I Tried Spirit...
I decided to try Spirit tonight -for the first time- and level her. I played 10-15 games. Two were on Haddonfield and some were against swfs and keys. I 4ked in all of them and it was the most relaxed I'd ever been while playing killer. I did get lucky blood webs so I was running pop pretty early on, but damn... I really didn't expect it to be such a walk in the park. I didn't even notice how broken Haddonfield is.
One SWF made me sit up in my chair slightly and ended up doing all the gens, but I still wound up 4king them because of some mistakes they made. Good headphones + the slightest bit of game sense = ez win
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I just don’t like the character. Even if she is busted.
I’d probably rather grief with basement rusty shackles hag.
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I've have SPIREH on P2 on PC, she a P3 on PS4. I've had 4ks I've had 0ks.
Who is right?
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in the time it took me to respond to my own response, 2 gens went off on haddonfield
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Wow, you must be so good at the game.
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Nah I’m ass. I was just playing Spirit 😎
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I have PS4 gold headphones that I use on PC, not only do I use them on killer, I use them on survivor.
I'm an average player or your an average player. so out of 2ppl, who do we balance for?
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And if you don't have good headphones, you can just 50/50 loops.
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We have a god tier SPIREH here...
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Yeah I pretty much had the same experience when I played Spirit for the first few times. The difference between her and the other killers I usually play was staggering.
My Spirit main roommate was around at the time and I remember laughing the whole time and saying things like "Whatchu gonna do, I'm Spirit. Now watch me outplay you by standing still." We had a good time which almost never happens playing any other killer.
I don't really like her as a character though, so I rarely play her. But she's my go to if I feel like just having easier games.
She really does just take a small amount of game sense and hearing. It's a nice break from the headache playing killer usually is. Although I'm sure the survivors weren't exactly thrilled about it.
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Sweet Bebe JaySus, we have 2 god tier spirits in the house...
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It's usually like that against rank 20 survivors but then again same for every killer... Now if u actually faced some good survivors...
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but 99.910087% of 100% of survivors are rank 20
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I was rank 1 the whole time I was playing her? You’re right tho. Rank 20 survivors would be easy to beat
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Bruh I just said I rarely play her. She's just easy and strong that's all. I might not have gotten 4k at 5 gens on Haddonfield against seal team six or anything, But I did 4k all my games my first session with her and do well with her when I do play her.
I don't know what agenda you're trying to push here.
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Considering matchmaking is broken af now and I as rank 1 constantly face rainbow 🌈 survivors maybe get 1 red rank every 4-5 games I really doubt u played against a really good team, not that ranks matter of course, I seen a rank 16 loop like crazy while a rank 1 barely knew the basics of looping
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Bro what's with that freaking attitude? He never called for a nerf or nothing. He just said she is easy which is true. Im not even a killer main and I won 95 percent of all my matches as spirit which is anywhere from like 10 to 15. She is braindead. But no one here is saying they are a God or she is too strong just easy. So curb that sarcasm man it's so unbecoming especially when your name is one of the best on the forums.
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Ignore him he just wants to start issues for some reason
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@Blueberry and @ScottJund to the 1v1 and 4v1 conversation on SPIREH... I would at tru3 but i don't think he is on the DBD forums.
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Yeah, Spirit is my goto killer when I just wanna relax, turn off my brain, and listen to some music. Just slap on stridor and you have 1 issue turn to no issue (iron will).
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I played spirit and I instant killed everyone in every game that was currently on going even the ones I was not in.
Everyone clapped because of how much I won.
I 8k'd in all my games.
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how do you listen to music and stridor at the same time? are the sound patterns coming in on the same audio output? if so, is one audio louder than the other? Do you use an equalizer? do you use two headsets at the same time? I have more questions but until later
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You seem to think I think Spirit needs a nerf or is insanely overpowered? I don’t. I think she’s very easy to play and the average survivors or even swf will be stomped by a competent killer playing Spirit. You do be kinda cute doe so hit my line shorty
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Yeah that's most likely what's going on. That post was just a knee jerk reaction. Thanks for the check.
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Jund and BlueBerry have very different takes on SPIREH, they both have input on her easiness.
