gone already, and i was forced to take that hit, i cant outrun or juke him, so i go down and get hooked. The killer runs away, is nowhere near the hook, the other 3 survivors just open the gate and leave, leaving me on a hook for helping them. I hate it to play selfish, but a lot of times when i dont, i get really angry because such thinks happen in solo queue time and again. So yes, i wont do it the next couple of games, until i get a game with decent survivors and feel bad for not helping them.

actually thats what dead hard, adrenaline and hope for. And while they only work once of for a short time, the killer can do nothing to prevent them, unlike survivors and noed. Also, dead hard works the whole game, not just at egc.

NOED simply needs tweaking. Statistically it’s balanced, but the issue is more with how the Perk feels and not how effective it is.

Solo Survivors are expected to scour the map to cleanse 5 totems (or find their remains) or else face the wrath of NOED. A Solo Survivor could cleanse 4 totems and still be end up being downed because their team-mates didn’t get the “cleanse bones” memo. And there’s nothing more painful than seeing you team go down one-by-one trying to desperately save you with no plan.

Killers are expected to play with 3 Perks until late-game. Once the last generator is down, the moment they have been waiting for could be taken quickly away with the totem being cleansed a few seconds later. And there’s nothing worse than encountering a SWF team that ensure you NOED never sees the light of day.

Yeah the group that I play with are always running small game since ruin and undying is all too common now.

@Almo

Earning usually means you did something... via an action.

Imagine if survivors were to capitalize on x amount of hooks the killer got in order to get the effect of a perk to proc.

"When the killer has hooked all survivors the survivors now get adrenaline"

The hatch needs to be found, offerings to make it spawn somewhere aside. Plus the killer can close it.

Yeah I'm surprised they still haven't fixed that one, I'm guessing that coldwind is getting the next rework

I don't know about you but I'm not on comms with all my teammates so I can't just automatically know every time a totem gets cleansed, with a totem counter you'd know if someone else has already done them all so you don't have to look for 5 broken totems to know for sure (and it would bridge the gap between swf and solos because swf can already communicate about how many totems have been broken, but solos can't)