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Are Nurse, Spirit, and Hag M2 killers?
Someone said they are. But I say they aren't. So what does everyone think?
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Nope, they are M1 killer with mobility options. They can only perform basic attacks.
An M2 Killer has a power that can damage survivors directly, like Hillbilly's Chainsaw or Huntress's Hatchets.
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M1 is meaning they don't need to use their power in the process of downing.
IE those are not m1 because they are not running you down at slower than normal killer speed to hit you unless you're playing really badly. They are required to use their ability to get a hit.
M1 killers are those such as Clown, Trapper, Wraith, Legion etc.
Their powers can aide them in hits but it is not required to down. They are all full move speed and can just run you down for a hit.
This is to say that typically movespeed is dictating what is and isn't an m1 killer in the long run.
This is confusing you because you are taking the term "m1" too literally when it used by this community more figuratively.
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that is incorrect, a M1 killer is a killer who can only down someone with a M1 attack, a nurse does not down you with her blink, she has to down you with the M1 after it, a Spirit can not down you with her phase, she has to down you with the M1 after it, A hag can not down you with her teleport... you get the idea. A M1 killer is a killer who can only down with a basic attack. Bubba, billy, huntress are not M1 killers
you contradict yourself as well as technically hag, spirit and nurse can all get a hit (although difficult and time consuming) without their power, meaning their powers simply aide them like you said the powers of trapper, clown, legion aid them.
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That is not how this community uses the term m1.
You are using it literally while the community says m1 killer in a figurative use.
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Trapper isn't M1 he can use his Traps to cause damage.
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Well same goes to you, I know what thread this post was based from and majority of the “community” there seemed to agree with this ideology of a M1 killer
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He is refer to a M1 because majority of his downs are M1 attacks, plus his traps don’t down anyone without a add on.
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Majority of the community on that page? IE 2 upvotes? Really? That's quite a stretch.
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M1 isn't determined by if you can damage them from a source other than M1. IE whether he can damage with his traps or not is irrelevant by the definition we're using of M1.
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not going in upvotes, base off of majority of the comments there supported it, hell watch Otzdarvas video he did with basic attack and special attack explained, he sums it up very well.
I mean you said the M1 killers power can aide them in getting a hit, how is that not any different then spirit using her power to help her get a M1 hit?
and where is your “majority of the community” at?
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No it based off if the killer has a secondary damage option Otzdarva shows this Trapper is M2 but Nurse, Spirit, and Hag are M1s.
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It isn't determined by if their power aides them in downing, it's determined by if their power is required to down.
"Majority of the community" is based on thousands of hours on these forums and in game as well.
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That's not how most people use the term m1.
There's a difference between doing an m1 hit and being an m1 killer. Those are 2 very different things.
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I suppose i can actually agree with trapper, technically can be a m2 but he heavy reliance on his m1 for most of his games.
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M1 killer means your only way to down a survivor is to m1 them without their power helping.
Trappers traps cant down normally, so he's an M1 killer
Legion cant down with his power, so he's an M1 killer
Ghostface cant down without an M1
Plague is the same
etc.
Nurse isn't an M1 killer because her power lets her dodge pallets and walls for the hit, and thus it assists.
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Well then its your word vs mine then, as most i have watched and played with call nurse and the like M1.
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But what does she down you with once she blinks at you?
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Well majority of community is the same for me, and the power isn’t required to down for any killer, been on forums for year with 2000 hours on game.
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"and the power isn’t required to down for any killer"
Then you are playing at low ranks where everything is viable and nothing really matters as all the players there don't know what they're doing.
Against good players many killers require their power to down.
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Great list to tell who is a M1 and who isnt, Nurse is a M1 killer, she just doesn’t play like a normal M1 killer yet she only downs with a M1 attack thus making her a strong M1 killer
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id say they are, since those 3 rely on their powers to hit survivors and win chases
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Technically speaking, a power is never required to get a hit for a killer, it is very much helpful and recommended but never required, obviously with a killer like nurse you should use her power but you are not required, you can still get a hit but the chances are small but not impossible, using the word required suggests you think it’s impossible to get a hit without power when that is just not the case.
