The Undying Nerf

Than can we get the mori back in exchange for undying?

Why u gotta Rob the killers of everything?

Survivors can keep keys, but killers get continuous nerf.

And watch the entitled survivors try to justify this act and bash me for it.

I personally just think it's a bit over-nerfed. I would have been happy losing the aura reading and getting just two charges out of it instead of three. I completely agree it was too powerful, though I also understand how gen speeds can be frustrating and why people used the combo so much. That said, much like UD+DS, some people just used the combo to be turbo jerks instead of using it to deal with actual problems they encountered.

LOL sorry english is not my main.

Imo Hooks are bad design and so DS.

Once you were hooked that should be a chance to play more like PH cage do (sometimes).

You're supposed to ask for purple bag so they can give us brown bag and tell us they listened to our request.

I'm not sure if anyone was even paying attention to the fact that you can now run Devour Hope or Huntress' Lullaby with Undying while keeping all of the tokens. People keep complaining that Undying was a nerf, but they're ignoring the fact that while they nerfed one aspect of it, they buffed another.

It’s still junk. Ruin undying was good because it worked straight off the bat. Even with ruin undying a totem being cleansed in the first ~30 seconds of the game wasn’t uncommon.

All it did was protect you from some of the games very obvious totem spawns sometimes.

You spawn in and your ruin dies before you can even walk to it. Not an uncommon scenario, but luckily undying made it less outrageous.

But now you pay half your perks to ~maybe~ get a good totem spawn? That’s 4 DSs and 4 unbreakables worth of perk slot.

ppl rather keep the way things were. nobody wants a stupid bone when they were use to eating meat.

I'm honestly glad I stopped playing so seriously.

It's just way too much already as is to try against a team of any calibur for killers that just want fun instead of a sweaty game.

I literally never use this combo unless I have to get challenges done; and if it's getting changed - now I have little to no help simply doing daily stuff or even low tier Rift challenges.

This game turned from fun to try hard and it makes me sad.

I'll just say again..

Casual mode & Competitive mode? Instead of giving insensitive to be even more try hard since higher ranks will possibly soon give great rewards.

Still sad that my Xbox has died and I can't come to play this wonderful bug of a game, no matter what.

I'm odd.

1. He's talking about the bias of the devs, not OP
2. He actually made a point, he didn't try to use "survivor main" as his main argument
3. You're using the killer main as your argument
4. Being able to stop generators is a necessity. Gens get done way too quick at times if the killer doesn't have ruin or any other anti-gen perks
5. If you want to try and call me a killer main, try it. I have 16 prestiges on survivor and only one on killer and I still highly believe that there are way too many broken perks/items on survivor meanwhile killers are getting nerfs left and right

Undying is trash now and you won't see it anymore.

So be happy about the nerf and the long queues.

DS is getting nerfed though so we’re even

It's not trash. They weakened It's only use and add other uses to it.

Like what? You get more uses out of it, when you take Haunted Grounds instead.

Haunted Grounds does a better job at protecting Devour. Why? Because first of all, it doesn´t alert survivors on every dull totem, that there is a hex perk active (Undying does that) and second, it gives at least the exposed status.

Typical survivor main!

That's not survivors fault that keys haven't been nerfed yet, the devs said it will come, but they haven't done it yet lol that's on them, not the players.

Never used Undying as a killer. Never needed to in order to have a good match.

To me, as long as my team mates arent get caught and fast down. Ruin Undying is painfully weak vs me, because I always equip Small game just because how much I hate sit on Gen for longer time.

There were many times I took down Ruin Undying in the first 3mins. Only 2 floors map like Midwich & the Game are the pain to find totems.

Yes the hex stack retention passive change is so powerful that now hex undying is now run with, nothing except ruin. I tested this change and it didnt matter because undying increases the chance of the perk being spotted and you have to find a hex perk that can net immediate value and make up for the investment of two perk slots. Which there are few to none. Also any survivor worth there salt will never let you get anything out of devour bar maybe one insta down if your lucky.

For everyones talk of lullaby and devour hope it amounted to doing nothing since totems rng and ease of destruction only becomes a problem when undying is hitting 4+ totem resets. Also no you cant protect your totem that is a foolish thought to even think about. If a survivor finds yout totem everyone will from that point on know its location since lets be real here the majority of players are at least grouped with one other player on comms and most player will direct other members of its location with general pointing. Assuming the killer jas some impact on its survival often plays into losing gens at an accelerated rate.

All of what you fear exisits already. It called corrupt intervention no you dont have to cleanse it but for all its threatening potential it hasn't broken the game. A killer getting pressure early is not unhealthy I'd argue the lack of pressure early is a massive cause for dbds imbalances. Killer games can end immediatly with one bad chase at the start of the game. Seriously think about that. If you don't get something early pn you be put so far behind its nearly impossible to claw your way back.

