Nurse is bad for the game
How is this fair? Yeah nurse is the hardest killer to learn and master but...it's still not a excuse to have an insta easy mode.
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Nurse is just a poorly-designed killer. She circumvents every mechanic everyone else has to deal with. In the right hand she is unstoppable no matter who the survivors are and what they do. (Yet the game is still survivor-sided according to people)
Yes, it takes a lot of practice, skill and dedication to get to that level but nurse is the main reason I don't accept the narrative that the game is survivor-sided.
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You mean like all the 2nd chance perks survivors get, Nurse is one off the hardest killers to play and even more to play her well, whats worse is you should off know she was going to go right for you and moved to get away and not wait till the least second.
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She is broken ? Yes.
Hard to master excuse ? Just play a lot her and your brain take care of the rest - no super hero powers here.
But Nurse is needed for Nurse/Spirit DBD Tournaments.
Also to feed your Steam profile with "Champion of DBD tournament XYZ".
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So you ignored infectious and then got surprised she came up there? There's not enough footage there to even tell if that was a good nurse or not, you literally sat there on the gen injured anyway knowing she saw where you were at
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Just because 1 killer can do to survivors what survivors can do to all the other killers doesnt mean people is wrong when they say the game is survivor sided.
And that was before the nerf, right now you can face most Nurse players without problems if you know what you are doing, just break line of sight and keep running, if you are trying to loop a Nurse then you clearly lack skill on this game.
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Insta easy mode...... You should've been back in the days lol if you think she isn't healthy now you should've been when she had like 7 blinks or 5 blinks or 3.
Also next time don't ignore infectious fright or you will get the same thing.
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"Oh, it looks that She's running infectious and spoted me sitting in upstairs gen. Better stay here while She obviously hooks the downed guy in the hook that's nearest to the spot I've screamed 'cause She clearly doesn't want to blink right up here."
Yeah. She is SO unfair.
Also, I prefer to be slaughtered by a really good Nurse that I know that put a lot of effort into learning how to play than be locked in a stale match against forever Freddy or be against a "mind gaming" stridor Spirit.
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Nurse you need to avoid her and you can't exactly loop her just like others. Doc is anti stealth meaning you can't exactly hide well enough unless you run calm spirit or find a locker. Learn the killers weakness. Beside she got bugs among bugs on her.
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Her skills are what set a mediocre and a god nurse apart. You can bully a bad one but 10/10 the survivors will get killed before the gates even open.
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To learn the Nuse mechanics first you need to learn all her bugs, maps with dead zones, maps that you can't blink no matter what (midwich corridors are a great example) etc... Then you need to learn how to use her.
Edit: typo
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Not sure how this clip provides any "problematic" stuff. You were cocky enough to stay injured on a gen after Infectious Fright revealed you. You didn't try to run away and you just let her get a free down. Just in case you didn't notice, but she can blink up and downwards, you should've known better than that. So it was more your fault that you went down, not the Nurse being op.
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All I see in this post is "The killer downed me. She must be OP"
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There was so infectious... The other Jake who was downed made the noice. Also, what should I do? Sit behind something and do nothing?
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Then you didn't watched the clip. My problem is that she was there in one second without a signal or warning to react.
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Infectious fright was the warning.
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I watched the clip and do you want me to go over what I saw?
From what little it showed you were still injured.
She just hooked someone not too far away from you.
You sat on the gen and your back was towards the direction she would be coming from.
It sounded like you screamed from infectious fright so you should have been leaving the moment that team mate got downed.
You had DS up.
From what little your 30 second clip showed. I see a cocky injured survivor whose location was revealed but he had his 2nd chance perk up and assumed he was invincible. He got downed and went to the forums to complain. You didn't even attempt to consider what you did wrong or how you could improve. You just made a thread saying Nurse is unhealthy. People like you are the reason killers get crappy nerfs that aren't needed. Nurse didn't need a CD, Billy doesn't need an overheat. Freddy didn't need to be nerfed the week he released but survivors like you didn't want to git gud and instead made enough hate threads. Then the devs listened to the majority.
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Do you have a post-game screen? In the video is clearly you who scream by the volume of the "scream". Also, as said before, she clearly put the downed guy in the nerest hook from where you are, sorry if you don't face many nurses to learn it but it's a clear sign that she'll blink right next to you.
