Lack of Killers at Night

Its cuz we're all crying ourselves to sleep at night.

I’ve noticed the same problem, but also that survivor que times are much longer during the day.

My explanation? Most good players are dedicated. Most dedicated players play at night, or are nocturnal. Most good players tend to play survivor; it’s more fun if you have the skill to take on the killer. This is especially the case with SWF, which more experienced players are more likely to partake in.

I found a majority of the killers at night are campers. It’s a bummer to wait 10+ minutes at night then get stuck with a camper that thinks he’s going to advance just standing and waiting after a hook. Best chances are to play during the day.

I commented on a similar post a while back about this. If survivors are all becoming toxic, that will simply cause people to not play killer any more so the wait times will go up and up. What causes this toxicity though, is it killers that camp and tunnel or is it simply people wanting to take the (insert rude word here)?

I am a rank 13 killer, and regularly go up against red ranks that destroy me, a lot are fine, play the game and leave but there are a few that are just want to mess about and try to bully the killer into rage quitting, which might be fun for them but not the killer.

At the end of the day, it's bad for both sides and something has to give otherwise it will only be custom maps amongst friends in the future.

Im in the same region and for me its different. During the day the survivor are better players then at night. I think during the day the matchmaking works better, bc there are fewer survivors.

At night every killer gets the same survivor bc the survivor need to wait so long that the matchmaking system ignore ranks more, so for a rank 1 killer night is better, but for an rank 10 killer it is not.

Well, i am a survivor main, but i used to play both sides. Now i dont, its just 100% (solo) survivor. Thats one reason i am carefull with survivor nerfs and killer buffs. But the last updates made me not play killer at all. And if i need a change, i play something else.

It's not as bad since crossplay but late night ps4 was always terrible, especially on weekends. After a few games you'd feel blessed to get a squad of only 3 and without object.

I said the same thing in another thread regarding the same issue: it's the current ranking system, nothing else. Before when rank reset happened, one red rank got put back to green rank. Nowadays a red rank get put back to rank 5 only. This causes a HUGE amount of survivors to be permanently in red ranks (with a ton of them not really belonging there).

You will see once the new rank reset and matchmaking releases, it will most likely be way quicker for the average player to find a match than now. Just the top whatever % will have a longer queue.

It lacks enough killers to supply survivor demand this cycle.

Throughout DBDs history this unbalance has been seen both ways.

They do not. This forum is just an echo chamber repeating that.

I agree that the SWF/solo gap needs to be reduced and that queue times for survivor are terrible at the moment, but the answer to that is not buffing killer. We need to buff solo queue. If we buff killer from here, solo queue just becomes an automatic L and no one is happy. We also need to at the very least add an expected queue time to the main menu so that people who don't care can proactively pick the shorter queue. Better yet would be BP incentives. I have a great time playing killer, now more than ever. It's just an inherently more stressful role and people can easily get triggered by doing poorly in match or by the post-game chat. And then they come to the forum to complain about toxic SWF instead of just closing the chat and trying to evaluate how they might have played differently to improve the result, as is tradition.

As for hook suicides and the like, these are going to be a factor, but things like AFK de-pipping Wraiths or farming killers are also going to push things in the other direction. There is almost no chance that the combination of these effects are enough to make a survivor-sided game seem killer-sided. Maybe 68% would prove a bit inflated or a bit deflated if these effects where adjusted for, but it's not going drop the kill rate like 25% or something.

Undying is far from the only meta perk that's been added for killers since the last survivor meta perk (Dead Hard, July 2017) was added. Pop and BBQ are meta. Infectious Fright is meta on a few killers, namely Plague and Oni. Corrupt Intervention is meta on slow starting killers like Trapper and Hag. Undying and New Tinkerer were just added a few months back and both will very likely still be meta on high mobility killers like Blight even after the upcoming nerf. Nemesis was meta on Bubba for a while. Discordance is meta on Legion and is strong on many killers. Spirit Fury was the basic M1 killer meta (along with Enduring) for quite a while, and it still gets a decent amount of use today. Undying wasn't a "hey killers, here's your new meta perk since we've ignored you for years!" It was more of a "hey killers, here's another meta perk...oh crap, actually, that might have been a bit too strong". It's the same thing that happened to MoM, except Undying is still very good and MoM is meme tier.

Survivor meta perks haven't even just stayed the same; they've gotten weaker. DS has been nerfed three times since launch, and while I agree it still needs another nerf (it pisses me off enough as killer that I don't run it as survivor), it's certainly weaker than it was and it's somewhat counterable. Sprint Burst and Dead Hard have both effectively been nerfed from their initial states due to the exhaustion change that prevents you from recovering from exhaustion while sprinting. These have all been good changes, but we can't ignore them when complaining about one-sided nerfs.

Hillbilly's nerf was basically just an add-on pass, since overheating is usually not relevant when playing normally. As a result, Billy's still an above average killer. I've only had issues with overheating when running engravings personally. Nurse's change was a clear nerf, but she's still nearly universally recognized as a top 2 killer in the game. Seems to me like a very justified nerf. If we're bring these up, though, we can't discount Freddy, Doctor, and Bubba's transformative buffs with a "but they were weak before" argument. Yes, they were. And Billy and Nurse were both extremely strong. Now that the dust has settled, all five of those killers are pretty strong, and less extreme outliers in terms of strength than before. Freddy is still a bit of an outlier (highest kill rate in the game), but he's not as overwhelming as old Nurse was.

The killer and survivor community are both whiny as hell. The difference is that survivors usually whine in the post game chat and killers usually whine on the forum.

The current kill rate suggests there is no need for an early game mechanic to make life easier for killers. The generators clearly aren't going fast enough to allow even a middling amount of survivors to escape.

The fact that the kill rate has been consistently strong since at least year also suggests that killers are not being nerfed over time relative to survivors.

My thinking is that buffing solo queue will allow the devs to better balance the game, including buffing killers overall if it turns out that survivors with more information are performing too well. Right now they're in a tough spot because they basically need for killers to be competitive against two different kinds of opponents. I have no idea how the kill rate actually changes if you limit just to SWF or just to solo and I doubt Behaviour will ever tell us, but still, that's the general idea.

I think another really important thing for improving killer numbers is improving performance. I play on PC, and in my experience queue times were much better before crossplay. I'm guessing that part of the issue is how terrible frame rates are on console, and particularly while playing killer.

If you're referring to queues on PC, it's not that less people are playing killer but that crossplay is a thing now and survivors massively outnumber killers on the consoles. I still remember when crossplay first went live and survivor queues went from instant to several minutes and killer went from 3+ minutes to instant.