Complaints about SWF are nullified by Solo
I’m tired of hearing killers complain about SWF when solo is a joke. I’ve played so many solo matches with horrible teammates who either do little to nothing the whole match or make the dumbest decisions like breaking a hook at the beginning of the match which will clearly alert the killer right away. This stuff even happens at high ranks. Somehow I often manage to do about three gens per match on my own and rescue at a minimum two survivors, only to die in the end because i’m the last survivor and the killer has already closed the hatch.
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So the balance for killer’s who are challenged by bully SWF squads are the matches they play vs uncoordinated (comless) ‘not entirely on the same page’ Solo teams who are easier to get a 3-4K on?
If that’s what you’re saying it’s a interesting take... haven’t seen anyone argue that point here on the forums
Not sure if it’s entirely justified tho, when killers are facing predominantly SWFed up squads more often than Solo teams
there may never be true balance anywhere in this game
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My issue is that not all SWF groups are tryhard / sweat bully squads.
Some are just groups of friends having fun and against a good killer will usually still lose pretty badly lol
I understand killers hating SWF in any way shape or form because of bully squads but that doesn't justify generalizing them all and assuming they're all toxic and guaranteed to win or use keys because that's simply not true.
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The issue is that majority of games will be SWF over a full solo lobby. It's unfortunate when you get "bad" teammates, yet I can guarantee they think the same exact thing about you.
SWF makes this game way too easy for survivors, obviously as a solo player it can be harder to realize this, but even solo you can escape quite often.
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Both killers and solo survivors can be having a bad time. It's not like we have to decide whose experience is definitively worst and only complain about that.
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So what is your point then? Nobody argues with the fact that solo survivor experience is a hellish punishment for sinners. As you said yourself, killers complain about SWF, not about solos. The game against solo survivors and the game against SWFs are two completely different games indeed.
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The thing with this is that you don't often run into good SWFs to begin with. Most survivor players are a joke, even red rank players. It's very rare that I actually run into a survivor that is really good. Most of us in general just aren't that good at this game. Me included. I'm not great, but at least I admit that.
As killer, I think I run into a good survivor 1 in every like 20 survivors, even in SWFs. People generalize way too much. We rarely run into really good survivors, but because we run into 1, it ruins your entire mentality and we tend to think that any acceptable survivor MUST be in a SWF, which doesn't even matter to begin with. SWFs tend to suck most times too. But when you do run into a really good survivor, let me tell you, it definitely is very frustrating. It just rarely happens.
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I mean at the end of the day this is a valid point, some killers will complain all day long about swfs but they'll happily destroy 10 solo q lobbies and casuals beforehand.
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Yes, but not all killers that used moris whould tunnel and kill a survivor of the first hook.
Yet, moris needed to change because of the people that did. And the same is true for swf.
@OT the pointis not that swf is somehow balanced by the existence of solos, but rather that you cant balance the game for solos AND swf in the same mode. If they were seperated or gone, you could balance the game, but you cant balance for matches with such high power differences. IF you make it fair for solos, killers get stomped by swf, if you make if fair for killers vs swf, solos can as well stop playing.
At the moment, there is a kind of middle ground, where the killer can win vs bad swf and get stomped by the good ones, as well as good solos stomping bad killers that win vs the team with the hook suicider. But that leads to matches that are just not winnable from the start for killers and/or solos.
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It wouldn't be a terrible experience if
A) The SWF was the same rank as the Killer
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B) The SWF group comports themself in a sportsman like manner during and after the game.
Getting crushed by a SWF group is a sort of gray experience, you kind of know what you're getting into from the pre-game lobby, and just want to get through it. If they're on your level or just above it's not a bad experience and ya can learn a bit during play.
The real hurt comes from being matched with people so far out of your league you truly are playing different games.
Top either of these experiences off with the harassment you face as the villain of the game, and it becomes a sisyphean task.
I hope you can understand why we complain and vent about SWF groups with that perspective. I'm sorry your Solo experiences have been bad, please just know that for us Killers every game is a Solo experience.
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They aren't nullified, both problems exist and need to be treated.
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please explain how the complaints about a four man team with 4 second chances each and abusing 3rd party programs to know exactly where the killer is and what he/she is doing are nullified by the existence of solo queue, given that this is your first post i'm excited to see what your response is
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