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Nurse is the only one to be good against god swf. I never call the devs directly survivor sided but the day they gut both her and spirit making god swf unbeatable is the day i honestly quit.
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The loud Volumen is a Nintendo switch Bug. Every scream is universal on the map.
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There was no infectius. It's a switch audio bug. What should I do in your opinion? Hide in a locker the whole match when there are 4 gens left? Do you see a medkit I could use or a teammate who could heal me?
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And again, there was no infectious fright....it's a switch audio bug where every sound is universal
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There's very little to go off without knowing the Nurse's load out. Was she running M&A to shrink her TR? Was she using range add ons? That would explain how you didn't hear anything until she was on top of you. Before I got into that situation I would have tried to find someone to heal me or look for a chest hoping for a medkit. As soon as someone got downed near the gen I was at I probably would have backed off. The Nurse could have heard you working on it while chasing that other survivor. The very least if you insisted on staying on that gen you could have switched sides when someone was hooked. You might have survived the surprise attack that way. The window to blink after blinking is very short. She might not have been able to catch you right away had you been on the opposite side.
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You made the mistake of sitting on the side of the pallet closest to nurse. You know where she was coming from.
If you were on the other side and ran the second you heard the heartbeat she wouldn't have got you. had to go through the stun giving you time to create distance and find los blockers
Nurse is strong but the reason she is S-tier is cause surviors seem to be really clueless against her. The second i saw you kept sitting there even when the nurse was coming towards you i knew what was going to happen.
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I did, and I already knew what was going to happen even before she blinked up to you. That's why I said "you should've known better" because it was very obvious that she is gonna blink to you.
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As soon as you heard the scream you should be in full claudette form and leave.
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Why did you stay on the gen through Infectious and likely BBQ against a Nurse? While injured no less... Nurse is really strong in the right hands, but you made a string of extremely poor decisions with your positioning here. If a Nurse blinks to the second level of Thompson House, you have absolutely nowhere to go.
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Nurse has alot of counterplay and most nurses are easier to beat than clowns. You you just need to keep playing safe and not greed. Also you can use so many tricks with LOS that it is genuinely impressing to go against a good nurse that can down you. Some maps give her the edge a bit but the biggest mistake ive seen for years in soloq is people dont change their playstyle while playing against a nurse and it results into giving the nurse really easy blinks and getting downed in 20 seconds.
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She knew you were there, why didn't you even try to hide?
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Do you think the devs care what are said on these forums?
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This is a bait thread right? A reasonable argument is fine to post, but this is just...stop
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In the hexy tournament couple months ago, the teams were dominating the best nurses out there. The nurse's couldn't even get more then 4 hooks because the survivors all were doing their part. Just because you suck against nurse doesn't mean she's bad for the game.
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While I agree she's bad for the game and really badly designed, there was something you could've done there which was leave. You don't want to stay anywhere near a Nurse, get to a gen literally as far as you possibly can away from her and away from your team.
But she's also bugged right now, and you can swing at survivors before your blink even fully goes through and it looks incredibly BS from the survivor's perspective, and she can also sometimes do the fatigue sound even when she's charging a second blink and not in fatigue. So what little audio and visual feedback she had is currently nonexistent and bugged to hell which is very cool.
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Yeah, or infinite Legion. I play Freddy myself but never found that build appealing. Nuse is totally OK since the rework.
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You feeling comfortable doing a gen while injured near a killer who can teleport and who knows where you are because you brought a perk is probably the more unhealthy thing for the game.
On topic nurse is an extremely weird killer and they clearly regret ever adding her so all they can do is make her as difficult and clunky to play as possible, letting her bugs fester so survivors don't see her often and they don't have to concern themselves with constant complaints about her.
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OP acknowledges Nurse as the hardest killer to learn and master, and then calls her an "insta easy mode" in the same sentence. Like, which is it? Both of those things cannot be true simultaneously.
If I'm playing Street Fighter II against, say, Daigo Umehara -- arguably the greatest Street Fighter player who has ever lived, and who has clocked thousands of hours of playing Ryu -- is it "insta easy mode" when he beats me easily, even though he has put in the time and effort to master this thing? This is maybe a slightly lopsided comparison, but still, to excel at Nurse you really have to put in a lot of time practicing with her, and you have to know how to read survivors really well. She's one of the few killers who has a very strong return on that investment. I never get angry when I go against a good Nurse who completely destroys everyone, because that player more-or-less earned the victory long before this match occurred. This is the nature of competitive activities.