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How is this a thing? Yesterday I played five killer matches and exclusively got ranked against red and purple ranks with two other green ranks!
Gotta love the systems consistency ig
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Rainbow doesnt mean only "rank"
I usually use Yellow/Brown add-on (because I like to save Red/Purple for obvious SWF) and I face Red/Purple ranks
I feel like using Red/Purple add-on in my last game of the day, and vs Yellow/Brown rank
Cant explain that
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Actually terrible bait. 0/10 Not even close to funny just play boring and unoriginal.
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Actually I meant ranbow ranks it has nothing to do with add ons
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I'm not really a fan of this Spirit is "ez" thing going around. She's probably top 5 skill requiring killers.
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It wouldn't have been such a walk in the park if the survivors were actually good. Keys, SWF and map offerings won't help 95% of survivors because most of them are not very good at the game.
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How? Like what about her power requires more skill than 17 other killers?
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90% of the killer roster can be played well with very basic game knowledge of looping and map pressure, that's it. Spirit is one of a few killers that on top of those things requires movement prediction similar to Nurse and muscle memory for pinpointing location from sound while phasing and blind.
This feels like something that shouldn't even need to be explained to me.
You could know nothing at all about 90% of the killer rosters powers and still do decent if you have map pressure and loop knowledge. That same statement doesn't apply to killers like Spirit.
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I disagree that using sound to locate survivors while moving 176-240% faster is especially skillful. I agree she takes some game sense and understanding of fundamentals, but come on... She requires more skill than 17 of the other killers? More skill than Clown, Doctor, Billy, Nurse, and Blight? Those aren’t even my top five skill requiring killers. Their powers are just more complex than moving insanely fast and listening. I also don’t think she’s unhealthy for the game or is in need for a nerf. I just played her and found that I found her very easy to play and do well with.
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She is, it's just an unfunny joke going around by certain people because their favourite content creators once said that headphones = ez win as Spirit. This guy baitposting and claiming to have mastered her because he 4kd against an SWF and keys is just pathetic, anyone with an half-decent understanding of the game's balance knows that this is only possible against inexperienced SWFs that play suboptimal.
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I didn't say she was top skill requiring, but top 10% is a fair statement. For example I'd put Nurse and Blight above her, among a couple others.
Billy's got some skill, but Clown and Doctor aren't even remotely close.
"Their powers are just more complex than moving insanely fast and listening."
Throw a bottle to one side and run around is high skill level? Throw a shock so they're blocked as they reach the window/pallet is high skill level?
My point is that since those killers are 115% movespeed you could even not use their powers at all and still do decent on average. Spirit is 110% movespeed and the same can't be said for her. You are required to use her power if you want down, the others aren't. She requires you to learn an extra skill level that the others do not.
The skill floor to just pick up and be decent on Spirit is much higher than most killers. This is a statement that can be applied to most 110% move speed killers. This is because 110% killers require their power to down, which is why they are slower. They can't just brute force a hit like 115% can do.
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Doctor definitely requires more skill to properly use their power. Maybe not a higher skill ceiling, but I’d assume it takes more games to become a good Doctor that uses their power. A lot of the time you have to shock through walls and also time his shock right.
I can agree that a 115% can do well if you’re good without ever using their power, but I don’t think that argument works with Spirit like it would Huntress or Death Slinger. You’re not often a 110% killer as Spirit. You get your power back every fifteen seconds or less with recovery add-ons and you won’t be using all of your phase a majority of hits. So, like I said and I don’t think I’m wrong. If you’re a competent killer you will do very well against a majority of teams as Spirit.
Like Dowsey said “She makes good survivors look bad and bad survivors go down instantly” it’s not a bad thing that her time investment isn’t much. There needs to be easy killers with good powers in the game.
Also... All killers need to listen for survivors. After enough DBD your ears should be trained to track survivors.
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This conversation is going no where. All we're comparing is my experience vs yours. We have no data or information to reference.
"Like Dowsey said “She makes good survivors look bad and bad survivors go down instantly”"
A statement that can be literally applied to any top tier killer. This says nothing of relevance. Just that Spirit is a strong killer, she is, just like a couple others.
