The Demise of an Idiotic Perk

When I play survivor, I don't bring any items in, so when a killer is running Franklin's, I'm happy to see they've wasted a perk slot.

I almost never play Franklin's as killer. I have tried a build recently on Ghostface pairing Frankiln's with Hoarder, which proved to be a great tracking combo in those matches, if a bit meme-worthy.

Franklin's isn't really effective anyways. Once Survivors know you have it they'll set their items down in a safe spot so that the item doesn't disappear from being knocked off.

Especially with Keys which is one of the primary reasons people will run Franklin's. Though I have seen it run when there's lots of Toolboxes as well. I think the main issue with FD is that it isn't as effective on some killers compared to others. For example Hag is undoubtedly the best user of it since she can teleport hit and trap the dropped weapons.

Personally I think once Keys get reworked and hopefully toned down immensely there won't be so much of a reason to attempt to counter keys with a bad perk.

But yeah it sucks when you lose your item even with a white ward due to FD

I'm curious to know what counterplay there is to be had with keys, besides knocking it out of someone's hands. Could you provide examples?

90 seconds until the item gets destroyed, 90 seconds. That is more than enough time to get your item back. This is one the worst perks for a killer. That is like saying UB should be nerfed because the killer did so much work downing the survivors.

It's just an okay perk on its own, at best the survivors make bad plays trying to go back for their hallowed blight lunchbox, at worst they drop their key in a safe spot to come back for it later. I've seen it paired with Hoarder for some fun meme builds though.

I understand your frustration, but at the same time, its not like FD DELETES the item the second the hammer makes your spleen explode like a hand grenade. You just kinda... drop it. Sure you only have so long before the Entity consumes it, but you could just wait till hes in a chase and go back for your totally rad medkit. I doubt anyone other than a rank 18 would completely drop their current chase the second that medkit sized dot disappears from behind his field of view.

I mean, whats the point of bring inFlashlight if u immuned with Lightborne?

Not mention Monstrous shrine is top tier and never get nerfed

Imagine 9% faster hook stage in the basement? How dare the killer break the game this hard?

Tell me this post is a joke

The perk isn't broken but it evens the playing field a great deal for the killer for those who depend on items. For example Med-kits. If you remove the med-kit from a player hand, and they have to risk going back to collect it. One: wasting survivor time. Two: removed option of self healing if they do not have the self-care perk. Three: The item goes away after away when not collected.

Its a nice perk to have when a team of try hard flash lights come in and they did the last second switch (mind you this is very far in between). Or people running keys and maps. If I see a key, this leads to two things happening. Last second key brought in = no mercy and tunnel if they are not already playing like a potato. But they will be the first to die regardless unless someone dies for the team. Because screw you, your team is not leaving in the box.

Mostly if I bring it, its to counter keys, three or more flash lights just to annoy the survivors since really just time the downing of the player near a wall. Or if I am playing the Item Thief.

As for the items. You can either find them or bring them in. However, if the killer does bring in that perk. Not going to lie, it's only good for just that. So as a survivor, I would rather them bring in Franklins vs Play with your Food or other perks that can be more of a game changer.

Also as a survivor, I don't bring anything in so this never really bothers me much. It does suck when I find a goodie in a box and it gets ripped from my hands. But Hell I call that karma to myself XD

Franklin's demise should really only destroy items if either the survivors don't care/make bad mistakes to waste that 90 seconds, or the killer is already dominating pretty hard. It's more of a time wasting perk than item destroying in most cases, like having a hex that isn't actually a problem but you convince the survivors it is

You can't counter keys. Why is that even in your list?

Hook survivors, but don't tunnel, and pressure gens, oh and be on the lookout for the random key in a chest.

:)

I disagree, as Franklin's Demise has strategic value to it in multiple ways. Survivors tend to value the items they bring in more than any they can collect from a chest in the trial/match (more on the chests later), be it a simple medkit or an ultra rare key/map, FD dropping it creates urgency to retrieve it, and that's something the killer can rely on. This was made all the more urgent with the addition of the 90 second timer before the item gets destroyed for good, and some killers can perfectly take advantage of this such as Hag, Trapper, and Pyramid Head, who can trap the fallen item(s) and force the survivors to give away their position when they try to retrieve it. In PH's case this is particularly cruel since he can cover the item with one of his trails of torment, giving survivors the sadistic choice of either retrieving it and getting tormented or letting it disappear, essentially though all 3 of these killers not only knock the item out of the survivors hands, they take them hostage.

