Is BBQ & Chili the biggest crutch perk for killers?
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I definitely don't think BBQ comes under the "crutch perk" category - I pretty much don't like that phrase anyway because perks are in the game and meant to be used!
Also BBQ has counters, I think it's incredibly well balanced, it gives information and BP, it encourages killers to leave the hook, and most killers pretty much want to get their 4 stacks of BBQ by the end of the match so it definitely encourages them to search for other survivors to hook.
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I really can't play without it! I want to! but... Ya know.. Bloodpoints <3
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IS BBQ & CHILI THE BIGGEST
CRUTCHCLUTCH PERK FOR KILLERS?Fixed title and YES for BP bonus and discouraging camping
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BBQ is only really useful on high map pressure killers.
everyone else just runs it for the BP.
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stop saying everything is crutch, it's in the game. I'm surprised mouse and kb isn't considered crutch, or those damn crutch headphones...
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I mean, I guess it depends on what you mean by crutch. I mostly see the term "crutch" used for perks that people can't play without because they help them win, have powerful effects, etc;.
While BBQ's effect isn't bad, I think most people (including myself) just use it for the extra BP. I wouldn't call it a crutch at all.
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Requires hooking multiple survivors, leaving the hook, and winning chases to activate?
Seems like a very fair perk from a survivor perspective.
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I would argue it isn't as it's primary purpose arguably is to track Survivors. Solely on that, it loses to other tracking perks that can, again a debatable point, do the job better (Spies, Infectious Fright, Bitter Murmur, Rancor)
What gives BBQ its edge is the extra BP gain it gives on such a relatively easy requirement. Hook a Survivor and gain extra 25% BPs.
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No it isn't. None of the Perks are "crutch" when it comes right down to it. Next subject?
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There's no such thing as a crutch perk. There are powerful perks, and there are weak perks. If you are committed to giving yourself every chance to win every time, you are using the powerful perks.
That's not to imply that there are no balancing issues around some perks -- there most certainly are -- but there will always be powerful ones, and people will always use those in order to help ensure a win. This is how any competitive game with a slew of different and variously powered options works.
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I don't know where you're getting the 90% from, but as a killer main who uses BBQ on every killer, It's just for the blood points. Saying too many killers use it, so it must be OP is a flawed argument because I'm certain a lot of people, like me, are using it for BPs rather than the actual in game benefit.
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This thread remind a killer complaining about me using Object (for Book task ofc) and he had BBQ, Nurses and I'm All ears.
LOL
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I’m not saying it’s op it’s a incredible perk for both sides I understand why it’s used to reduce the grind but it’s kind of upsetting out of all the perks we got bbq always takes a perk slot I just wish the bloodpoint bonus bbq gives was built into the base game so people don’t need to run this perk all the time
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I don't get the joke.
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All are tracking perks, right ?
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Don't think I have ever needed bbq for it's primary effect on any killer, survivors are most of the time so obvious that the perk is either there for those easy points or replaced with something actually useful
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Most killers don't run it for the aura effect. It has such a high pick rate because most people are still grinding the blood web.
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No its not NOED is a crutch perk plain and simple
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With OoO giving permanent view while the others are very limited and require the survivor to do something specific.
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More of a "Why wouldn't I run it?" perk.
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I can easily do without it. I've done it for years. It's just one of the best tracking perks. It eliminates the situations where you look for people, go to a gen that nobody's working on, and then 2 gens pop because you didn't know people were at them.
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If you believe that crutch perks... it's more personal then general
My crutch is Whispers... I feel like I can't find survivors without it
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If the OP was baiting then bravo, funny and you caught a lot. If this wasn't bait then...big yikes my dude.
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A crutch perk isn't a perk you can't live without.
A crutch perk is a perk that fills a massive hole in your game and you rely on it because you are bad at something and the perk is so overpowered that it completely makes up for your lack of ability.
BBQ in some ways is a crutch perk but not really. Its main purpose is tons of BP. The Aura Reading is pretty nice but killers don't rely on it to find survivors. It's a huge bonus and there are time when it really helps, and some builds rely on it heavily. But BBQ is far from a crutch perk.
And I say this as someone who has hated BBQ for ages and believe it is one of killer's most OP perks.
Survivor for instance has Iron Will. Iron Will is not a crutch perk, but tons of survivors rely heavily on it. Staying away from the killer is a matter of skill, but no amount of skill will stop you from crying out so loud when injured that everyone can tell exactly where you are. Iron Will serves a purpose that enables certain playstyles, but it's not a crutch. You simply can't do without it if you want to consistently stealth the killer.
A crutch perk is something like DS. It's something that enables you to loop the killer for much longer, but a good looper can loop a killer even without it for a minute or more. It isn't essential to loop at all, but it's a crutch that is used by survivors who aren't good at looping to extend chases. And even saying that, DS isn't completely a crutch perk because it has legitimate use as a means to help prevent getting tunneled and killed off early.
What killer perks are crutch perks? Well right now I'd say Ruin/Undying. Gigantic crutch perk combo.
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it got up to 8+ counters. And the only reason people run it cause the grind is ######### ridiculous and BHVR refuses to do anything about it.
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Honestly, if BBQ wouldn't give bloodpoint boost, I would only use this perk on Huntress and Billy. All the rest of my killers don't really require bbq auras much.
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BBQ and chilli a "crutch perk"....dear god.......
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Survivors: Noed rewards (1 hit down) bad Killer
Killers: BBQ rewards (gives aura after hook) good Killer
Survivors: wait, thats illegal. We're gonna use 16 perks reward bad play then.
