The DS change looks good but...

I understand you crystal clear. Your point is irrelevant and your math is dubious at best.

Comprehension not something you’ve worked on? My point was to explain the new DS which it did and I didn’t use any math, so mathematics you’ve not learnt either?

Okay answer this simple question, roughly as a percentage, how often as a survivor do you get tunnelled? Or if you don’t play survivor, then a rough estimate of how often you think a general survivor gets tunnelled?

Why are you avoiding the question? I’ve just asked for an estimate

They should make it a ten second stun, because literally the only way you're going to get hit with ds is if you literally tunnel off the hook, which should be severely discouraged. Also Noone is going to be using it so who cares.

Can this game get any easier for killers or what? Pretty soon there won't be any survivors left for you casuals to kill.

There are many perks and addons that give a survivor the obsession. The only info an obsession gives right now, is that someone is running something related to obsessions. Which used to be massive information back in the day, but right now there are so many things that can give you an obsession that there isnt really any argument on not having it in a match. Especially considering obsessions gain extra bloodpoints, for no real reason.

Besides that, having an obsession in the match, gives a killer a reason to not tunnel regardless of there actually being DS in the match or not. If there are 0 obsessions, there is nothing holding a killer back from directly tunnelling off hook and rushing a kill before the first 2 gens popped. Considering killers like Spirit, Wraith, Freddy, Nurse and Deathslinger can essentially keep their TR outside the hook range, preventing BT from triggering, that is an instakill. That is 2016 style DBD and that style was nerfed heavily with the introduction of Laurie and Bill.

Essentially, the positives of having a standard obsession in the game heavily outweigh the negatives. It allows survivors to not run DS and run much weaker perks to have a little fun, without having to fear being tunneled out of the game within 2 minutes(especially considering matchmaking can last 15 minutes, its not fun for any player to wait 30 minutes only to have 2 matches that last 2 minutes, unless you want Old BNP back so that killers can face the same short matches again).

I mean, if everyone runs DS any game anyway, there would be no difference in having a standard obsession. As for obsession related things that killers run quite often:

Perks: STBFL, PWYF, Nemesis(in conjunction with PWYF), Rancor(not common in the past month, but prior to past month it was there about 20% of the matches)

Offerings: Black Box and Judith's Journal.

And I would claim you're actually wrong with experimenting in lower levels. I personally am at a level with certain killers and as survivor where I dont really need perks to really win games. So I run perks that are more mindgamey than pressuring objectives(think of running Deception, Q&Q, Lithe and Dance with Me as survivor, or using Furtive Chase+PWYF on a T2 Myers with Dead Rabbit. And yes, that includes sweaty SWF's who run OoO). I think people truly start experimenting with perks and/or addons once they are skilled enough to hold their own without relying on perks and/or addons.

And yes, slugging is more fun than being rushed out of a game. If there is no DS, odds are quite high that I only get 6k points and get a depip. Being slugged gives you the oppertunity to get back in the game and actually have a chance of gaining a black pip before you die, in addition of gaining more bp. The issue with slugging has no direct connection to the issue with gaining free kills due to a lack of obsession. Slugging can be annoying in any scenario, tunneling is downright depipping survivors and not getting any BP from a match that took 10 minutes to get in.

The objective is to prevent survivors from escaping, tunneling tends to lead to a genrush which leads to 3 survivors escaping. That's not objective focussed. So tunneling 1 survivor leads to you losing the game, where objective focussed killers tunneling tend to only tunnel later in game when they need someone dead to prevent more gens from being done. As for gens, its more like not finishing the final gen in favor of doing totems to prevent NOED, for example, or opening chests to get an item that might be beneficial. Focussing on gens as survivor all the time can end up being negative when a killer has control. Focussing on gens only works when survivors have control and the survivor. Just as a killer tunneling only really works when survivors are in control and there is someone on hook, but tunneling when the killer is in control is a heavy risk as you hand the control to survivors. So yes, if tunneling is the absolute only way of gaining an advantage, its fine, just as slugging is fine if you absolutely need to have pressure on different parts of the map(preferably one dead on hook on one side being slugged with the other one being on hook on the opposite side of the map while starting a chase with someone else, because killing a dead on hook survivor can sometimes reduce pressure).

