Maybe I'm wrong, but is this update survivor side?

This is a pretty slanted way of viewing these changes. The only nerf in the entire update is Undying, and it's not even a nerf across the board; it's basically two nerfs and a buff. It's a nerf to the Ruin/Undying/Tinkerer meta, certainly, but it's a buff for builds with token-based hex perks. A killer like Hag will get much better use out of New Undying/Devour than she would have gotten out of Old Undying/Ruin, for example, but killers like Blight who really do especially well with Old Undying/Ruin/Tinkerer will take a hit. New Undying/Ruin/Tinkerer will still be strong btw; it's just not going to be quite as strong or luck dependent as before.

Every other change in this update is a buff.

Clown buff, Trapper buff, Wraith buff, six perk buffs. Then there's some stuff we can't really evaluate for balance yet, like reworked maps and killer add-on changes, or things that will probably be neutral, like the new information in the HUD.

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Looking at all of these changes, I struggle to see how this is a survivor sided update. Killers had more consequential buffs, but they also had one consequential nerf. Nearly every change to both sides was a buff.

The changes to the wraith, clown, Iron Maiden, are long overdue... I mean, shouldn't they just be considered fixes? The clown's the same, but with 3 sec load times which should be pretty big. Antidote is going to be high risk/reward, gotta wait for testing like others have said. Could be good if antidote boosts movement speed multiplicatively, as it will impact the killer's speed more. Either way, I'm glad they didn't make the antidote's necessary.

Most of the survivor changes are positive, and seem like pretty big buffs to me. Going against survivors with Iron Will + Fixated will be rough. If the animation changes don't make it easier to catch survivor mistakes when squatting, then I foresee hardship ahead. There are going to be three different speeds to anticipate survivor distance when looking for a survivor that's disappeared, and there are no scratch marks.

These Deep Wound changes dont change the fact that survivors can just run in circles to prevent Deep Wound from being a consequence. They could have increased time to mend, too... something, anything. They're just throwing us a bone.

Overall though, I say yes it's survivor sided, but what's new? It's like survivors are designing the game and it still feels bad to be a killer main.

I can't see how people can call the changes to Wraith and Trapper "buffs". They are adjustments that won't affect the outcome of a match in the slightest. In other words: they are not even worth being mentioned. Changes to Survivor perks are neither. The reworked perks will be used for meme builds at best. Changes to Clown? Still have to wait for the outcome, but he's one of the many killers, that I don't even wanna touch for a daily. The more and more Killers, Survivors and Perks are added to the game, the more afraid the devs seem to be of shaking up the meta. Every new chapter nowadays is more like: okay another mediocre killer with ridicoulos restrictions and trash perks (except for Blighty Boi, he was a rare exception).

Shhh... It's a fine and well-done patch, remember Killers are just AI.

At this point, I'm just taking the piss today.

If we're being honest here, and let's be honest about being honest: we're honestly not honestly being honest about being honest, the Survivor Perk buffs were "Eh, okay". They are not bad at all, but it's not like they will replace the second chance meta or anything. They are good buffs so that when someone says "Boy oh boy, it would be nice to not play this game in a bathtub so I don't drown the rest of my house in sweat", they have more viable options to pair up with their choices of pants that won't get stained by gamer-induced-perspiration.

The buffs seem okay, though I'm iffy on them to a degree. I don't think Clowns interactions will change much, as his core playstyle will still be completely intact, so for most Survivors, they won't see a difference. The most I see it doing is making Clown able to answer "ring ring EXPLOSIONS It's for you" notifications when they happen across the map. They might also be used to negate some of the distance gained from Sprint Burst, Lithe, or Balanced Landing, which I can see becoming a big issue for some players. We won't know until PTB if that's a thing, though.

Wraith being invisible across the map? Cool! Kinda visible when mid-range? Hmmm. The point of Wraiths ability is to allow Wraith to set up their angle of attack while the Survivors are none the wiser, though we can all pretty much vouch for this being a not-thing. A thing that is not. You know what I mean. With the new system, I'm not entirely convinced that it will become a thing. Or stay a not-thing. Also, making Wraiths speed add-on (Windstorm) basekit would still be a good change, if not better than invisibility.

