Congrats, BHVR. You finally made a patch that was so bad that I went and uninstalled.

No first of all DS is not fine it’s a very op perk but your very weak to be getting this angry over a perk and a hud like seriously your letting this get to you. I understand the hud is bad but get over it a ######### perk gets nerfed whatever move on and get better

Kinda sad to say but I feel you. Game's been super stale ever since the Twins and the new PTB just made it worse. I'm not gonna quit but I'm taking an indefinite break if this godawful UI goes live.

By that time I will be a millionaire and retire from this game it won’t take that long a game can’t last that long on live service

To be fair, Behavior was basically an indie dev team working on a game that was never really done before.

Of course it'll be difficult to balance properly. It's asymmetrical and a party game that they can't decide whether should be competitive or casual.

While their team has grown since then, the and isn't as imbalanced as people think. Most killers are above a 60% kill rate, which is actually very balanced. In a game like this, you should be trying for around a 50-60% kill rate. Any higher and the game becomes unfun and actually imbalanced.

A trashed on game is 0 kills, lost is 1 kill, 2 is going even (which is around what it should be), 3 means you win, and 4 means you trashed on them. People need to get out of the mindset that 4k is the only win, when it isn't. Survivors should be escaping, at least 1 of them, most of the time. If most killers were averaging less than 60%, I would say killers need a lot of buffs, but as it stands, only 3 killers are below 60%. That's very balanced in my opinion, outside of the 3 killers.

DS is totally fine. But killer perks were fine too. Idk why they have yet, another killer nerf update.

If you're burnt out on multiplayer games, definitely give some single players games a try. You can play them while you look for a new multiplayer game.

I used Undying on three different killers and every match I loaded into, it and the other Hex got destroyed by swf at the exact same time. Swf dominates undying, so why does it need a nerf?

I mean the HUD is ugly but aren't you taking it a bit too far??? Like... it's only a HUD after all. And it will probably be changed, since most people are complaining about it lol.

It doesn't need a nerf. But it annoyed survivors so they nerfed it.

A lot ppl will argue that they are solo and that ur swf argument is invalid.

Survivor queue is getting long even during prime time which is ridiculous.

In order to play with the new HUD you need to unlock your third eye lmao. Seriously tho alot of people already know where this game is heading.... With the amount of time they take to fix bugs, release broken patches, and make horrible balance decisions i won't be surprised if they end up losing more veteran players. And when people say "bye uninstall" you know there's one less person. 1 less killer 1 less survivor longer que times.

This PTB is nowhere near the level of garbage as chapter 18. The HUD will most likely be changed because of the backlash and undying shouldn't be the only perk a killer should HAVE to run to win. Their core design needs to be fixed. Undying was very RNG reliant which created pretty unhealthy gameplay and yes, I have run this multiple times with ruin so I think I can say that this perk needed a nerf. It might not have been the best nerf, but it was still necessary. A player who has play 4,500+ hours in this game should expect something like this from the game, it shouldn't be that way but unfortunately, it is. The Clown buffs were still good, he may still be a good killer but the change to his power is only good.

Well at least the map reworks look amazing.

That Saw map.... Holy thats good

They're slightly merging hex: undying but are buffing it in other ways. It now is easier for survivors to destroy ruin but it also lets hex perks that have been saved by undying keep their tokens.

The crutch is required though, some killers (well, most killers) just can't do ######### at top level play

DS not fine. If you're unhooked and DS activates, and the killer downs someone else and hooks them, your DS should deactivate. It also shouldn't work from lockers, unless the person has been in the locker for 5 seconds.

It's too easy to abuse this perk for easy gains when they're not earned or warranted.

Unfortunately, I have to agree, lol

I get the idea that this is the straw that broke the camel's back for this guy. The HUD change and perk nerf were not in and of themselves what aggravated him, but a continuation of a pattern he's seen. That's the obvious take, not what you took out of it.

I think once this next patch goes live that might be time for me to retire as well. I've been playing since December 2016 and until the middle of 2019 I thought this game was outstanding. Once they added garbage like "fog whisperers", perk and killer reworks/buffs/nerfs, (all at the former's whim"), unbalanced SWF feature, removing tiles, making maps smaller, making maps darker, dedicated servers that are just as bad as peer to peer, poorly designed killers or killers who aren't viable without slugging, bbq & chili is "just for bloodpoints", survivors continuing to grief at the gates, survivors sandbagging each other, more aura reading perks and add ons for killers, killers and survivors almost always using the same builds, (spirit and stridor...yawn),and lastly, outside of Halloween there are no more themed lobbies or events after having a precedent of at last 4 or 5 every year.