Because obsession itself is essentially worthless, other than the extra 1k or 1.5k it gives? Dont tell me the bloodpoints are an issue, because survivor bloodpoint gains suck. In fact, thats another reason to add it, because it guarantees additional bloodpoints. IN FACT, Nemesis has a very weird mechanic where it can start with 0 obsessions(which is 100% useless as there are no perks that suddenly get better or worse when there is an obsession without creating an obsession). Besides, playing efficiently and tunneling do not belong in the same sentence. If you tunnel, you're not playing efficiently. If tunneling pays off, you're simply facing survivors who are not willing to play sweaty. You're already getting punished for tunneling in a competitive setting by survivors simply genrushing instead.

And no, obsessions do not affect base gameplay, because like you said: the base gameplay is that survivors use DS. Meaning its not part of the generic basekit for there to be no obsession. In fact, the lack of obsession is what truly affects base gameplay, since a lot of lower skilled killers(yes, lower skilled, higher skilled killers never really abuse a lack of obsession and in the few cases that they do, it wouldnt have mattered anyway) just decide to rush kills instead. Hemorrhage actively increases information, obsessions, as I have stated before, do not. Hemorrhage basekit literally make scratchmarks useless. If you want hemorrhage basekit, you need to fully remove scratchmarks. Where as making obsession basekit, doesnt really affect gameplay that much.

You're literally comparing a constant output of information in chase that removes any mindgaming compared to information that MIGHT give away a single perk, which, if I may remind you, will probably be worthless information with the OoO rework which would make OoO a baseline perk. On top of that, there are already plenty obsession related perks that are used commonly enough to make the info worthless. Hemorrhage might not be the greatest effect in game, but that is because there are no addons or perks other than Sloppy Butcher that give it value. Hemorrhage is amazingly powerful as a side effect, but it isnt worth a slot on its own. The indication of an obsession barely gives any information other than a tiny risk of DS, which is good. There are already tons of powerful perks that are a risk without any indication: Unbreakable, Bloodwarden, Noed, Dead Hard, Sprintburst, Adrenaline, or even addons like instakill Myers, iri head huntress, tampered timer on Pig. Why is DS the odd one out here? You're literally complaining about a tiny side effect that forces people to remember that DS is a thing, which is already the case 99.999999999% of the time. So why does that 0.000000001% of games affect gameplay in any measurable way? Where Hemorrhage is barely used because of its poor implementation on potentially good perks(IMO, the following perks and addons should come with hemorrhage baseline: Coulrophobia, Cruel Limits Forced Penance, Iron Maiden, Knock-Out, Trapper's traps should have it baseline, or have Serrated and Rusted Jaws be the same addon, Compound 21 should add it onto injured survivors nearby, Rusty Needle and Weighty Rattle from Twins should be 1 addon(essentially, any killers that have Mangled and Hemorrhage or Broken and Hemorrhage seperated in the same effect should have it be 1 singular addon so I am not going to mention other killers anymore), Speedlimiter, Scratched and Vanity Mirror, Leprose Lichen, Rusted Spike, Honey Locust Thorn, Any Emetic addon on Plague, Father's Glasses, Splintered Hull). I agree that Hemorrhage needs a bigger implementation in the game because most perks or addons having it are practically not worth running, let alone running it together with Bloodhound. But Hemorrhage is far too powerful to make it baseline, as it would completely negate scratchmarks.

So in short: we're literally comparing something here that is already baseline in 99.999999999% of the games, whether it be killer perks, survivor perks, killer addons or survivor addons(wedding ring is quite good). People actively use green keys with wedding ring just for the sake of not being forced to run DS. This is like killers being forced to run Ruin because toolboxes are OP. Nerfing Ruin meant nerfing toolboxes.