Nurse blinks, nurse presses M1 does M1 attack, M1 killer. Done.
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I don't know how much more in layman's terms I can put this.
You are using the phrase m1 literally, the community uses it figuratively.
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That is just wrong.
You are not running someone down with nurse to hit them. We are assuming the survivors aren't afk....
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I guess you are the whole community then.
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Never said that. I do have more experience though.
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Agree to disagree, call whatever you want a M1 killer to be, but do a bit a digging and you will see alot more people then you think would agree with me
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As do i have more experience, I can say that too but it won’t change anything.
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New players to the game might agree with you.
After you play more you'll see what I mean.
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You're using it as an opinion, I'm using it objectively.
You want to compare hours?
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tbh i think i played the game more then yourself, but its not even a official game term so really call it whatever you want okay? I feel like i am talking to a wall, majority of the community thinks the same, several others in this post and the last said the same, I am done with this discussion and will be ignoring any notifications from this.
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"tbh i think i played the game more then yourself"
Factually incorrect.
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An M2 killer is a killer with a secondary option to cause damage. What is Nurse's secondary option to cause damage. What is Spirit's? What is Hag's? They are M1s with abilities to help get around.
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You're using M1 in a literally sense, the community uses it in a figurative sense.
M2 killer is not a killer that literally damages with their m2.
I've already repeated myself on this multiple times here.
M1 killer is a killer that can down a survivor without needing to use their secondary power. M2 killers require use of their power to get the down. That does not mean their power is literally what is doing the damage (IE Nurse blink).
IE Nurse has to use her blink for a hit. She is not just running you down to hit you without ever using her power.
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No a M1 killer is a killer that can only do damage with a basic attack. It is in the literal sense.
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That is not how the community at large is using the term when referencing m1 killers.
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M1 is still killer with only M1S besides you I've never heard someone say Nurse is an M2. Should we say Wraith is M2 because he needs stealth to get around and move. No and the same with Nurse.
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You are misunderstanding the entire point.
I already told you above that Wraith was an m1 killer because he is still 115% movespeed and does not require stealth to get a hit. Nurse is not 115% movespeed, IE she does need her blinks to get the hit. You are comparing apples and oranges.
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Whatever they're are M1s cause they only have a basic attack. How come when ever they down someone Surge will proc they're M1S. How come everytime they hit some they'll gain or loose stacks STBFL. That's the facts that prove they're M1s.
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Id say Nurse and Hag are M2 because they are slow. They need to use their power to be able to catch people. Spirit on the other hand is M1 because she can down people without her power. Her power just makes it easier. Nurse+Hags power is required.
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But a Spirit without her power is the same as a Hag without her power. 24 meter terror radius. 4.4 meters per second. And every down they get will trigger Surge. Every hit they do will lose or gain stacks of STBFL. Only M1s will do that.
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Surge procs off m1 attacks. I never said they didn't do m1 attacks, I said they weren't m1 killers. Those are not the same thing.
You keep referencing the same point that they literally hit with an m1 attack. That is not what I'm saying. The fact that they hit with an m1 attack is not what determines if they are an m1 killer.
The m1 spectrum of killers is a category that shows how they go about downing players (IE the process), not whether or not they literally hit someone with an m1 attack.
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Yes and every down they do is with an M1 attack. And that is what makes them M1s. And they come with a secondary ability that doesn't do damage. M1 is literally if they can only attack with an M1. You think that because they need their secondary ability that warrants them an M2. Stop twisting definitions And accept the facts.
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You are using a different definition of m1 killer.
M1 attack is not what makes them an m1 killer.
"You think that because they need their secondary ability that warrants them an M2. Stop twisting definitions."
It is not twisting definitions. It is the definition the community uses at large. You are coming into the game and applying it in a literal sense which is not how people use it in reference.
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They are M1S who come with a secondary ability. M2 is if they have an M2 attack.
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Im unfamiliar with spirit. So I take back what I said. If she is slower without her power then she is an M2 killer.
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Spirit, Hag, Huntress, and Deathslinger are 4.4 meters per second.
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