Thank god Undying is getting nerfed
I already know how killer biased these forums are so I’m ready for the attacks but honestly this perk is so unhealthy. I decided to solo que and had a few good matches today but one in particular just made me bored and disgusted. The killer was blight and we get storehouse. Right off the bat the he manages to injure almost all of us at the start and has good pressure on his end. He has ruin, undying, ya know the meta, and I notice one of his hexes out in the open. Keep in mind we’re still at 5 gens and no gens have popped because of tinkerer and ruin putting in work. He downs someone fairly far enough from his hex but because of undying’s 6 second aura reading he decides to drop the survivor just to come back to his hex that I was on and was about 80% of the way done but because he’s blight he’s there within no time. Rest of the game just proxy’s the totem and nothing more. To me that just screamed sweat lord and I have no doubt in my mind that my other solo que teammates were not enjoying that match. I am honestly excited for the upcoming update and cannot wait any longer.
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I'll be excited when certain problem perks on the Survivor side get addressed too, so I can't blame you
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Fair.
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That's not going to happen anytime soon.
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Undying is easily manageable. If it was that much of an issue there was a skill difference going on.
There are so many problems with this story you gave. If he's camping the totem that hard y'all should be getting free gens. Him dropping someone because he sees you on his totems isn't sweaty, it's common sense. You are literally angry that he didn't play dumb.
Even with ruin/undying up he can't chase all of you at once so you should still be popping gens unless y'all were playing terrible and going down extremely fast.
You call Undying unhealthy when Undying is quite literally the epitome of healthy design. Why? Because it's high risk in that you could lose it immediately without it doing anything and it literally once again does nothing unless the killer is skilled enough to be pressuring the whole map.
A cost, skill requirement, and it takes two perk slots to do anything. That is what healthy design looks like.
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You're allowed to voice your opinion as far as I am concerned. Who cares what biased killers think?
Think for yourself. Undying/Ruin is just as annoying as DS/UB is. There I say, I think it "buys" those killer players (yes players, not killers) the time they need, because of their skill level.... and would otherwise take twice the amount of time they normally would need to down someone.
It's like a snooze button on Ruin.
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Honestly as a killer main I prefer the new version because it's more interesting and I feel a decent compromise. The current perk is too good to pass up right now and makes the meta for killers boring. That's the issue with survivor perks however because there's only a handful of interesting perks that are good. However with this nerf I feel that HEX perks should get more quality of life changes but again not sure what they could do. I feel like a lot of features and mechanics in this game are neglected once they're added and if that wasn't the case I feel this game wouldn't have such a stale meta. I feel this is the main issue with survivor perks is the meta won't shift because the lack of mechanics they have and the lack of perks that accommodate these mechanics.
tl;dr - BHVR needs to introduce new mechanics for survivors so that way they can design more interesting perks so maybe the meta can finally shift. I agree with the Undying change as a killer main mind you I main Nurse so I don't have it as hard as other killer players.
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Have you ever seen or had a killer run to a gen when ruin is up and tinkerer procs?
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Yeah, I find ds and unbreakable annoying as well when I play killer. I don’t even use that build when I SWF with some friends let alone solo que. I just personally find ruin/undying/tinkerer annoying in a solo que match where I want the rest of my teammates to enjoy the match but we have to put up with it.
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Ngl I'm not surprised Undying is getting changed- not because it's OP or a killer perk, but because it felt like such an old fashioned perk when it was released. Imho it ended up having old Ruin syndrome- pub stomping solos and inexperienced players while being too easy for a team with good comms or just a coordinated group.
Imho they kinda dug themselves a hole with the perk. If they nerf the aura reading (the worst part about it to verse imho) it would have made it easier on solos and a breeze for even basic swfs. If they made it so killers lost aura reading, but kept tokens, it would have still had the same effect as before, just with Devour instead of Ruin.
Undying is a super hard perk to balance imho.
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I agree with what you said you’re not wrong at all, but at the same time you have to realize it’s solo que with no communication in a fairly large map so it’s difficult to find your other injured teammates if they’re spread out.
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Quote: "I already know how killer biased these forums are"
It's funny people keep spamming this bs on a daily basis even though most* long term forum members seem to look at things professionally - in my opinion at least.
* = yeah, I know you want to disagree because of person A, B, or C who is extremely biased. Doesn't change the fact about "most" long term forum members.
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I had a similar match on Dead Dog Saloon.
