Second Chance perks for killers?

I never said they where meta. I said that they where second chance perks. Don't move the goalposts. Being given a speedboost and the ability to insta-down anyone is powerful at all times when gens are done, not just off of hook. And you get it by losing. In a situation where someone gets unhooked while NOED is active... you can just instantly knock down the unhooker. DS doesn't really have a counter if you can't instantly knock down the unhooker, but that doesn't matter while NOED is active.

Getting stunned by a pallet is a mistake. If you're in a loop, making the wrong call and not respecting a pallet when the survivor drops it lets them gain a lot of distance on you. Enduring reduces that distance, Spirit Fury removes the pallet for future chases and can help you catch them quicker, and Nemesis tells you exactly where they ran to. Getting stunned without Enduring on it not a great idea unless you manage to hit them through a pallet, you're just giving them free distance. And if you don't hit them through a pallet, guess what, that's a mistake that those perks help cover up.

There's no way to bring back a sacrificed survivor either, what's your point? If you let a Gen you need to defend get to 99%, that's a mistake. With almost every other perk in the game, it's really tough to defend that gen when it gets there. But with Pop? Does not matter, a 75% gen is way easier to defend. Second Chance.

Undying still gives totems a second chance, it's just less effective now.

If you want to discuss the viability of second chance perks, then do that. Don't act like Killers don't have them then change your argument when someone says otherwise.

How is it not when it gives survivors a lot of distance? Sure, there are times when getting stunned isn't terrible, but you can be punished pretty badly by letting it happen. If you don't respect a pallet, and don't get a hit out of it, that's a mistake. One Enduring, Spirit Fury and Nemesis all activate off of. In those situations, without those perks, respecting the pallet would have been better, meaning that not respecting it was a mistake.

Two of those got or are getting nerfed. Spirit furry isn’t really second chance you still get stunned, if you get hit with blood warden maybe just leave when the gates are open. Noed is the only slightly excusable one but ya know it can be taken out of the game pretty fast

NOED can be taken out of the game pretty fast?

Explain why killers consider Undying to the their current best (OP) perk??? It's because it actually takes forever to cleanse all 5 totems while trying to finish 5 gens while trying to evade the killer while trying to complete your Archive challenge while trying to protect the most vulnerable survivor etc. etc. etc.

There isn't skill in eating a pallet, Spirit Fury is absolutely a second-chance perk. The Stun doesn't matter when the blockade that truly prevents you from killing the survivor just dissipated before their own eyes. The survivor is now FORCED to abandon their current loop and try to reach the next one before they go down.

You have to actively go out of your way to get spirit furry to activate. The stun absolutely does matter it gives the survivor a chance to get away from the killer and to the nearest loop

it is not a requirement to save people if they get downed after the gate is opened fire you go for the save you should be well aware of the chances that you could die by risking your live especially if you mess up. Except adrenaline heals you and gives you distance while pgtw only allows you to get rid of 25% of a gen after you chase someone hit them( twice in some cases) and then hook them all while hoping no one hopped on that gen before you go back to it and hope the timer doesn’t run out.

That would make pop an actual viable perk.

Noed: survivors are lazy free instadowns

Bloodwarden: Survivors aren't playing smart no one can leave

Enduring: Helps you play agressive if you are scared of getting pallet stunned

Spirit fury: Punishes survivor mistakes of not noticing they had enduring and probably also have spirit fury because they are only run together

Nemisis: I don't know how you even see this one as a second chance perk

Pop: Get rewarded for playing the game kinda like adrenaline so its basically the closest thing to a second chance if you count it that way

Undying: Survivors are too lazy to cleanse more than one totem easy permanent ruin

Survivors are just lazy/don't play smart these aren't second chances they are usually wastes of perk slots against actually good / smart survivors

you just want to defend your rainbow of second chances of reasons to not spend time becoming a skilled survivor

NOED: Not ran every game, wastes a lot of time getting rid of it

Blood Warden: It's encouraged to stay behind and rescue hooked survivors, even in EGC. There's no way to know the Killer has BW until it activates

Enduring: If you mess up at the pallet, you hardly get punished for it

Spirit Fury: Can be ran without Enduring (much less effective, but still doable), still negates some of the punishment from getting stunned, aka messing up

Nemesis: Helps mitigate the drawbacks of getting stunned by letting you track that survivor and activate obsession perks (this one is the least second chance out of all of them though, I will admit that)

Undying: Still covers up the drawbacks of not defending Totems, allows you to just ignore them and get their effects for a while

I don't play Survivor. Ever. Don't just assume that everyone who disagrees with you plays the other side. That's a bad mentality, and wont help you convince people of what you think.

NOED: take a risk to be lazy or actually do a side objective

Blood warden: Predicting your opponent doesn't exist

Oh no a 2 second pallet stun becomes a 1 second pallet stun for giving up a whole perk slot and doesn't affect the 2.7 second breaking time buying you a minimum of 3.7 seconds instead of 4.7

Spirit fury its not used to negate punishment its used as a tool for m1 killers to gain more bursts of momentum at a cost of 2 perk slots

Undying kinda

pop is gone

Those perks are countered as easily as breathing.

NOED: Wastes a lot of time if it's not in the match, not always easy to find every totem, not run every time so it's not always worth going for

Blood Warden: No one runs this perk. No one is going to predict you're running it, because the only reason to run it for memes. It's not great, but it's still a second chance

Enduring: That second matters, and makes it much less punishing to get stunned. The survivor cant' leave the loop if you have Enduring, they'll get caught in a bad position

Spirit Fury: It still negates punishment because it compensates for it. And I'm talking about just Spirit Fury, which doesn't have much use outside of compensating for getting stunned. It reduces the time needed to catch back up to them, and gets rid of the pallet for free. Giving you reward for messing up, just like all the other second chance perks.

Pop: Still gives you a second chance on gens. 15 seconds being removed doesn't change that. You just have to be quicker with it now.

none of your arguments about perks youve chose make sense

they all have plenty of requirements and counterplay

whereas perks that author of this thread mentioned have 0 counterplay and killer cant do anything to avoid them you just simply have to eat it and be forced to waste your time

DS you can just avoid the unhooked guy. If you go to the hook after an unhook, you can probably find the unhooker, meaning you can just ignore the DS. If you can't, slugging them is still effective, even if they have Unbreakable. And if you don't go to a hook after they get off, the only time DS will hit you is if you get unlucky and come across the only guy with it active. Sometimes multiple can be active, but it's not very common unless you're playing very well, or they mess up a lot. So it's a 1/4 chance at best to come across the active DS at random (Which is still bullshit and should be nerfed).

Unbreakable removes options but still can be countered. Unless you're playing Nurse, Oni, Myers, Twins or Plague, you don't need to slug that much. And even with those killers, usually there isn't more then 1, maybe 2. So if you get multiple downs, you'll probably still have a guy on hook to keep pressure up. Unbreakable is really only an issue when paired with DS, which makes someone invincible off of hook. It can save games, I've lost games because of a single Unbreakable before, but those are rare unless you slug a lot.

People dead-harding to extend loops is not that common in my experience. Most of the Dead Hards I run into are used outside of loops. When it happens, there isn't much you can do, but I don't think there's really a way to change that without a rework, and if any perk needs a rework, it is not Dead Hard.