THEY FIXED FIXATED

You're already punished by 10% instant regression, though. I'm just saying there's no need to make it 13% instant regression; removing the loud noise notification really isn't strong enough to justify any sort of downside.

Let's imagine you remove the penalty. It would be almost entirely useless for players who have any amount of experience. And, for beginners, if a player is getting any mileage out of this perk, that means they're missing a ton of skill checks, and that's already extremely punishing to them and their team.

Compare it to Unrelenting. Imagine if we gave Unrelenting a movement speed debuff if you miss a swing, or something; that's sort of what it feels like to me.

maybe not change undying

I would buff Unrelenting to like 50% too. Perk slots should be valuable! Would you rather kick a generator and instantly remove 25% of the progress, or recover marginally faster once every five games when you miss a swing lol. For beginners that really need help with that kind of thing, I see no harm in giving them solid tools to help them out!

Especially since these perks are worthless for non-beginners, the devs really don't need to worry about over-buffing them. Might as well make them really good in their niche, Lightborn style!

Honestly red rank players might not always be missing skill checks but it does happen, especially against Doc. Removing the explosion should come with a bigger downside otherwise you're removing the killer's information at the cost of basically nothing.

Also I think unrelenting is good the way it is rn, a lot of green and under ranks whiff lunges and the reduced cool down already nullifies dead hard, 360's, and in some cases could probably remove extra loops at a failed read

I'm not saying it would be a meta perk though

What I'm saying is it should be a trade-off perk; no explosion isn't going to win you a match but it's a decent cover for your mistakes. It straight up removes a form of tracking so it makes sense the penalty would be slightly worse.

And if they removed the penalty it wouldn't be a meta perk but it would still be very strong. Literally having 0 repercussion for that sort of mistake could win games honestly. Perks shouldn't just be "get out of jail free" cards

Could actually mean lucky break might see some use. Take a hit, sprint burst around a corner, then fixated + iron will + lucky break away to a hiding spot before they catch up

The meta perk hypothetical was meant to show how weak the perk is balance-wise. Downsides are typically added to perks with really strong effects in order to make them not OP. Autodidact, for example, has downsides at first as a tradeoff for the potential for two second full heals later. If the effect is weak, though, it makes no sense to add a downside. That's just nerfing a bad, niche perk for no reason. It feels like wanting to give Monstrous Shrine a downside because it can be helpful in that 1 match in 250 when someone dies in the basement a split second before they get unhooked.

Perks like Iron Will, Calm Spirit, and Quick & Quiet almost entirely counter much more useful forms of tracking and they have no downsides.

Gen explosions also almost never happen with even average players. Assuming no anti-skill check build you're literally about as likely to get Red Herringed or Pebbled at red rank than to get a noise notification from a missed repair skill check. I miss a repair skill check maybe one game in ten? Maybe? And usually when it happens it's caused by game stutters or something unexpected like Overcharge or Oppression.

I like running underused niche perks and would happily run Technician in a niche build if it had no penalty. As is, though, I'm not even sure if the lack of gen explosion is worth the 3% penalty. 3% is almost 4 seconds of repair time, and a killer usually won't be nearby to investigate the loud noise notification even if I somehow miss a skill check... Like I'm borderline better off just running nothing. The repair distance reduction is basically useless too because the gens are loud AF even without the repair noise.

TL;DR Frequent 10% penalties is plenty of punishment for noobs already, explosion or no, and this perk is useless for non-noobs. If the devs want it to have even the most niche of niche value it cannot force you to suffer a ~4 second penalty every time it works as intended. That's just crazy.

Explosions can give useful information when they happen, red herrings aside, but they only rarely happen with or without Technician. Technician only does anything if you're a brand new or catastrophically bad player. If you're actually getting use out of it, it means you are gifting the killer massive amounts of free time by repeatedly missing skill checks, made even greater by the 4 seconds wasted every time Technician triggers. Only brand new players will ever run a perk with a major downsides that protects against a situation that is rare outside of rank 20 games. And, let's be honest, the players who would run this perk won't even have Feng unlocked, never mind knowing this perk exists in the first place, until they're competent enough for it to be 100% useless... It would be a trash tier perk even without the added penalty. With the penalty it's borderline detrimental.

As is, there is no reason to run Technician over Red Herring. Both counter the information from gen explosions, but Red Herring 1) doesn't require blowing up the gen to be useful, 2) can waste a lot of the killer's time, 3) protects against your teammates missing skillchecks too since it makes the loud noise notification as a whole untrustworthy, and 4) doesn't add 4 seconds of regression when you do blow up the gen.

As a Killer Main who lately has been primarily playing T1 Myers with Oppression at Rank 4... I would rather see DS and Unbreakable than that buffed version of Technician. I hate Adrenaline with a passion so that one is worse and Dead Hard is crazy dependent on how well the Survivor uses it. Oppression being half regression and half tracking is crucial for what I've been doing and losing the tracking aspect would be horrible.

I can't wait to use the new fixated. I loved the perk, but never used it because I remain injured in most matches. This new change is pretty awesome!

You'd have nothing to worry about either way since Technician would still be trash tier and only run by new players even without the additional 3% penalty. Also, Technician kills your chance at Oppression tracking regardless. The penalty has no bearing on that.

Leaving aside the fact that I can't remember the last non-Adept-Feng Technician user I've seen in one of my matches, is the argument that Technician would be too strong without the penalty because survivors wouldn't be punished enough for missing skill checks while drunk?