Bitter murmur is a much better choice if combine with Noed. Many killer just camp,tunnel and survivors die on 1-2 hook. Its rather to have Killer using BBQ than camping.
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So now bbq is a crutch perk, yup the dbd community has fallen this low, next thing monstrous shrine is a crutch because people die faster on the basement.
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Saying BBQ is a crutch is saying Dark Sense is a crutch.
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"Crutch perks" are usually refered to as sometging you need to win.
Killers don't run bbq to win, they run it for bp. There a ton of tracking perks way stronger then bbq.
If anything they are handicapping themself by using a perk with so many counters.
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It has a lot of Drawbacks like:
- Meyers
- Ghostface
- Wraith
And finally it gives your location too.
Also i rather using OOO than DS wich is way more problematic.
But people just like to cry for everything.
I really don't know what is the problem with ooo.
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Not if u abuse the gen bug where ur invisible behind gens that devs refuse to solve, and myers is only invisible in T1 that's such a horrible example...
U obviously haven't seen really expert swf teams using ooo without u even able to see them
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There's a difference between being offended and pointing out that someone is simply wrong.
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The Problem is SWF. When the whole group knows at every moment, where the killer is. Than thats a huge issue.
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You can point out that something is wrong without getting emotionally bent out of shape about it, and some people here aren’t doing that.
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Even just using it to gain BP is problematic. That's why every killer is running powerful addons every game and it's why there were so many pink moris running around before they got nerfed.
I've long complained that BBQ is overtuned and OP. A lot of people like to talk the perk down and say "it's just for blood points" but if BP weren't so important and powerful for the killer then maybe less people would be using BBQ. Survivors don't use WGLF and that's "just for blood points" and even after the buff Survivors still almost never use it.
Fact of the matter is a lot of killers run BBQ because the Aura Reading is clutch. This is hard to deny I see a lot of killers wrap up the 3K and 4K because of BBQ's Aura Reading. That's on top of the massive BP gain that lets them afford powerful addons.
And I've long challenged everyone. If you're just running BBQ for the BP, then it should be fine to nerf and remove its aura rading right? But every killer I've seen refuses to acknowledge that and keeps saying, "No, it's perfectly balanced and well-designed!"
Whatever. You can walk the talk or you can keep quiet.
BBQ is an overtuned perk but nobody wants to admit it.
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I agree 100% !
SWF is huge issue with OOO.
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The thing is Perk has a lot of Drwabacks.
And for SWF is abuse for sure and i agree with you on SWF part.
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Not really a crutch better on some killers than others
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Killers have bbq and chili and Survivors have we're gonna live forever (wglf).
Both promote healthy and advantageous playstyles on their respective sides and I hope neither one ever gets nerfed.
Anyways to actually be on topic, I'd say the biggest crutch killer perk is NOED
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Most killers use BBQ and Chili because the grind of this game is just way too long, and having a perk that can double your bp per match is very important for most people
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Honestly half the time i forget i even have it equipped, and when i do remember its more just giving me a general status of the other team.
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Whataboutism is the hallmark of an illogical statement. It is the assumption an enviroment in which the statement your focused on is in no way related to the item your discussing but dbd is a time trial based game so everything matters. Its impact however can be debated and in many case carious mechanics matter. So saying no stop talking about x item when x item is affecting the win condition of x side is moronic. Don't believe everything `you hear actually think about the statement.
On the matte4r of bbq its a very easily countearable perk so much so I run an additional tracking perk usually thrilling tremors or discordance. I highly recommend you use the perk about 30 games in red ranks youll see that as far as crutches go its pretty garbage. Crutch perks is also kind of a ridiclous statement you won because of an item or perk in the game not really you just exploiting a broken mechanic. Any competitive fighting,shooter or moba game player will tell you the same thing they play what's best its not a crutch is the meta.
You can appreciate the person who locks in the meme build the weaker character but that dosen't make them the best players. That is indisputably the one who plays the strongest build the strongest character well and wins.
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I run it for the BP's the tracking is a bonus.
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In particular the grind for killers just got harder as there are so many wasted BPs with Mori's in the web now that they are useless.
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To be honest, half the time I forget it’s tracking abilities. I use it for points mostly. Usually by the time I remember that it shows auras for survivors, it’s already faded.
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I run BBQ and frequently come up with no aura readings because you can hide behind a gen or in a locker. Even if I get an aura, if the survivor is on the move it becomes hard to predict where they'll be when I close the distance.
BBQ also encourages killers to put substantial distance between them and whoever they just hooked. Seems like a well-balanced perk to me.
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Yes, I use BBQ; however, as I was leveling my main killer, I didn't get BBQ until he was 46. I noticed when I swapped out the perk I was using, that I actually started losing more games (or not doing quite as well.) I use it for the blood points. My addons tend to give me pretty decent location on the survivors overall.
For a lot of killers Nurses Calling is a must have. Nurse was the first killer I power leveled (did not play) to get that perk. (Can't stand playing her.) I used that perk for a long time, but as I progressed in the ranks, it provided less and less information, so I quit using it.
Pop is another one that most/a lot of killers run. I've gone back and forth on that. I personally use Overcharge because I kick gens a lot. (Maybe I'm wasting too much time doing that...shrugs.) And, even at my current purple rank, I play against purple and some reds normally, a lot of them fail that skill check and then I know where they are.
BBQ, Nurses and Pop are the 3 most common perk combinations for people not running the ruin/undying combo. At least from the streams that I've watched.
Save the Best for Last is pretty popular too, but I don't have that one yet.
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I am VERY sure that people only use the perk because the amount of bloodpoints it gives you helps with this games overkill of a grinding system
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