General Discussions
General Discussions
The outcry for the new UI is a bit exaggerated
I've never seen such a mobilization of the community because of something so small. Yes, nobody asked for a UI change. Yes, it's all over the place. But I've already adjusted to it, and that means pretty much anyone can. If you need to see the information quickly, make it bigger. The new UI allows you to change the size of things. It's easy to tell when someone's injured, deep wounded, broken, etc. My only complaint is the placement of the score events. They are way out of the way, and would be better placed above the perks or your item or something. But to say that the game is "unplayable", to say that it's "ruined", to say that it's "dead" because of a UI change is just ridiculous. Y'all are making the pushback against the Nurse nerf, the DS nerf, the bloodlust removal, the Balanced nerf, and everything else seem like nothing compared to this. If y'all were up in arms about actual important issues the game has instead of being petty and choosing sides all the time, I'm sure DBD would be much better right about now.
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I agree. People just hate change. Regardless of whether it's good or bad. And this change does in no way make the game broken.
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Couple things to this:
The UI is functional on a PC screen, but for console players on a large TV, they need to literally turn their head multiple directions to get information.
The status bars for exhaustion, etc, are still completely not colorblind friendly, I am incapable of seeing where they are on the bar. Frustrating when they listened when it came to the injured portraits.
The gens left are in a spot you will never look naturally. There are some reasons, especially as killer, to be looking in the bottom left for a hiding survivor. I can say I've never looked up at the top center naturally unless I'm playing Huntress and going for a longshot snipe. It's lead to me struggling as both sides to keep accurate count of the gens left which is a problem.
General UI design is to cluster like information so that a quick glance tells the player everything they need. The old UI did this very well, with everything but perks in the same spot. Now to see how the game is going you need to look top center, top left, middle left if you're killer, top left for longer if you're survivor, bottom left to check power/item stats, and bottom right to check perks. Compare that to the old UI, which had it so you had to look bottom left and bottom right to get the state of the game, and it's objectively worse.
The reason people are so mad about this is it affects every game. Balanced isn't in every game, DS isn't in every game, Nurse (rest her soul) isn't in every game. BL removal was for a weekend and nothing came of it. This is in every single game, you cannot avoid it, so it's something everyone who hates it has to deal with every time they ready up. The outcry as a result is balanced in proportion to how often you deal with it.
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People don't hate change. People hate bad changes and unnecessary changes.
More resources could've been put somewhere else instead of the UI change. Or at least, you know... if they acknowledged our feedback...
Does it break the game? No...Does it make it enjoyable & playable ? Not really. To each their own.
Is there some exaggeration? Certainly. But there's for good reason and hope BHVR will pick up on it and adjust accordingly...If you ask me, I don't have much hope they'll fix / change anything and just let it pass or "here, have another cosmetic / event to distract you from the bugs and glitches of our game" kind of thing.
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No. No it's not.
You can clearly see most of the community disagreeing with the change. That doesn't make it exaggerated. This is the same thing people say when a show is popular (Because for some reason it nails certain aspects and attracts many viewers) and think it's overrated.
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I suspected that might be the case for Console players. I play on a 32 inch curved monitor and find dealing with the positioning of the UI elements to be a chore right now.
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This. Also, a lot of people are (in my opinion, justifiably) unhappy with the Devs for how the situation has been handled thus far. A lot of things that people are having issues with as far as UI were also present in the PTB, so for a lot of people, it feels like their feedback on the Public Test Build was useless.
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Yeah, I'm not a console player myself, but I've seen a good number of them saying how awful it is on 60-70 inch screens, and I completely believe it. I'm running on a 17 inch laptop screen and it's bad enough...can't imagine almost four times that size...
That's a great point as well I forgot. This has been yet another highlight that the devs are awful about communicating. So many different statements about why nothing changed despite having a full four weeks to make changes. It's absurd, it really is.
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I feel like I just played 3 times more games than I have. My eyes are tired and having to dart to all the corners of the screen is disorienting when playing. It's just not a good design. It's not a "getting used to" thing!
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I've applauded virtually every update the devs have made (except the Billy nerf, and I don't even play Billy). So it's not that we "hate change".
The problem is that the game is a mess right now. The devs are scrambling to patch bugs, they have a million changes they've promised like MMR and key nerfs that are coming "soon" (TM), and instead we discover that they've been dedicating their resources to changing the UI.
