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Was just body blocked by twins due to poor map design.
SO because the map badham is sill in the boiler room i had a charlotte block on door way while victor sat at the top of the stairs on the other side blocking me down there for 20 minutes, my team didnt want to open the gates because they wanted me to live but after 15 to 20 minutes of this shenanigan's i told them to just leave. they need to make vicors body hitbox a lot smaller so you can squeeze through doors while he is standing there. its outrageous that they can block to entry ways to a building. or add a third way out of that boiler room or something. im glad it was done to me rather than anybody else.
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If you recorded, that's reportable for taking the game hostage since it took place before EGC and for a long period of time. You would have to report in-game and then send a ticket with the footage.
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This may sound harsh, but that was your teams fault. One of them could have come to kick victor, though the devs should allow you to punch him if hes a little higher than you. Also, you as a survivor should be more aware of your surroundings. It may feel like the killer held you hostage, but it was really your team that did since the killer wasn't preventing them from completing the objectives.
I will agree that the Twins are poorly designed though, it should have never made it out of alpha testing and just carried over victors design to when they get the license to Chucky.
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cant kick victor when the killer is controlling him. lol
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idk if i explained this the wrong way but we finished the last gen and i was chased into the school. Either way the killer should not be allowed to block two doors at once. They gave victor tooo wide a collision box.
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Sorry, my bad, I was thinking the little turd was just on top of the stairs and you couldn't get the prompt to kick him cause you're lower. It sucks, but it shows how little development was put into them. With all the complaining about camping and slugging you see on here, you'd think the Devs would think twice before they'd release a master at it.
It sucks, but it still isn't holding the game hostage. It would be nice to be able to kick the little turd if he doesn't move for 3 seconds or something, just don't hold your breath, it would probably be implemented in 2 years since 1 out of 100 people play them.
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It most certainly is holding the game hostage. Blocking someone in a spot whether it be a corner or the boiler room even with egc active is griefing. The killer was nodding at me the entire time. taunting the fact that i was stuck there.
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Killers can not hold a game hostage. Only survivors can. You can argue slugging all players is, but you'll eventually die out. Thing is, the twins have so much wrong in their design (no victor chase points, body blocking, weird hitbox with victor)
So honestly, as much as they want to save you, you just got to eat the loss at times. The game rewards behavior like this and there isn't much you can do. It sucks but it is what it is
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Here is what Peanits said:
We only consider it to be holding the game hostage when there is no possible way for the game to end.The killer did not prevent the game from ending, your team was. They had the opportunity to open the gates and leave.
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It's not technically holding the game hostage as there is a way out besides disconnecting (the other survivors leaving), but in that particular situation it is a reportable offense based on what I've seen in posts from the devs in other threads about similar situations.
Blocking to kill with EGC is only allowed if EGC has already started, I'm pretty sure.
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This is more the killer is griefing you so you can report them for that.
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I wasn't arguing that, just the body blocking. Even then, I doubt anything would happen to the killer. They were trying to secure a kill, they had no objectives to go for, the sister blocked one exit, and the gremlin the other. If they switched to the sister, they could have crushed victor and gotten away, if they attacked with victor and missed, they would have gotten away. Their only option was to move and lose or not move and get a kill. The fault isn't on the killer but on the devs and their bad design.
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Defending this behavior is pathetic.
Griefing is reportable.
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They would receive a short ban if this is the first occurance, longer if they have been banned previously.
This is, absolutely, an act of holding a game hostage and will be punished as such if reported properly.
Body Blocking is not a reportable offense; holding the game hostage/griefing is. This is 100% reportable as the latter example.
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I am not defending anything. People need to stop lashing out with their emotions and look at things logically. Nothing we say matters anyways, since we aren't devs.
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Thank god you aren't, that's for sure.
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Well logically, the devs and mods have both (many, many times) answered this kind of topic as such; which is why I am able to answer with an absolute and not an assumption.
That's enough, trying to escalate an argument is helping no one, much less OP or anyone else caught in that scenario. Please refrain.
