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Why is hag so hated by the survivors?
When I purchased hag with iri shards I was a bit sceptical. The only killers I could buy were clown, blight, hag and twins. I didn't want the twins cuz I found her play style to be boring, and clown was pretty weak. So I was between blight and hag. I had ruin on hag already, so I was leaning towards blight perkwise. But because of my pc fps drops, I decided to go with hag. And oh my, I don't regret a thing.
I've been playing hag for a month, and she's just so fun to play as. Her traps are so strong when placed correctly and you get rewarded for predicting the survivors. Unlike trapper she can use her traps on almost every loop and be effective, whilst having incredible map pressure, even tho she's a 110% ms killer. Unlike spirit she actually has obvious weaknesses and she requires a lot of map knowledge to be effective.
I'm basically half way through being a hag main (I've been shittalked for playing hag, so that's a good sign :p ). I just don't get why she's so hated by the community. Playing against a flashlight squad is a nightmare, and whenever you pick someone up you always get trap notifications because the OoO user starts to step on your traps.
If I had to guess it's because hag players usually trap the hooked person, that's true I also do that. But again, I think she's pretty counterable if you find a flashlight or have kindred/OoO.
So, why is she so hated? And as a bonus question, any tips when playing as hag? Could use some. Let me know below.
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Same reason people hate Deathslinger:
Hag's a killer who takes away control of chases etc from the survivors, and generally meddles with the 'engage the killer in a chase and keep them busy while gens get done' tactic you see all too commonly.
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I think because most hags play style is like you said they camp the hook with traps. Although I agree it can be a little annoying to go against sometimes I can't blame hag players for using a inbuilt tactic. Besides flashlights and crouching is a thing so it can be countered.
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She's campy. That's all.
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Because most Hags camp with their traps.
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the tendency to camp, get hooked in the basement and watch the hag player act like a bot placing atleast 4 traps all the way up the stairs before "leaving"
nothing wrong fundamentally with the killer, just look at how Otz plays her, its just crappy killers playing in cheap boring ways.
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Because most hags will put down a trap near the hook, she goes away, and then as soon as unhook occurs, she teleports back to it for camp/tunnel behavior. Then in chat insists it's not camping. But it definitely IS.
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... what other tactic is there? Actual genrushing?
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Because survivors want to get chased, hag doesn't chase if she wants to win. And it's very map dependant imo, in some maps she is god, in some maps she struggles a lot so sometimes makes survivors feel helpless and other times they are bored.
It's a fun killer to play and i even like playing against her in moderation because of how much you have to change your playstyle. I would not let survivor's opinion influence you wether you play her or not; if you like Hag, play Hag.
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As I hate hag and trapper the most out of all killers I can give you my view why I hate her.
The main reason is probably the chase, as the chase vs hag (and trapper) is completely different then vs all other killers, it's not really a battle of predicting/mindgaming/reacting to each other but a question, how prepared the hag was ? If she's good and leads the chase well with good network of traps, you'll either be forced to leave into the part of the map where you believe no traps are (and thus no gens as hag is teritorial killer) or you'll enter a loop with a well placed trap which is 100% hit for a good hag and you're down.
I personally don't enjoy the chase interaction of evading traps, I enjoy strong active chase powers that are used during it, not before to reap benefits later. Flashlights don't help much either as while in a loop with trap, if you use FL to disable the trap, it takes long enough to the point where hag reaches you before the trap disappears. Outside of the chase, finding traps is very hard (with no perk to help locate them) and shouldn't be done as it wastes time which is hag's main weakness so that doesn't really work either.
Other then that, her camping is really strong so that's annoying too but not nearly as much. Occasional jumpscare from random trap is my bane as I'm extremely unlucky when it comes to evading pre-set traps, partially why I hate trapping killers as I'm a magnet for traps even when they're put in plain sight and really obvious.
Overall for me it's mainly the different style of chase. Still, even when I hate a lot facing trapping killers, I won't DC, give up or anything. I'll play out the game as best as I can and try to enjoy it. Hag is pretty well balanced killer so I wouldn't ever ask for any changes just because I don't like stepping in traps.
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These are great points.
Also her counters are unreasonable. Flashlights are far too strong against her, and if nobody has flashlights, the survivors are screwed.
Its simply not an acceptable counter to just crouch walk. When an unhook occurs almost every Hag does the exact same thing: Break chase and immediately run back to the hook. Why? Because they know godamn well that its impossible to crouch walk away fast enough out of trap range before she returns. So its either don’t trigger traps, and get hit anyway, or run and still get hit because a trap is triggered.