That's it your done. There is no end to the number of survivor perks that can mitigate and halt a killers snowball. Ds, unbreakable, adrenaline, even exhaustion perks mitigates and hinder pressure at pivotal moments. These perks provide absurd ppwer and most improtantly are fit for purpose.

Yet a killer forcing totem interaction early on is considered broken. This makes no sense. When you as a team can spawn next to gens on large maps rng that is not a small percentage then you cant honestly tell me survivors shouldnt be pressured early on to remove a ruin twice?

If a killer snowballs that on the survivors for making those mistakes. A killer success is ultimately dependant on how many mistakes a survivor makes and how competent the killer can exploit this. The early game for killers need to be revised and since the devs refuse to bake this into the core gameplay we should at least get perks to fix this. Undying was meant to do this but its ease of destruction renders that mute as well.

Defense of totems is one of the first mistakes you can make as a killer. If you focus to much on defending your totem you will lose the game and any survivor will know that simply ignoring the totem and pushing distant gens will often crush killers who focus to much on protecting there totems. Multi tasking is easy to say when you have high mobility killers but what of the low mobility killers. I'll get on to large maps later because woo wee is that a major issue. If your totems is found you can try and use it to get some pressure spreading damage out but again you will lose the totem. Plenty of players know this that's why many experience players acknowledge its inevitable it's gonna be taken down.

On the subject of comm's and swf where is this data. The inability to access this data is rather infuriating. How is its parsed do we account for difference in ranks (incoming rank doesn't matter even though that yellow ranked meg is self caring in a corner). If I want to check the data on how a champion is performing in lol or dota I can easily bring up sites and get the information there yet dbd tends to restrict that information. I don't care how the greens and yellows are doing I'm interested in what red ranks and how players with higher win rates are doing with x perks and x add-ons.

You used the hag as an example but her counterplay admittedly much more tricky has some glaring holes. If every player keeps deliberately messing with her web she falls apart as a killer. It not easy but that again is why she's one of the better killers I acknowledge this. Flashlight will horribly mess her up but that's just a given. A lot of killers who are less trap based and lack that snowball potential think wraith, pig, bubba, ph etc do will struggle to claw back games. Killers bouncing back from a poor start is not the norm and the point I'm making is that the odds are stacked against you when going up against competent players. Max no of pallets in play, breakable walls are in effect creating infinites structures like shack are available and are at max power.

Now I agree undying needed a nerf but your opening sentence implied you were happy with it as is. Even though it is not fit for its purpose. There were two ways to go with making undying effective.

A. Its loses its aura reading entirely and now instead of two totems being in play there is the one totem you have active. Upon destruction another dull totem lights up so your chance of a hex totem being broken is reduced thus prolonging the ruin or hex perk effect.

B. Hex undying triggers a maximum of two times no more so instead of breaking 4 or 5 ruins you would have to deal with 3 totems a much fairer and reasonable number.

Finally whataboutism is dressing denial of an issue as a positive. No these all exist in the same ecosystem of play this all matters. Scott even engaged in the concept he talked about when pop got nerfed and question why is ds remaining as is. There are two sides to dbd if you reduce the power of one side you need to consider the other so the scales of imbalance don't get horribly mangled. If the dev's have a change that's gonna hurt one side at the very least withhold it until both sides receive a prepared nerf or changes that should keep the balance of power in check.

Map adjustments? Are we not paying heed to the fact that nearly every map from legion onwards (bar reworked maps) has been a large map. You can adjust maps all you like but when they keep making massive complexes I really have to question if they are being genuine or just lying to our face. I present all of these issues and the answer is its being addressed be patient meanwhile haddonfield is still the most disgusting piece of trash to grace dbd despite not receiving the necessary fix with years of time to improve it. The claim of we addressed the large fences long ago was a blatant lie. Since then no changes.

Finally as survivor to get a comparison across you are a control player your goal is to outlast the killer which is the aggro role. The survivor has a map with a wide access of control tools(structures). The aggro killer player has to navigate the control tool's used by the survivor to get the hook. Killer skill expression is down to the survivor making a misplay, either mispositioning or choosing to use a tile that is unfavorable or is lacking the necessary defenses. The killer chases the survivor this is the nature of the role the killer can herd or manipulate certain misplays but its up to the survivor to make those decision's. Your last sentence makes no sense. How can I not know what I'm doing if I'm deliberately trying to manipulate the survivor into taking an action I know will be unfavorable. Yes you have agency as a killer player but the agency is very limited by a lack of good stall tools(that are being continuously nerfed e.g thantophobia, pop and undying.