Currently the most broken item in the game is Keys, which have the potential to reward one or more survivors with a 5k BP escape no matter how poorly they played. Being that the only ways of preventing this escape are:

1. knocking the survivor to the ground so they can't use the key,
2. knocking the key out of their hand with Franklin's Demise,
3. or shocking them with doc to prevent interactions with the hatch...

The easiest and most universal choice to all killers should be obvious. Killers who bring in this perk against survivor teams with items do so because survivors who bring in items often have a build and a plan to go with them. It's unfair to say that a killer who uses FD simply fears items and aren't good at the game, without also criticizing the survivors in the same ilk for feeling they can't win a match without bringing in said items in the first place. Playing around flashlights can be tricky enough as it is, but how exactly does a killer play around 6 second healing time medkit builds, Brand new part, or a map that shows the hatches location? I've already mentioned the only methods for beating a key, and surmised that FD is the easiest and most universal way, but while the killers have other perks like Overwhelming Presence, Coulrophobia and Lightborn to deal with the other items, those all rely on the conditions of either the TR's size, or the survivor using the item against them in their presence. They do nothing unless those conditions are met, and survivors can very easily play around all of the anti-item perks, including FD.

What are the weaknesses to FD you ask? Simple:

1. You can always collect another item from a chest at any time during a match if you lose the one you brought in
2. Dropping the item yourself.
3. Jump in a locker before the killer can hit you.

The first is a no-brainer. Unlike killers, survivors don't actually have to rely on the bloodweb at all to gain items. They can pickup items dropped by dead teammates, or they can search chests for new ones. While the Chest searching option is more random than the bloodweb, It's recently become a lot less so with the buffs to perks like Plunderers Instinct, Ace in the Hole, and even the newly added Appraisal, which increase the odds of getting really good items. So if the killer destroys your item with FD, you have a plethora of tools at your disposal to counter this and possibly gain something better than what you brought in.

The second is so laughably over powered against FD, I'm still shocked it hasn't caught on. If you're confused, don't worry...You read it correctly: Drop your item. If you do this, then the item will not get devoured by FD, and you can pick it back up at any time for usage when you need it. This weakness to FD renders it as a COMPLETLY WASTED perk slot for the killer. Sure, with FD's tertiary effect, the killer can see the items aura, and possibly take advantage of it if they are Hag, Trapper, or PH, but otherwise it's completely safe from FD's Destructive Secondary effect. Some examples of how to use this:

You bring in a key, but get it knocked out of your hand with FD? Well then... pick it back up, stash it somewhere you trust to leave it, and return to get it when the hatch spawns.

See the killer hit one of your buddies, and their flashlight hits the floor? Drop your own item, pick their flashlight up and drop it again where they left it.

The third is a simple method that forces the killer to grab you instead of making you drop your item with a hardy slap, but this is conditional. If you aren't on death hook, and are 1 hit away from being downed, by all means, hop in the nearest locker to keep your item. Otherwise it's basically a surrender to the killer, and unless you brought in a white ward, it won't allow you to keep your item anyway.

So OP... Knowing this now, where does that leave your Opinion regarding this "vile perk"?

Do you Still believe killers who use it are bad at the game? That it needs to be "Nerfed"? That It defeats the purpose of making bloodpoints to collect items?

I'd really like to know, Because from where I'm standing, it's a simple strategic perk that provides a decent counter to most OP items that survivors feel they need to bring in to achieve a win, but it's far from being worthy of your or anyone's revulsion. Honestly, the counterplay to FD is so ridiculously in the survivors favor... I cringe whenever I see posts like this. The only thing Idiotic about FD is how easily it's rendered a wasted slot.

Edit: neglected to mention the locker counter

you'd be surprised, keys still haven't been nerfed so a lot of people run franklins if they see a key, regardless of what rarity it is