Report in game, file a suggestion in feedback if you have ideas for the problem going forward; and open a ticket with additional information here if possible: https://support.deadbydaylight.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
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Why do you say that? I'd do a better job at it than you, since I don't let my emotions dictate my reactions.
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Well, you're wrong in this instance. I linked to the thread where Peanits explicitly states that holding the game hostage is when the killers prevents the survivors from finishing the game. The killer was not holding the game hostage. Griefing, perhaps, but due to the nature of the new killers, the devs have to clarify it for situations like this.
The survivors were holding the game hostage since they had every opportunity to open the exit gates and leave. If the whole team of survivors were in a room together, such as the lone generator room on the second floor of the house in Freddy's map, and the killer blocked them in there by standing in the door way, then that would be considered holding the game hostage.
If all the survivors were dead except one and the killer managed to block the survivor in a corner and not move, that would also be holding the game hostage.
What is described here is not holding the game hostage.
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It's not map design. It's the killer's doing. You can be body blocked and griefed in any part of the map that has a corner
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agreed maybe i should have said killer design. to make that little gremlins collision the size of a doorway is poor design.
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Oh they've been properly reported and i have sent a link to the stream so they can check the vod.
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When situations like this happen, usually the best thing to do is recording the fact and reporting it, however in this specific situation the long wait was mostly due to the teammates not opening the gates and not starting EGC.
Don't get me wrong, blocking you in a building is definitely not a nice behavior and if done for the entirety of the match, it can definitely lead to a punishment, but in the situation you described, they kept you there for a long time because no one opened the gates and didn't trigger EGC, so in conclusion this wasn't holding the game hostage.
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Well I thought body blocking a survivor in a corner as killer at the start of the game and not doing anything apart from that wqas punishable no?
I mean that also does not hold the game hostage, the other 3 can just do the gens, open the door and leave....heck can a killer even hold a game hostage?
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That's a different situation, if they do it from the start, you can definitely report them, the situation OP described is different, the killer wasn't blocking them in a corner from the start, the only reason why they have been there for a while was due to the team not triggering EGC.
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yeah but now its becoming a tad hard to define no?
If a killer body blocks a survivor in a corner and does nothing anymore after lets say 3 gens are done and before that they did not do anything but walk around a bit (nothing punishable about just walking around but putting it into perspective the match up to this body blocking point was basically non existent), the remaining survivors can just do the last 2 gens and open the door and leave which does not take much time either.
basically, is that something that is even defined as to when that is allowed and when it isnt?
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Disregard my previous comments, after discussing it with my colleagues, they pointed out they have been kept hostage for a long amount of time, which is bannable, so please in a situation like this just record the match and report it properly, following the correct procedure.
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In another thread, gay myers described that EXACT same situation as still holding the game hostage. The only difference is it was with a corner body block and not twins.
So we have two conflicting reports on this now.
This was in that thread where they posted a video clip of him holding them in the corner unable to move; and his team mates hung around for a long time before finally leaving.
What was agreed and confirmed from the mod then is that the killer is griefing/holding the game hostage; and if it was clear that the survivors were aware of what was going on and not triggering the EGC and just standing there mocking the person stuck or such instead; that they would be seen as also in collaboration with that same griefing behaviour.
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The long wait was mostly due to teammates not opening the gates and starting the EGC?
That's absolutely ridiculous.
When the EGC was implemented Killers were given no collision on the steps of the basement to specifically prevent this type of behavior from happening regardless if the EGC was active or not.
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I already said to disregard my previous comments, I misread the situation and explained that should be reported.
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Thanks, good to know.
The forums update sync is weird as well, I commented before that post but it only got posted after. No matter, thanks for wrapping this up.
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No problem, sorry for creating more confusion, I hope now it's a bit clearer to everyone.
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It's not the first time and honestly I don't think it will be the last; I think it could help to have the rules that often gets posted for people to review on bannable offenses, to be updated.