Also, I dunno what this clip is even supposed to demonstrate. She hooked someone and then beelined toward you, and you didn't even make a minimal effort to relocate or evade her. I kept waiting for her to go insta-down four people in a row or something, but all I saw was someone who knew she was coming and then eagerly offered her their neck.
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Nurse has the lowest kill rate in the game. How many people really put them through learning her properly? I sure don't. You just switch to her, when the looping gets too annoying and after you realise, how hard it is to play her, you just go back to the other killers, at least there you get your 3-4ks eventually.
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Same could be said of playing survivor. Once people get good enough at it, they can become almost uncatchable. It just takes a lot of practice, skill, and dedication.
So if one Killer can become unstoppable in the right hands and should therefore be nerfed, than we should be nerfing survivor overall as well, right?
Basically you're asking for nerfs based around top tier players, and at top tier, survivors have the advantage. People say the game is survivor sided because if both sides play optimally, survivors are almost guaranteed to win. The killer has to rely on survivors making mistakes. Which is basically the same as going against nurse as survivor. If she doesn't make mistakes, your dead.
TLDR: If we nerf nurse based on the most dedicated, skilled players, we're gonna have to need survivors for the same reason.
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Being able to loop is not the only counterplay for killers. Only if you thread the game this way some killers become op.
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Same can be said about sweaty swf.
1% of the time you encouter insane nurses and swf.
But why should the devs balance around the 1%?
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What did you think was going to happen? Never heard of BBQ or is that the topic of your next thread?
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Definitely not the hardest killer to learn and master. This is simply a meme stated over and over by Nurse mains. As Nurse there is no need to learn how to run shack, jungle gyms, t walls, how to loop efficiently, when you can mind game a pallet vs when you need to break it. There is basically no need to learn how to play killer because she is so different. Once you have timings down and know the few things you need to learn as Nurse I would argue she becomes the most forgiving killer in the game.
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How fair is it? You sat on a gen. INJURED. With someone else who could've healed you. Against a Nurse who will 100% have BBQ. The only unfairness is your inability to use your brain lol
I swear 99% of the people who complain about Nurse are just terrible survivors, and they play against really bad, mediocre at best Nurse's, but because they lack ANY sort of skill or critical thinking, or in game knowledge, they just think every one of them is an MLG unfair pro.
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If nurse was so easy and overpowered you'd see them all the time.
What is easy and overpowered are the killers you see all the time 4King every match. I don't have to name them.
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My guy u just sat on the gen after screaming not even repositioning. You cant get mad at the nurse for not moving from the gen that was all your fault
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Ok so
1) this player played badly, nurse hooks very close by, and he stays on gen and on the closest side of it to the hook. Ofc if she came over, she'd see him and be able to down easily.
2) All he had to do was move off the gen and go to a less predictable spot, even change floors or leave the building briefly.
Mistakes will cost ya.
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There was infectious why else would jake scream
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Reposition
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Forever Freddy is literaly brain dead since there's nothing that the survivors can do besides try to rush before Dying Light can do any harm and I thank the heavens they've patched infinite legion 'cause my god this was one of the builds that would make me go for the Alt + F4 strat.
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I'm going to call BS. Nurse is hard to learn to master by far. If the survivors suck against a Nurse then it appears you don't need to practice to play Nurse. However the survivors that know how to block los and juke are hard to catch unless your a god nurse. The shack is most certainly required to learn how to play as Nurse. Good survivors can make better use of the shack without the pallet when fighting nurse. The trick is to loop the outside of the shack and stay just around the corner. It is a complete guessing game at that point. As Nurse you either have to
- blink through the wall and pray you dont end up inside the shack then hope the survivor was still running forward
- Blink to the end of the corner and hope the survivor doubled back instead of continued to run
- not blink at all and wait a long time for bloodlust to build up. At that point gens are completed
Nurse is certainly not the most forgiving killer. Every single blink you mess up or every time miss swing adds to your penalty. Your entire post tells me you have never played as Nurse against real survivors because every thing you have said is completely false.
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