The Trapper change is a bit of a bandaid on a missing limb. Is it better than nothing? Yes. Are there a gorillion other changes that could be made that would preserve Trappers playstyle while benefitting Trapper more? Absolutely. Again, it's not a bad thing, and one could argue some kind of "trickle down economics" series of buffs for Trapper, but I wouldn't dare to accuse anyone of being Reagan. While reliability with the traps is nice, I don't think it's going to dent Trappers issues. Top level Trappers might notice a difference, but they will still also notice the myriad of issues that will continue to plague the Killer.

"Big buffs to Clown"

Yikes

A few garbage killers being buffed to be slightly less garbage doesn’t make up for the fact that gen control perks in general are now terrible. Corrupt pop has been nerfed, ruin undying gutted.

You may as well just run like 3 chase perks, NOED, and tunnel people because there’s no way you are stopping gens from getting done.

Which is probably what the devs want because survivors could not handle getting stomped so hard no gens got done even though they played poorly and probably had like 12+ second chance perks in a game where the gens can be done in 4 minutes.

Yup. This will help survivor queue times!

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It's not entirely survivor sided, but it mostly is. It makes last patch's rebalancing look god tier.

I think the most egregious and obvious sign of survivor bias is the Trapper change. Are we to believe that the most pressing issue facing Trapper is how it feels for survivors to occasionally have to try more then 4 ######### times to escape. People being stuck in traps too long was not a ######### problem on literally one of the weakest killers in the game.

Maybe you guys could look at the having 1 trap capacity at base. Or having to walk around the entire map to collect your goddamn power. Or that said power has the MOST counters bar none in the game: Saboteur, Small Game, OoO, Map w/ Red Twine, Rainbow Maps, toolboxes, map offerings to indoor maps, deadhard, being able to just disarm them...

Or maybe the ######### jaws addons. All of them are worthless. I dare you to argue otherwise.

Yeah what Trapper needed was to feel less frustrating to survivors in an extremely uncommon scenario.

These a lot of issues here so let me break down how these statements make no sense. Firstly suggested ds changes dosent account for gen tapping which can bypass hold for 8 seconds rule. Secondly making it worl with inner strength is a free health state which is just moving the problem to an extra helath state. Thirdly getting off the hook and getting downed still means you can unbreakable back up. Ds needs a flat reduction on seconds 45 seconds same as pop.

Then we have the survivor nerfs of these only balanced landing is accurate. As hit validation coming from a pc connection with 54 ping on average. My hits do not go through windows unless they are mid animation or are hugging the windows edge. Then there hit thrpugh pallets which again dosent happen unless the survivor is. 5 second off my lunge hitting them. Its console and connections that need to be checked here. The key idea is terrible as your not addressign the core of the issie which is your escaping before you complete you main objective. Keys hatch needs to spawn at no gens left or one survivor remaing no excepetions same as moris only worling on the final hook state.

Let talk bloodlust here. Why the hell should you take bloodlust out of the game when killers like huntress and slinger can get stuck on highly unfavourable maps like haddonfield and the labratory. There are still many uber powerful god loops on these reworked maps look at the building window on suffocation pit, disturbed ward (casting doubht on properly fixing the middle) or badham indoor areas. Infinites might not exist but you could bring them back by removing bloodlust in some of these regions or at the very least entity will block all the windows after a lengthy chase.

In conclusion when is the last time survivor got nerfed in a menaingful way. All of these changes of recent memory were killer changes many of which were needed but the tactless lack of recognition for hitting both sides espicially after the twins patch is pathetic.

You want to be a strong solo queue player you run kindred and at most your down one perk to get some margin of swf level of co ordination. Finally lets talk swf why the hell arent we just hitting swf with a heal and repair speed debuff that increase with the nunber of premades within the group only affecting the group instead of trying to raise solo queue players to 4 gens 2:30 mins speed.

Survivor does need new mechanics a lot of its frustration as a role is its lack of options outside of perks. Wjeres the glyphs? Why is there little to no tools for manipylate killer tracking outside of perks. Why not have new items like noisemakers or snares. This tunneling camping nonesense would bother half as much people if they actually had options and a more robust kit. Stacking seconds chances on a survivor isnt healthy and evertyhing that gives a health state needs a go over to implement and open the path for a more interesting survivor role.