Often there is trouble because they see that "bodyblocking" is not reportable, and don't make the distinction that body blocking is just a tool; but when you use any tool in the game to hold the game hostage or grief someone, it becomes reportable as those things.
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I don't mean to be difficult, but in this specific situation, it isn't clear.
Three survivors were able to open the gates and trigger EGC and escape. They felt entitled to a four man escape and refused to leave. The killer was in a lose/lose situation. If they controlled Charlotte, the trapped survivor would have crushed Victor and escaped. If the killer player chose to attack the survivor with Victor, the survivor would have escaped with the aid of their teammates since there were 3 healthy people who could have body blocked for them. The best course of action for the killer in this situation would have been to do what the killer in question has done, to stay put and let the other survivors escape and let the EGC kill the remaining player.
In your third post on this thread, you say to disregard your post that confirms what I was saying about holding the game hostage. So, are you, in essence, saying that the killer would only be punished and not the survivors? Are not the survivor players equally holding the game hostage? Or do the devs believe that only killers can hold the game hostage?
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Yeah by definition of the rules it isn't holding hostage, same with Thompson House which me & some friends did a good tens of times each, but one of us did get a 1d ban for it anyway. They should really update their rules regarding this, they do actually consider it bannable even though according to the rules it's legal
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@Huge_Bush If I'm remembering right, the devs have said that killers body blocking in such a way is preventing the survivor from participating in normal game play, which is a reportable offense.
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@Huge_Bush If I'm remembering right, the devs have said that killers body blocking in such a way is preventing the survivor from participating in normal game play, which is a reportable offense.
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All the gens are completed, the only thing the trapped survivor can do is escape if the killer didn't block them. I'd like to know if killers are obligated to let the survivor go in situations like this.
People in this thread have put the whole blame for OPs poor experience on the killer and refuse to acknowledge the fact that their teammates were also at fault for not leaving. I'd like to know the devs stance on this as well. Is it only killers who can hold the game hostage now?
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Killers can hold Survivor(s) hostage, not the game.
By your logic four Survivors could hide for an hour completing zero gens and it would be the Killer's fault for not finding them (This is Survivors holding the game hostage FYI).
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Yes, Killers can hold the survivor hostage. I never said they couldn't. Killers can also hold the game hostage if they manage to trap a lone survivor before they can get to the hatch or open the exit gates.
This situation is different due to the poorly planned out power of the Twins. No other killer can be at two places at once. As I stated earlier, the killer, no matter how unfun it may be, made the correct call in order to get a kill. If they attacked with Victor, the survivor would have escaped. If they attacked with Charlotte, they would have escaped. Tell me, what should the killer have done that would have given them a chance at getting a down? Don't forget that the gate switches were probably 99'nd and three healthy survivors would have been ready to body block.
This is nothing like survivors hiding and doing nothing. There are no other objectives left in the game other than for the survivors to escape. The killer was in a lose/lose situation since there were no gens to patrol. There would be no point to chase anyone since they would make it to the gate before they could get downed. Should the killer have just given up and faced a corner?
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so its fair to be a soor sport and block someone in a basement like that??? No other killer can do things like that and my team tried to get me out of there. Bodyvblocking both exits and not hitting me for 15 minutes is down right dirty and Greifing 100% maybe not holding the game hostage but definitely greifing,
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You were no more entitled to escape just as you believe the killer wasn't entitled to a kill. Both parties are equally guilty. All I am saying this was a special case due to the unique power of the killer and it is something the developers should have considered when designing the killers power.
You want to argue that the killer was griefing, fine, but your teammates did the same thing. Both parties should be punished except for you since you had no control in the situation.
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This is just saddening.
I hope that they eventually fix the twins.
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I just want to clarify: was the killer controlling victor the whole time? I'm assuming so, because if they were switching you coulda kicked Vic.
Solution for devs: if victor is being controlled and does not leave a 2 square meter area for 15 seconds, he becomes kickable until he leaves that space for 5 seconds
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