The old UI was simple and elegant. Virtually everything you needed to know was in one corner of the screen. The new UI is a hot mess, which come to think of it is a pretty good metaphor for the state of the game right now.
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It's not the UI alone that caused this. It's all the things leading up to it. It's a change they didn't have to do, didn't need to do and were told over and over again please improve the design or don't do it at all. Sure it's small in the grand scheme of things but the fact that the devs won't budge on something small and say they won't budge because this small thing cost them too much time and resources to back off is really bad. Imagine this tiny insignificant thing that drained resources and time, instead of the 1000 other bugs they could've been working on or something ppl actually wanted.
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Honestly I don't think so.
A lot of important elements are much smaller than they used to be. Survivor's healthbars for being slugged, deep wounded, or hooked are not only out of the way, but very small meaning it can be easy to not notice the bar is almost empty.
Buff/Debuff icons are also much harder to notice in my experience. I've been unhooked and granted BT/We'll Make It and not notice immediately due to the lack of notice these icons now have. Same with Thana and Dying Light.
I also notice I have much less awareness of my survivor's health states. Before it was very easy to know the exact moment another survivor was hit as the icons would glows for a small duration when the state changed. Now it overlays the injured state over the survivor portrait, but the portrait doesn't glow up to bring attention to it.
Overall the UI feels very uninformative. The information is there, but it doesn't try to bring your attention to the important information.
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Most of the problems are.
Even the hitbox problem has not been that bad. It also screws the killer over sometimes too, I was swinging right through survivors and hitting generators when they were on them lol.
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Boy oh boy, I'm in a mood, so here. We. Go!
But I've already adjusted to it, and that means pretty much anyone can.Just because you adjusted to something that is bad doesn't mean that the bad thing is good. I can adjust to a belt being on too tightly and rubbing me wrong while doing my job, but that doesn't mean it's a good thing. In any case, it's not a matter of "adjusting to bad". It's a matter of something needing improvement and a passionate community voicing that issue. If anything, it's a good thing that the community is so together in bringing this up, because it shows they care and that the normal bias issues aren't present. Furthermore, UIs/HUDs are a big deal in games. The original UI was very well designed on account of it's simplicity. The new one being all over the place and scattered looks like you're trying to play a game while you also have the K/D score pulled up on the side. It's silly.
But to say that the game is "unplayable", to say that it's "ruined", to say that it's "dead" because of a UI change is just ridiculous.Yes. It is ridiculous. It's also a tactic that goes as far back as all of mankind to make an overblown response to something in order to express your feelings on it. Some of the greatest minds in history have used this tactic for their own ends. A bunch of people playing cat and mouse on the internet is by no means above such methods.
Y'all are making the pushback against the Nurse nerf, the DS nerf, the bloodlust removal, the Balanced nerf, and everything else seem like nothing compared to this.It's a global issue that resonates with the entire community. Almost NOBODY likes the new HUD. It's barely debated, it's just accepted as being bad. As stated earlier, this is actually a big deal, as the community is almost entirely behind the opinion. For the devs, this is actually a bit of a good thing, because they can see EVERYONE disliking the change and go "Oh, this isn't some bias thing with one side or another, everyone agrees we need to change it". That gives them a clear and obtainable goal without having to worry about upsetting people with a good fix. Other changes, such as balance changes, will always have fans and detractors based on how they are affected. The HUD is almost ALL detractors. It's a clear sign to the devs that they need to improve it.
If y'all were up in arms about actual important issues the game has instead of being petty and choosing sides all the time, I'm sure DBD would be much better right about now.People are "up in arms" about all kinds of issues, all the time. This one simply has global appeal. It's also not THAT hard to fix. I have personally worked on UIs/HUDs in the past, and am currently designing one for a small project. They aren't hard to manipulate so long as you know what you are working with. If BHVR can fix this and make a new layout that everyone agrees is an improvement, then some of the more divisive issues stand a better chance of being addressed, as the devs have shown they are more up to the task.
In closing, you're shaming people for wanting quality out of something they paid for. You're shaming them for agreeing that something is bad and needs improvement. You're telling people they should just accept things that are not up to standard. If everyone had YOUR mindset, the community would be dull and unable to bring up potential changes to improve the game, because they'd be too busy "adjusting to it". You're mindset and actions are the problem, not the people that rightfully pointed out an issue with global appeal.