I really just don't understand how we have multiple people in this thread trying to say this perk is strong and would be too strong without the penalty. Unless if 1) the killer is specifically running an anti-skll-check build or 2) it's a rank 20 match, you will get absolutely zero benefit from this perk, and even when it triggers the penalty sometimes makes the perk effect detrimental depending on the situation. You may as well be running a perk that prevents the loud noise from idle crows in case the match starts while you're still in the bathroom. Maybe it'll help you out once every few hours, but you should basically never be triggering the loud noise notification in the first place.

With no penalty, this is at least a perk you can run in niche builds. If you hate Freddy you might want to run it so you can wake up by failing a skill check without giving him the notification, for example. As is, the penalty just punishes you for using the perk. Unless you're the weakest looper on your team I would probably recommend an empty perk slot over the current Technician.

I'd agree with you! Red Herring is okay at best. It's still soundly better than Technician, though, which says a lot.

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The amount of skill checks you miss honestly doesn't matter so long as the penalty exists. Let's imagine you missed five repair skill checks in a match somehow. That means you saved 5 generator explosions with this perk. Maybe some of those prevented the killer from finding you and slowed down the killer's pressure a bit. Maybe not. You did lose 15% additional progress on the generator, though, which is 12 seconds of repair time (4 seconds per miss is for the tier 1 version of the perk - messed that up in my other comment). So, which is more important, the 12 seconds of repair time or the extra tracking? In truth it depends.

If you missed skill checks in any of the following ways, that penalty is just wasted time:

• You let go of the gen the moment a skill check pops up causing you to insta-fail it. This is by far the most common way I miss skill checks and it almost always happens for two reasons: 1) I'm already forced to leave the generator to go elsewhere (perhaps the killer is pressuring me, or perhaps I need to go for a save before finishing the gen), or 2) a teammate just failed a skill check on the same gen, so I let go because you can't repair a regressing generator and because it's fun to gesture at your teammates after they miss a skill check. In both cases hiding the explosion is usually unhelpful, so you're just left with an added penalty. The one exception would be case #1 if the killer is already close, but doesn't yet know I was working on the gen nearby. Usually you can avoid this with basic map awareness, but it will happen from time to time against stealth killers.
• You miss a skill check while the killer is already reasonably far away, and especially while they're pressuring other survivors. In that case the loud noise notification will be old information by the time the killer gets to act on it, meaning it doesn't help much in most situations. The added penalty hurts you regardless, though.
• You miss a skill check when the killer either already knows where you are directly or already intends to pressure that specific gen. It could be a gen that's been highlighted with a killer perk like Surveillance, Discordance, or Gearhead. Maybe Tinkerer or Dragon's Grip proc'd, or they saw you repairing with BBQ. It could also be a gen the killer knows has a lot of progress on it that the killeris already heading back to defend. In that case the explosion gives the killer no new information, but you still eat the penalty for preventing it.
• You miss a skill check in a match in which one or more survivors have been successfully using Red Herring, Diversion, etc. Now the killer can't trust loud noise notifications, so a silent missed skill check does little for you. You basically just eat the penalty.

Furthermore, it's not enough to just say that 12 added seconds is all of the time that was wasted by missing those skill checks. If the killer is able to make it to a gen and regress it with Pop, Ruin, a simple kick, etc. because you weren't able to complete it, for example, that added penalty can snowball into something much, much larger. This effect is obviously a lot harder to quantify, but if you're unlucky it could be enough to lose you a match.

For preventing the explosion to actually be useful, one of two things needs to be true. 1) you miss the skill check in situations where the notification actually allows the killer to better apply pressure (unlike the list above), or 2) the gen has little enough progress that the added penalty from Technician is effectively nothing. I obviously have no numbers on this, but it's certainly going to be a minority of the repair skill checks you miss unless you're a new player missing skill checks right and left. In some matches where you miss a few skill checks, then, the Technician effect might really help you out. In rare cases it could even save you from making a fatal mistake. In plenty of other matches, though, you actually would have been better off with an empty perk slot.

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You are already penalized with 9-10 seconds of lost repair time by missing a skill check. That is already a massive penalty, and that penalty is already both rare and preventable. Reducing the impact of anything rare, preventable, and not particularly strong is already a pretty terrible use for a perk slot, so adding a penalty on top of that is insultingly bad. You could be running perks that give you free health states, or make you substantially stronger in chases, or let you tank hits from the killer, or that can seriously slow down the killer from snowballing, or that are far more reliable for stealth.

Can you not drop any kind of hint even a little one if you're even looking at it as you must understand the brokeness of that perk

Hell yeah finally <3

Fixated was a top priority on the "to do" list, I'm so glad that you addressed the community's concerns. Idk if it's just me but I feel like in an alternate dimension out there, where there was a perk that released with the Michael Myers back in 2016 and has been an issue that plagued that game since and the Devs chose to ignore the feedback given to them from community members with more than 3k hours in the game and easy solutions. I'm so glad you guys aren't them :D

You get a Gold Star

How would you feel if they removed the regression penalty from technician and gave it a cooldown instead like if you fail a skillcheck the Gen won’t explode. Then the perk will go on cooldown for 30/25/20 seconds

what are they changing to fixated? i read the patch notes and it says

Fixated: Now works while healthy

is it still only works while healthy or does it now work while injured?