"it’s not a bad thing that her time investment isn’t much. "
This is your opinion, not Dowseys. I think it's an incorrect statement.
"Also... All killers need to listen for survivors. After enough DBD your ears should be trained to track survivors."
All killers don't use that information in the same way and survivors make those sounds differently against Spirit than they do other killers. There's a difference between sound direction and interpreting the sound for a pinpoint location to land a hit on an exact location from blindness. This isn't a valid comparison.
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Literally all killers have to be able to listen for survivors and then track their location based on the sounds. Every single one of them. You saying that don’t either means you’re just not optimally using sound while you play or are purposefully being ingenious about how important sound is to the whole cast.
I should have split up the dowsey quote, but the fact that you had to pick that apart and couldn’t provide any actual points about how she’s “skillful” when literally every good killer can already track with their ears says something imo. Like maybe there aren’t many valid arguments for her being a “top 5 killer.” Wait no it’s top ten now. Literally 1 away from being top 50% lmao
There’s only one easier killer that’s more powerful and it’s Freddy. A majority of the cast can’t m1 someone and then immediately down them. A nurse can, but a nurse actually require quite a bit of time investment to get good. Same with Huntress and Blight.
A VAST majority of killers with many hours think Spirit is very easy to play and if you watch Dowsey’s video that the quote comes from his advice boils down to listening well. So, I doubt he would actually disagree that the time investment isn’t much with that one.
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DBD is maxed volume while the music is below 50%. Also, the majority of survivors are so predictable with their movement so I will sometimes take lucky guesses and get easy hits. It's the same headsets yes, I use Razer 7.1 surround with THX spatial equalizer.
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I agree that spirit needs game knowledge and general experience with killers, but she is mechanically very simple. She is one of the easiest killers to get into once you are already into killers. It's like the perfect killer to pick once you know how the game works.
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"Literally all killers have to be able to listen for survivors and then track their location based on the sounds."
You are misinterpreting what I'm saying. The way Spirit uses sound and the way other killers use sound is very different. You can oversimplify this by saying all killers use sound to locate survivors. Yes, that is a true statement, but to what degree is the nuance, which is why you can't oversimplify it with that statement.
"but the fact that you had to pick that apart and couldn’t provide any actual points about how she’s “skillful” when literally every good killer can already track with their ears says something imo."
You state that I couldn't provide any actual points about how she requires skill when I have quite literally already done that. You simply not agreeing with that doesn't mean it wasn't provided. Saying this is being disingenuous.
"Like maybe there aren’t many valid arguments for her being a “top 5 killer.” Wait no it’s top ten now. Literally 1 away from being top 50% lmao"
Are we gonna be hyperbolic now? You are exaggerating the things I have said and misconstruing my points.
"A majority of the cast can’t m1 someone and then immediately down them."
If you are immediately downing them after an m1 you are playing against complete potatoes. This implies you got them with an m1 without using her power otherwise it would be on cooldown now. That's like saying you m1'd someone on Hag chasing them down...honestly dude common. Are you basing all this Spirit opinion on rank 15's? You should never be getting hits on Spirit without using her power on survivors that are even remotely decent at the game. That would imply you outplayed them at a loop at 110% movespeed...
"A VAST majority of killers with many hours think Spirit is very easy to play and if you watch Dowsey’s video that the quote comes from his advice boils down to listening well."
I disagree. A vast majority of people who play both sides at rank 1 with a good amount of hours would not say that. His advice being to listen well on Spirit does not imply she is easy, that is your interpretation.
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Any new player would find Spirit much more difficult to play than most the other killers.
Now that is not to be misconstrued with they wouldn't get as many kills. If they're new they would be facing other new survivors to the game. Playing against Spirit requires more skill than against other killers. IE them playing dumb against her and running in a straight line while she's phasing doesn't me she is easier.
People misinterpret Spirit as being easy because other survivors don't know how to play against her.
IE more kills =/= she is easier.
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Well that's what i said, being mechanicly simple doesn't necessarily make it new player friendly. But it makes experienced players with 0 experience with spirit easy to play her.
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I don't think she is mechanically simple.
"But it makes experienced players with 0 experience with spirit easy to play her."