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I can understand hag taking chases away from survivors but i've never understood how this applies to deathslinger. Yes, dodging his spear might be a 50/50 but once you are injured even if you are speared you can play around predropping pallets so he can't finish you off even if he catches you.
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Well you answered your own question.
She's fun for you as killer. But she isn't fun for survivors because her traps work on every loops, she has incredible map pressure, she's a camping ######### and really she is just a super annoying killer to go against.
If you get hooked you might as well just #########. She's going to camp the hell out of you and you are all just going to die. If you are brought to the basement just turn the game off. You are not getting out of there alive.
She has obvious weaknesses to Urban Evasion and Flashlights, but who plays with Urban Evasion? And it's not a hard counter either, or even a good one. Scrubs bring UE but at red ranks almost nobody does, and most people don't bring flashlights, and good luck getting one in a chest. And unlike Spirit, since Hag is very rare to go up against most people do not spec to take her on, and if you aren't specced to handle hag you are going to have a hard time.
We're not even getting to her addons, like the stealth teleport where you don't even know you ran over a trap. Or the one where she can teleport to any trap freely. Even the body block addon is annoying and she can even screw you over and cut you off from the map. And that Ruin spawned in a corner? GG you are never blowing it.
Traps in general are annoying because you have to look where you go and it's a pain. But at least with trapper his traps are easy to see. Hag's traps are pretty much invisible on most maps. So you can only rely on map knowledge to predict where her traps are.
Hag is one of the most annoying killers in the game and frankly is unhealthy for the game. She is right up there with Nurse to be honest in power. I actually prefer versing Nurse over Hag. Not saying she's easy or an insta-win, she requires a lot of knowledge to pull off right, but there is nothing enjoyable about fighting her.
Most hag players just play in really annoying ways and take the fun out of the game entirely. Fun for the hag player I'm sure but it's just tedium for survivors.
All in all though Hag is one of those killers where if you are on a strong map she is unstoppable. On other maps she's manageable but no matter what map, it's always a pain to verse her, even on a map like Rotten Fields.
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The problem with hag is that you can't chase out of your bloodweb.What i mean is that if you know that 2 survivors are AT THE OTHER SIDE OF THE MAP you can't really chase because of how slow you are and you've most likely not set any traps so you're kinda "forced" to stay near the hook.If i'm wrong correctly me please.
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It's because they refuse to adapt. They saw me put ONE trap near Hook, they saw the survivor coming for the rescue croutch, and what do they do once they are off the hook? Run like headless chickens, triggering traps and procced to come to the forums complaining that "hag is boring, oh she camps, ect ect"
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Tofu explains it great.
Also, I really dislike the Hook gameplay of Hag. If someone is in the Basement, this person is basically dead, if the Hag-player is not playing super-nice. I usually only put one Trap if I hook someone in the Basement, but if the Hag-player wants, they can put like two Traps into the Basement and multiple Traps above it, and nobody can save that guy safely, because either you have to run (aka trigger Traps) or you have to crouch back, which allows the Hag to return.
Saving someone out of the Basement should be more difficult than "normal" Hooks, but not a basically guaranteed death.
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It comes down to a lot of survivors being unaware what Deathslinger can shoot through/over and what he can pull a speared survivor around. Predropping pallets can sometimes even be an advantage to him cause a lot of survivors do let their guard down when they're on the other side of the pallet.
for example, you CAN drag someone to the shack window after shooting them over the dropped pallet, hit them and reload and shoot them again when they leave the shack through either door.
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I actually have never used the infinite range addon because I feel that it's going to be really bad, since my playstyle doesn't support going through the whole map.
I agree that the hook strategy is a bit too strong, but I usually just trap once, maybe twice if I know they're going to run into a jungle gym or something.
Thanks for letting me know
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Hi local I hate Hag guy here just to inform you why I personally hate her. This won't be as long as I could normally make it so it'll be sort and sweet.
Hag is either extremely strong or extremely weak. If the squad all have urban and flashlights then it's horrible for the Hag player. The fact that a killer is balanced this way just shows how badly balanced she really is.
Camping Hags are obviously horrible. Good Hags make you crouch everywhere or die (slow and boring). Scroll Wheel Hags give you no chance of reacting. 3 gen Hags make the game last 20+ minutes (usually Sloppy is run). She has some broken add-ons (Rusty Shackles and Mint Rag).
Ok this isn't as short as I was hoping but I tried my best.
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Cuz she can't be looped around each pallet 3 times. That's about it.
Survivors like to play ONE way, and if they can't, the killer is "unfun", "boring", or "OMG OP".