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Thanks for this response- you nailed my thoughts and feelings about the post. The shaming is so unnecessary and hate how it takes the stance of, 'It's all just in your head'. Think you covered it all 👍
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There's a difference between a QoL change and a bug fix. Nothing was wrong with the old UI, they simply wanted to update it to look sleeker, and they did. I'm with OP on this one; the crying for this UI change is embarrassing in itself.
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Just because you're a minority doesn't mean the community disapproval is exaggerated but thanks for the input.
I suppose we should also be grateful our feedback about the ui in the PTB was not only ignored but no communication was made about it before the update went live too right? We should be pretty well content it was nothing but silence in terms of communication?
Also you could say the ui wasn't the only offending thing in the patch but I feel working remotely for BHVR is causing extra issues but at this point what ever is going on doesn't matter to me. The Twins update was pretty bad and while this one is no where near that in terms of stuff breaking it's still pretty irritating to deal with on a somewhat frequent manner. If you choose to ignore the bugs and distaste for the new features made by the majority then what ever I'll just use my time on other things.
Personally - Here's why I dislike the UI if you feel it's just complaining to complain.
- Everything is too scattered about in nonlogical positions - Why is each objective and ui element on its own specific part of the screen? Everywhere you look there is a UI element eating the screen
- The survivor portraits make the UI look unfinished - First off if BHVR is going to add survivor portraits at least show what cosmetics each survivor has equipped because if you're going to add that extra noise on screen then go all the way. Personally I feel the portraits would look better in black and white so some clothing the survivors wear don't clash with UI elements too heavily. It's bad enough that the clean silhouettes BHVR used to distinguish injuries was replaced with a random red slash. It looks bad just in general.
- I can easily explain away why all the bad things are present and how BHVR could have fixed it. The generator is at the top so BHVR could add text to the objective - This looks bad because the ICON moves when a hatch appears and disappears if closed. It looked better prior at the bottom left because this wasn't an issue. It just looks sloppy this way.
3b. - This is the same reason the survivor portraits are at the top left - So usernames can be visible in larger font instead of being scrunched at the bottom left. Thing is they could have kept the portraits / names down at the bottom left and just instead of having the portraits side by side they stacked them vertically as is now. Then they could have placed the generator icon beneath all the survivor icons.
3c. - If showing text was mandatory they should have kept it hidden by default and added a button to toggle text. Pretty sure the tab button and the back button on controllers is unused and would have been fine. This could have been used for objectives, names and other things. Instead our screen has to suffer and be cluttered.
4.-- Debuffs are just harder to read in general
5.-- Placement of UI elements at the top of the screen is bad at least in a game like this. There's barely any vertical movement and most movement is low to the grass where a killers eyes should be focused. This is why there should be less reasons to trail your eyes away from that area. As killer this game doesn't give you enough time even for momentary distractions off screen. Just in general though the placements of everything is nauseating.
6.-- They said this new ui was necessary which hey if they needed to change the backend on how its coded sure that's fair but to rollout such drastic changes to the placement of the UI elements after such negative feedback I genuinely don't know what to say at this point. I'm normally not on the boat that BHVR ignores most feedback but this I can't really turn my head to.
Anyways there's my personal reasons but hey I'm glad you enjoy the UI. Enjoy playing the game I have better things to do then to get a headache while playing a game I paid for.
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Its not. They didn't listen and did it anyways. People make it sound like there weren't concepts made for how to make the UI better and what specifically are the issues with the UI. Things that are easily fixable. Me personally the animation flaws combined with the terrible UI that makes scores tiny/screen cluttered/######### hook counter for killer, and the bugs (I will NOT play with these ######### map bugs) are why I won't play. Calling it crying to criticize the way they went about it is immature. Yes people will say something if something they spent money for doesn't meet their standard. The one thing that can be said is that the UI is just a last nail in the coffin for some on top of a mountain of other issues that get sidelined or handled in a way that satisfies literally no one on the game. Just another example of being out of touch with the majority of players regardless of platform.
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Entitlement at it's finest. YOU do not decide what is small. YOU do not decide what people adjust to.