I disagree. Most the skills they learned on other killers aren't helping them on Spirit. Compared to the amount of transferable skill between other killers as a point of reference.
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My point is any good killer can get on spirit and use sound to track well enough to play Spirit well. It’s not hard to track survivors with sound. That may just be a personal difference between the two of us.
“You are misinterpreting what I'm saying. The way Spirit uses sound and the way other killers use sound is very different.”
I’m not. You’re not understanding my point that you don’t need to play Spirit more than a couple games as a killer with any game sense to understand how to use sound to track survivors.
“That would imply you outplayed them at a loop at 110% movespeed...”
It doesn’t imply that AT ALL lmao. How often do you play spirit? I used some of my power to get the initial m1, my power then comes back because I didn’t need to use it all and I activate it, track the survivor, and m1 them again. That’s how a majority of spirit chases go. If you don’t play spirit like that I can see why you think she may be a bit harder to play. Also, I’m rank 1 and was mostly going against red ranks. There’s obviously always a bit of matchmaking jank, but it wasn’t terrible when I had posted this. I also played more spirit and got her to level 50... Never got harder.
”Are we gonna be hyperbolic now? You are exaggerating the things I have said and misconstruing my points.”
Yeah, I thought it was funny how you had to backtrack from top 5 to top 50%. Thought it was definitely worth pointing out lol
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How is spirit no skill.
But Bloodlusting is?
At least as a Spirit, you are relying on her power to get downs and not the BL mechanic, which many other killers do.
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I don’t think BL is skillful? I actively said on the forum they should remove it from the game at some point when they did their test awhile back
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you maybe just gifted with her, me even if i know her i have a hard time sometime, i envy you
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I won't agree or disagree with your post but all I need to say is this.
My mate who only started playing the game in September struggled with Huntress and Billy before deciding to buy and play Spirit. He also never watches people play the game and only got it because of me. He also plays maybe twice a week and plays very little survivor (once a week).
Only playing Spirit he got to rank 8. He doesn't understand looping as survivor, yet as killer he was able to get as high as rank 8. I know it isn't red ranks but with matchmaking the way it is, plus his struggles with other killers I think it says a lot about Spirit.
Btw here's his build.
Thanatraphobia, Sloppy Butcher, Nurse's Calling and Stridor. I told him to get Pop but he hasn't played much since getting it.
Too far
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"My point is any good killer can get on spirit and use sound to track well enough to play Spirit well. It’s not hard to track survivors with sound. That may just be a personal difference between the two of us."
We aren't saying Spirit is easy or hard in an isolated environment. We are using easy or hard in comparison to the rest of the killer roster. Comparatively reading with sound while blind is much hard than the majority of the killer roster requirements to perform. Once again this is comparatively, not whether reading with sound is in general easy or hard.
"I’m not. You’re not understanding my point that you don’t need to play Spirit more than a couple games as a killer with any game sense to understand how to use sound to track survivors."
I perfectly understand your point and disagree with it. Understanding how her power works after a couple games is not the same thing as saying she is easy compared to other killers. That is not synonymous.
"It doesn’t imply that AT ALL lmao. How often do you play spirit? I used some of my power to get the initial m1, my power then comes back because I didn’t need to use it all and I activate it, track the survivor, and m1 them again."
You said m1 them and then immediately down them. M1'ing them is not using some of your power...
You used wording that did not represent correctly what you meant to say.
"Also, I’m rank 1 and was mostly going against red ranks. There’s obviously always a bit of matchmaking jank, but it wasn’t terrible when I had posted this. I also played more spirit and got her to level 50... Never got harder."
You have very strong opinions on a killer that you don't have much experience on. You just got her to level 50...meaning you are newer on her. That isn't even meant as an insult. I wouldn't have a very strong/argumentative opinion on a killer that I had just got to level 50.
"Yeah, I thought it was funny how you had to backtrack from top 5 to top 50%. Thought it was definitely worth pointing out lol"
You find something funny that I never actually said? I never said top 50%. You are quite literally making things up. By all means scroll up and post my quote if you can find it. All I have said is probably top 5 skill requiring killers and asks more than 90% of the killer roster, that's it. That is a true statement and is not contradictory.
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