As for placing traps under a hook, I wouldn't be surprised if that gets changed so it can't be RIGHT under the hook, but that won't really matter. I like to put them on the access ways to the hook instead, anyway. Forces survivors to either crouch longer, or trigger it earlier. In order to completely eliminate her ability to trap a hook you'd have to make it so she couldn't place a trap in such a wide area it would almost remove her power from large chunks of the map.
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Because she has a boring campy playstyle.
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I don't hate versing her unless she runs MyC and my teammates aren't total potatoes. If she is running MyC the match then becomes a nightmare since she can instantly down the rescuer and people will think twice before attempting a save, if they save at all.
I'm a filthy urban evader who doesn't run meta perks except for Spine Chill, so my play style counters Hag. It just sucks when I rescue someone and they don't crouch and trigger her trap. Also, most survivors are like me, we can't loop well at all and getting a free hit makes us go down even faster.
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I guess people hate her because they don't face her often and so are not "good" against her and especially against Hags that play her well instead of just trapping the hell of a hooked survivor.
And like someone else told it : her and Trapper do not chase in the same way other killers does, and if you don't trigger her traps on purpose you'll suffer in chase and get down pretty easily without having any chance.
This is why i rather face a Nurse or even a Spirit coz it's more a matter of juking them for example ^^
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People have pretty much summed up the reasons why. She is insanely boring to face.
And some of her addons are just complete bull.
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Because Hags often either camp or stay close enough but just enough away to proc MYC. You either run, trigger a trap or try and slowly crouch away... which basically means death as the hag is getting closer and closer.
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I'd rather pay 1,000,000 BP than play a game against hag. I'd rather play 10 rounds against a double killer glitch with Spirit and Nurse than play a game against hag. I'd rather play m1 Nurse with no power against a gangbang bully squad than play against hag. I'd rather play a 2 hour long 3-gen game against forever freddy than play against hag. I'd rather have an elephant stand on my balls for 6 hours than play against hag
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I mean as a Hag main and reading through this i agree that certain play styles are just boring to go against and against certain swf squads she gets rekt but if your just good and not playing scummy i don't see why you should hate her. Like sure it's basically a free hit if you run into a trap but she isn't as chase oppressive as deathslinger or a good nurse unless you run into back to back traps and get hit each time. I understand some people don't like not having control over the chase but cmon the trap had to be preset and is a one use before it needs to be replaced if you triggered it the killers power obviously you should be negatively affected by it. You can even avoid the hit entirely outside of chases and waste her time by setting it off at the traps active edge then running away.
Yes a Hag basement camping and heavily trapping a hook is unfun and strong, yes 3 gen's as hag is strong, and yes her addons are strong but just as leatherface is fun to go against (depending on who you ask) when he isn't camping Hag is fun when the player isn't being a dick. IMO I don't think 3 gen's as hag are that strong and most of the time it's necessary or it just happens because the survivors carelessly did 2-3 gens right away. That is actually how a few of my 3 gen's happen is just the survivors not being careful and spreading gens apart.
However as a good Hag flashlights and urban don't destroy her unless a whole team basically runs them which is extremely rare, it's the same argument of using clam spirit against doctor but even more rare then that. Flashlights are not that big of a deal unless there are more than two and even if there are just put on franklins and play around their items for a bit.
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I feel like they have a good point when it comes to hag. I myself am not a fan of a hag especially if they are good. I know that it is not an unwinnable game, but it is just frustrating to try and get rid of her traps. It is more of a problem in solo queue since I know I can't really rely on my teammates.
Usually, I try to risk my life many times just taking out all of her traps and never letting her set up. But if she is good I will go down easily. To go against hag, you have to find her traps and disarm them but you take a hit almost each time. If she finds you, then you can't really do anything that will end with you escaping her unscathed.
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that addon if you know how to use it is one of the best addons in the game assuming you can use it, like if you get disoriented easily it's meh. like doesn't take anything away from hag it just makes it so you can only freely teleport every 15 seconds but you can still go to triggered traps.
It does allow for some really fun and bs strong builds, There is the obvious MYC + devour hope and then there is the stealth hag where you put on a bunch of undetectable perks and when they trigger you tp to a gen to try to get a grab or free hit.
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Can you name a strong killer you find not boring to play against?
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Billy (even pre-overheat version), Oni, Demo, Blight and Freddy (as long as it's not full forever Freddy) are all killers I enjoy to face.
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I dont have anything against the have.
I Just hate myself that I am a trap magnet. That's why i hate to face trapper or hag.
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She’s good
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As a hag main I'd say Hag requires a little bit of coordinated cautious play which you often don't get even from good swf teams.
Typically the good teams coordination comes from how they do gens an try and tie up the killer, often they are bold with the hook rescues though, which plays into hag's traps and caution is often out the window and has been for a long time in this game.
