Why do people think demo is weak?

I dont know. He's got a bit of everything, some mobility and some pallet options that aren't just: follow the survivor around 2 times till they throw down the pallet.

He's a good mid tier ( at the lowest imo) killer, but you aren't going to automatically win just because you picked him like with some other killers.

Well said, I agree with all of that. Only other thing I have to add to the conversation - in the most recent bunch of stats released for red rank kill rates, if we ignore Nurse and Blight since they're much harder to handle, Plague and Demo are essentially tied for worst killer at red ranks by a pretty noticeable margin. Demo was 62.8% kill rate. Clown, for reference, was about 66.2%. Killer average was 68.2%. I don't think that the stats are the end all be all, but it's still telling that Demo was much lower than average there

I'm actually always surprised that more people don't think Demo is dogshit in his current state. He sounds great on paper but it just never seems to play out that well compared to other killers

At his peak performance (and demo is not eaay to master) he's likely the most average killer in the game.

Nobody thinks he's weak. He's just not as good as he could be due to design choices. Mostly it comes from his addons, which for the most part, are incredibly bad. The fact that he broadcasts every action he's taking is another down side. Again, not weak, just average. Could be much better with tweaks.

I don't have a whole lot of practice on demo, I usually do win but every win is more of a struggle than some other killers. I work myself into a nice 3-gen and then it's constantly bouncing back and forth putting pressure on. Once I get STBFL I imagine that will help a great deal and I'll enjoy playing him more, but I really have to be on top of gen pressure with him.

I've learned though that portals are excellent for tracking stealthy survivors end-game trying to finish the last gens, I put them down more for the tracking than the teleporting.

Viable and viable at rank 1 is a huge difference. Using one finger at armwrestling against a toddler is viable, too, and thats how rank 1 feels for me most of the time.

On paper he does seem amazing... but idk in practice he's not bad, he's just very slow at doing everything he needs to do.

And as others have said, he pretty much has a global notification for any action he takes lol.

i to am a demo doggo main and yes he has everything a killer could want and is fun to play but when he is compared to other killers he doesn't stand out at all

he is a jack of all trades but doesn't shine in any aspect. lots of people compare his kit to freddy who is also a jack of all trades but unlike demo he excels at all of them and the biggest factor is that freddy is easy as hell to learn and play at all ranks whilst demo has to sweat at high ranks.

I love Demo, and I agree that he is misunderstood a lot, but he is a killer that requires the player to play well with him to get solid results. Ignoring the lazy builds like STBFL, PGTW, Ruin? Rat Liver etc he can take a good 20+ games to properly work out, and then some more to work out what he can do that other killers can't etc etc

I'm gonna post my rework idea for Demo right now and you can see if you like the sound of what he could become

It is nice that he doesn't need a Purple add-on, but, he sort of ends up like Wraith. He NEEDS that add-on to be any good.

Yeah but you can say that for every killer. The top 1% of players are always gonna be good at whatever they choose to play. Lol. Wraith is a trash killer but I've gone against some damn good Wraiths. Wraith was still worthy of some type of buff.

I have invested significant time into Demo. I have him P3 LVL 50 with all Perks. I've sunk at least 100 hours into him.

His biggest flaw is that not only is he mediocre at everything, he is BORING to play. The pick rate stats confirm this. Nobody plays Demo.

His Shred massively lowers FPS on Console and causes stuttering, so keep that in mind.

I'll list a rebuttal to your highlights on his Shred and Portals.

• His Shred can be EASILY baited. It's hitbox is also pretty funky. Despite its funkiness and easily baitable nature, it is very punishing. It is a 2.25 second stun PLUS the distance you lunged, at the bare minimum.
• His Portals can be destroyed. Portals are great in the early game when you don't have pressure and need to get places quickly. The problem is that you need to set them up. Set-up Killers are bad until they get set-up, making them strong lategame Killers. However, Demo is only gonna get a lot of value from his Portals during the early game, so that makes them redundant. Not saying they are useless, just that they seem counterintuitive.

Demogorgon is the least played Licensed Killer and almost the least played Killer overall. I suspect this is because he offers nothing unique and is painfully average. I understand the Devs have bigger priorities, but Demogorgon DOES need a rework, if only to get people interested in playing him.

I'm currently typing out a response but I figured I'd give you the chart first.

Demo is the second least picked Killer, barely above Plague. He also has the 4th lowest Kill Rate, below Clown and Wraith.

If you'd look at any of my other posts, you would understand that I am not a "mediocre Killer." I am not here to argue my own merit as a player, I've had enough hate mail to be assured of my abilities, but if you'd like to come check out my stream sometime, go for it. Now, onto your actual points.

First of all, the pick rates do not lie. Kill Rates are subjective, because they can be inflated by Mori's, bad Survivors ect ect. However, for whatever reason, nobody wants to play Demo. He's a perfectly fine Killer, mediocre, but like you said, "balanced." That leads me to believe people find him boring and uninteresting.

Again, this comes to low Console FPS. Juking is much harder to counter on Console because of the low frames, which gives the Killer less information and therefore, less time to react to said juke. Shred lowers the already abysmal FPS whenever it is charged, so in most cases, you are ONLY using it to bait Survivors. At least on Console, they know you aren't ever going to use Shred because it's way too risky. Sure, you can use it to eat pallets, but good Survivors won't drop pallets that early anyway.

His Portals can ONLY be used for gen protection. Ambushing with Demogorgon doesn't work, as we've seen time and time again. Like my original comment said, he gives THREE warnings to Survivors that he is coming. Map-wide notification, glowing Portal and loud stomping. Again, Demo suffers from the same set-up problems that Trapper and Hag do, but his Portals LOSE value the further into the match you progress, unlike those two Killers, whose traps gain value.

Frankly, when you say someone is bad, and use that as an argument, it makes me think you are running out of legitimate counters. Of course, I'm sure you didn't mean anything by it and were only trying to help :)

A Killer's time is 4 times more valuable than a Survivors.

Therefore, that one second channel and a 5 second walk is equivalent to about 24 seconds of time spent to set up ONE Portal.

It takes one Survivor 12 seconds to cleanse a Portal. 24 seconds is way longer than 12, ergo, not worth it.

Devs have stated the KILL RATES shouldn't be taken at face value, because there are so many variables. Those stats are the average Killer players over a certain period of time. That cannot possibly be misconstrued. Agreed, there may be slight fluctuation, but Demo is easily one of the least popular Killers, no matter what way you slice it.

I can literally link you at LEAST 5 posts talking about awful Console FPS whenever abilities are activated. I can send you videos of it. Legion's Frenzy, Demo's Shred, Blight's Rush, Nurse's Blinks, BloodLust ect ect.

If you can ambush Survivors, either they don't care or they aren't good. Good Survivors are NOT taken by surprise when the game gives them 3 warnings.

I do not have Demo games on my Stream, as I stopped playing with him about a month ago. I can give you some funny Legion games where everyone DC's tho.

I think more than likely, you are above average at Demo and are going against bad Survivors.

Genuinely don't understand how you think setting up portals around the map is fast lol. Demo's map mobility has the potential to be great, but its huge set up time - and then activation time - is undeniable, followed by survivors then being able to destroy them.

I think it's because the Demogorgon requires more skill than most killers: Shred is quite punishing if misused and his portals are not like Freddy's teleport, they must be placed cleverly to be off-path and hidden. In good hands though the Demogorgon is quite powerful.