I did totems though.
It's a shame my team couldn't keep up in a 1v3.
It was a very healthy gameplay filled match where the generators only got done after he killed a person. (This is after I did all 5 totems.)
The survivors definitely totally had a fun time it wasn't oppressive at all.
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On the one hand, I agree with nerfing Ruin/Undying, on the other hand...
Laughs in Hex: Devour Hope
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Undying is NOT easily manageable ESPECIALLY if you are paired with 3 other teammates who are solo as well. Even SWF’s can have a hard time taking out this combo. You’re right on some parts, yes we should of been getting gens done but we struggled, that is not the killers fault and have only myself and my teammates to blame. But I cannot be upset with my team either it’s solo que. I also want to correct you on something... I was not “angry that he didn’t play dumb”, I used “bored” and “disgusted” because that’s how I felt.
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I’ve been around on these forums for a while, my account says other wise but this is not my first account. The reason I say that at the very beginning is because it’s true, at least, from what I’ve seen. I’ve seen many threads about killers, perks, play styles, etc. you name it, that survivors make and each time I go to them killer mains always seem to verbally attack them and it’s just disgusting. Hence, why I put that at very beginning of this thread.
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Undying wasn't a problem on killers like Wraith, Demopuppy, Piggy, Bubba, Mr Cowboy, Clown or Plague. They needed it in order to not have to completely sweat and promoted them to try and go for three hook kills. The problem was when it was used by players who wanted super easy matches and paired it with high mobility killers like Spirit, Freddy and Billy. There was just no winning against them while playing solo. So yea, I am glad it's getting nerfed.
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I agree with you. with those killers it can be very annoying and problematic in solo que.
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Why are people considered bias when they understand the game for what it is? Even good no bias survivor mains think the game is survivor sided when all 4 survivors are competent. Do you just want an echo chamber that doesn't see reality?
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The other option would be to nerf the killers, but the devs don't know how to do that without breaking something, so buh bye Undying! It will make Devour Hope more dangerous though! I hope no one complains about it, the game needs to be a bit scarier.
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I’m pretty sure a lot people know that this game is killer sided. What I’m trying to point out is that I personally see rude, snarky, and sometimes mean comments to survivors that make threads about killers, killer perks, etc. on these forums. That is why I put what I put at the beginning of my thread because I don’t want problems from the killer community.
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Definitely. I’m all for undying making hexes with tokens stronger. I’ve always loved devour hope as killer but hated when it was the first one broken so I’m excited to utilize it with devour hope in the future.
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you’re not wrong, you’re right but someone else made a similar suggestion but since we were solo que and there was no communication it was a bit harder to get things done. I’m not saying that you need SWF in order to be optimal and wipe out gens with ruin/undying up but it’s just harder in solo que that’s all. And I cannot be mad at my teammates nor the killer for that because it’s Solo. I know what to expect in solo que most of the time as we all should, just wanted to make that clear.
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its very strong in solo with good RNG hex spawn
its very weak against SWF unless it has really good RNG hex spawn
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"To me that just screamed sweat lord"
You aren't correcting me on what I said. You calling him sweaty is you being angry. "Sweaty" does not have a positive connotation attached with it. So it is complaining that he wasn't playing dumb. You're being disingenuous in implying otherwise.
I play almost entirely solo queue. Undying is very manageable. To the point most games the group just ignores it entirely and finishes the gens with it still up. As you said yourself, this is a skill issue you are describing, not an Undying issue. Undying is not even remotely difficult for a swf either, these are such exaggerations.
Now if you're referring to extremely low ranks in this difficulty, most killers that low don't even have the combo when they're still that low, much less the skill to properly pressure the team to get use out of it. Like literally the situation you just described...he wasn't pressuring y'all at all.
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I'm gonna miss old Undying I'm a Detectives Hunch gamer and love going for the Hex totems gonna miss it unless the devs shock us some how.
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I stopped reading at "Even SWF’s can have a hard time taking out this combo."
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Yep, I'm glad it's getting nerfed. It is extremely unhealthy for the game in it's current state. I can't wait for the update, lol.
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If the killer is truly competent and extremely good at applying pressure they can sure have a difficult time. Take it from someone who used to ONLY play in SWF back then. Stop acting like every SWF is a death squad and OP.
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That’s your opinion if you think me calling him sweaty is being angry and in my opinion seems stupid. I’m done talking to you. Have. A nice day.
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