She does a great job of countering to one trick pony loop and bold play of a massive amount of the player base, so, as always, she's bemoaned because you can't just do the same thing over and over against her and win.
Quick tip its poor hag who places a bunch of traps around the one hook. Its a waste.
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Exactly, if you use an add-on for her that makes her trap setting time quicker, you'd be down in a few seconds.
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Deal
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Tip: reset tripped traps often.
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Shackles and mint rag aren't broken they work just fine.
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Because she has one of the strongest inbuilt proxy camping tools this game has, hook someone, put traps near hooks, now either the Survivor runs, activates them all and you teleport back or he crouches, rescues and they try to get to safety crouching, which gives you more than enough time to go back walking and attack them. The whole "but you can get rid of traps with flashlights" is moot, first you need one, second even if you have one with 2 batteries you can only get rid of a very limited amount of traps while she can keep just putting them near hooks.
Not all Hags play like that but at least most of them do, at least those are the Hags I usually face.
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She is an extremely effective camper, she places multiple traps and you're forced to crouch from any angle.
You crouch for too long and a lot of time is wasted.
You have to crouch to leave the hook after the save and look who has more than ample time to return? The Hag.
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Lower-skilled Hags often play her in unhealthy ways, mainly by trapping up hooks and forcing 3-gens, leading to stale games for both sides.
Higher-skilled Hags are playing an S-Tier Killer that ends chases before they even begin with counter-play that isn't obvious and harder to implement against her than most other killers.
Simple as, really.
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if you trigger her trap and she teleports and gets you, then its camping and thats not fun..
Trap teleporting = camping
LOL
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Hag is a strong killer that is why. Same with Spirit and Freddy survivors will never like a strong killer.
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Similar to Spirit and Slinger, (maybe trapper) they change chases for survivors, which seems to be frustrating as well as she's got a great ability to camp.
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She's quite annoying, probably for no other reason than that her gameplay style is so different from other killers.
As a foreword, this is coming from a killer main who occasionally plays survivor.
Hag really forces survivors to stealth around, and pay attention to their environment. She's really good at getting sneaky and unexpected hits, which can feel kind of cheap. Her strength is map presence and surprise hits, which is very different from the usual course of the game. In chase, she's lacking, unless you can back survivors into a corner with your traps.
The synthesis of this comes down to that she's kind of boring to play against, and frankly, to play. With little chase interaction and forcing players to urban evade around the map, it brings a new and slow gameplay to the match, when the most exciting part of the game is chase interaction. I don't think she's that awful, especially in comparison to playing spirit, but she can feel cheap (regardless of if the hits are actually cheap or not) and boring.
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Trap the doors around endgame especially if your using mint rag great control and pressure when you can turn up behind them
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The Hag more less is so rare for people to fight that they forget how she works and just do what they normally do forgetting they are fighting the teleporting Mud witch.
However, when Hag beats people they can feel It..When Hag starts winning, getting hooks stoping people from breaking totems. Survivors actually start feeling helpless. They don't know where her next trap is, so trying to chase might result in a cheek claping. Trying to save someone off a Hook, she will Teleport to It and Clap your cheeks. You can have her chasing and midway she goes and teleports somewhere else and claps someone else's cheeks.
You can use flashlights and duck by her traps..But,people wanna waste flashlights to "pwn the Killer" or taunt them then using them logically to fight back vs her and people are dumb enough that even after they see the hag set traps in front of them they book It as soon as they are pulled off the hook causing a hag trapgasm.
Lissa (the Hag) is infamous for punishing folks for not being mindful of her nature as a Killer...So,yeah people hate a Killer who actually posing them a threat while they run thou a million of her traps because they do that vs every other killer.
She is also the best at getting salty mail..I should know..I main her
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I hate her for different reasons. Her traps tend to trigger my motion sickness. After too many of them I have to afk and take a loss.
Otherwise I think she's a cutie.
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'Survivors like to play ONE way, and if they can't, the killer is "unfun", "boring"'
Have you, or anyone else who thinks this, EVER considered the fact that the survivors are perfectly justified in calling the killer boring because the one way in which the majority of players have fun and interact with the game is not viable at all against these killers?
"Survivors can't loop da killur so they think da killur boring!!!!111" like no ######### they think they're boring, almost nobody wants to play hide and seek and hold M1 on gens all day.
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because some people don't like a challenge
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I like a challenge that's fun and engages me in different ways, like going up against a good Blight or Huntress. Very hard to play against but also very rewarding. I don't like a challenge that literally involves me not doing the one thing that's actually fun to do in this game as a survivor, and instead wants me to AFK on gens and crouch around the map. There is a very noticeable difference between a good challenge and a bad one.
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