When you have the majority of the community, their OWN sponsored streamers/team, discord mods, and others saying the UI is all over the place and not good... you can not come here and just think it's nothing. Cool, you don't care. We don't care that you don't care.
You can not compare this to Nurse, DS, or ANY BALANCE RELATED THING. This is the USER INTERFACE. This is something that can not be turned off or changed. It lives with the player every second they play the game. The complaints are legitimate. Stop making false equivalents for your lackluster points.
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People make it sound like there weren't concepts made for how to make the UI better and what specifically are the issues with the UI.
Also reminds me of the people who are making it sound like there is a wave of unwarranted hate speech towards BHVR where the majority of the PTB forums were seemingly mean spirited. The majority of the post in the PTB were thoughtful and constructive and we have a bunch of people on these forums white knighting and complaining that BHVR doesn't deserve the hate they're getting and that we're ungrateful.
What hate? Yeah a good chunk of the community is frustrated but that only came after seemingly most of the feedback was ignored and BHVR stayed silent. It's also like the majority of the people doing this didn't even participate in the PTB. Even some people scolding people complaining are all like "Yeah the UI isn't great but that's no reason to complain".
No words to describe how I feel about some people defending this right now tbh. If they like it that's great but it's to a point where people are making up lies just so they look good because they're a minority.
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Thank you very much.I'm tired of people shaming the community for bringing valid criticism
If y'all were up in arms about actual important issues the game has instead of being petty and choosing sides all the time, I'm sure DBD would be much better right about now.
Do you know how MANY posts and discussion we had about the state of optimization (especially on console) and BHVR still decided to do NOTHING?
I'm sorry but your mindset is horrible.
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I mean the new UI is great for me. In the bottom left where you used to have all your game information you now see your killer's power and the add ons you brought. That's information I would have never been able to figure out at any point prior to the match so thanks to muscle memory I always know what rarity of add on I brought. It's great.
Then if you look at the bottom right you have the old tried and true perks. That's a classic.
The only thing I would really change is I would make the useful information in the top left even smaller, or get rid of it all together. Things like that and the generators remaining are in the right spot being out of eyesight most of the match and who needs that information anyway.
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I disagree that on a PC its ok....it is not with a monitor of any size.
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I don't feel like one side or the other is ruined, am I allowed to have an opinion regarding the fact certain elements of killer powers are now hard on my eyes to read?
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Try it on an 85 inch from your couch. It sucks
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It's really not though. It's objectively bad design. If there is no extreme outcry, there is no change. Not hard to understand.
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Im alright with the UI ngl, I just hope that if/when the Devs change the UI again I'd have to adjust to it again which I can't be bothered doing but I don't mind it changing as long as the community is happy I'm happy :s
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They tried to fix something that didn't need fixing and made it a lot worse.
Out of all of the complaining the community does, I didn't see anyone complaining about the old UI. The change is completely unnecessary. Same with animations, another unnecessary change.
Its like the Devs hate the game that we've played and loved for years. First graphical overhauls of maps. Which is fine, but many are too dark now. It would also be nice to keep an old map or 2 as is for nostalgic reasons (with minor balancing tweaks). Then the flashlight animation change that no one asked for. Now survivor animation, perspective and UI changes no one asked for.
All of these core changes add up and make the game feel less familiar to me.
Next they'll overhaul The Trapper into Jason.
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I gave you an explanation why and you clearly barely read it and then nitpicked a small part of what I wrote. The irony is that I said the problem is the bigger picture.
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Well I was having a discussion and you're having a character analysis.
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Yeah, it took me a whole 1 match before I could comfortably play with the UI. Everything important is in the left side of the screen too. I don't like the new UI, but it doesn't have me foaming at the mouth like it does with some people
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I did read your explanation, and it went nowhere other than the same excuse of "nobody asked for it" and "they should have been fixing bugs instead". I'm certain they do both fixes and QoL simultaneously, as they can split off people in their teams to perform such things. Nobody asked for it? That's perfectly fine, because they weren't giving the option to choose. Being criticized for something you even say is small in itself when it probably is more complex than it looks is petty at best.
All things considered, they are changing it anyway because the community both refuses change and nitpicks the littlest things about it that somehow makes it game breaking. I mean hey, there's always room for improvement and the devs are taking full priority of it, but the way the community responded to this "issue" is very childish.
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