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I was browsing Steam, until I came across the DBD Reviews... yikes.. Are the devs aware of this?

Pilot
Pilot Member Posts: 1,158
edited February 2021 in General Discussions

Thoughts?

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Amongst this, I found these kind of reviews

They're pretty much all over the place and feel like they heavily inflate the reviews this game should have.

Then you have an entire essays of negative reviews where people have played for thousands of hours and start pouring out their anger and frustration with BHVR, at the very least, with the recent update.

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Comments

  • lolibaba
    lolibaba Member Posts: 7

    I think the review on steam are accurate most of the player who play are addicted to the game

  • Aven_Fallen
    Aven_Fallen Member Posts: 16,331

    I mean, the Reviews were followed by an updated HUD. The Devs dont communicate unless it is urgent.

    Whether it be colorblind (large Twitteraccount calling them out) or the HUD (Reviewbombing).

    The lack of communication is a huge problem (e.g. it would have been far better if they would have just showed WIPs of the Colorblind-Mode or WIPs of the new HUD before forcing it through..), but it is getting better (seeh OoO-proposal).

  • Pilot
    Pilot Member Posts: 1,158

    the OOO and DS change might be two steps forward, but knowing BHVR, they might follow with 3 or 4 steps backwards.

    We shall see.

    For me, I'll be waiting to see how they handle the Farm maps rework & Freddy / Huntress rework. For huntress, at least her addons. I don't find her problematic but that's what I've heard. Billy had problematic addons and now they limited his power, wonder what's in the store for those two...

  • SocialDistomancy
    SocialDistomancy Member Posts: 1,319
    edited February 2021

    Yeah when a game even comes to steam any more these days, it's often bad and I find reading the reviews more entertaining and fun than the games themselves these days. a lot of the cyberpunk reviews disappointed me though. I was expecting more backlash but they were pretty chilla bout it on steam lol. DBD's reviews since the hitbox/movements patch though... very entertaining.

  • Pilot
    Pilot Member Posts: 1,158
    edited February 2021

    I was reading Cyberpunk reviews myself a moment ago.

    Not pretty.

    Was also checking out Valheim reviews, they always crack me up

  • Aven_Fallen
    Aven_Fallen Member Posts: 16,331

    I am not talking about gameplay. I am talking about communication. The Object-Rework was something which was happening at some point (I said it basically right after they said that it was fine that it will be changed in the future, because Devs change their opinion (which is a good thing overall)), but it is new that they give a proposal to get Feedback.

    They did not do that before.

    Like I said, people were asking for Colorblind Mode for years and then BHVR is releasing a new HUD which was even worse for colorblind people in the PTB and only after all this outcry happened with one Developer and they get called out by some big Twitteraccount, THEN they show the WIP. If they had something to show, they should have showed it before.

    This way, they can also be defended by people who actually want to defend them. Like, I am quite positive with the Devs, but if someone complains about Colorblind Mode, all someone like myself can say is "Devs know about it". Thats it. But when they show WIPs on regular basis, you can actually show stuff.

    Same with the HUD, they said they were working on it several months, but if they want to make such a big change, they should have shown WIPs - this would also result in more Feedback and those negative Reviews would not have happened to such an extend.

    Also, regarding the HUD, they said that there were limitations which what they were able to implement with the old HUD. But they did not show anything - if you want people to think positive about new things you should show the cool stuff.


    Like I said, lack of communication is a big problem. Even if WIPs get scrapped at some point, the more reasonable people will understand that.

  • ZaKzan
    ZaKzan Member Posts: 544

    When they presented the colorblind testing to that twitter account, it just looked like they spent 10 minutes in photoshop altering screenshots. Further evidence of this fact is shown by what Almo said about colorblind mode and saying along the lines that it wasn't a priority and if 'they' as in BHVR wanted the devs to do it, the devs would be working on it.

    So they either threw Almo under the bus or they actually weren't working on a colorblind mode 'for months' and just lied about working on it. When you listen to his response, it definitely does not seem he knows whatsoever about any work being done on colorblind mode.

    I'd say to just not trust BHVR when they give you a timeframe on how long they've been working on certain issues, because it seems they are more than willing to just lie about it, even at the expense of their own employees.

  • Aven_Fallen
    Aven_Fallen Member Posts: 16,331

    The thing is, adding Colorblind Mode to an existing game which does not have Colorblind Mode does indeed take time. It is not as easy as some people might think it is. So it is entirely possible that they were working on it for a while, but then again, they could have shown it.

  • ZaKzan
    ZaKzan Member Posts: 544

    But the issue at hand is that one of the devs didn't seem to know that it was being worked on. I'm not saying it doesn't take time. I'm just saying that it's likely they weren't actually working on a colorblind mode and they just threw something together to appease the masses. The little evidence that we do have is one of the devs alluding to the fact that they weren't currently working on a colorblind mode and that they would be if BHVR wanted them to.

    Since their updates are in 3 month intervals, they can very easily throw something together last minute and tell everyone they've been working months on it and that it's not ready just yet for the current patch, and that it will be out in a future patch 3-6 months down the road.

    Just basing on the amount of bad information that comes out of BHVR, they are either an intentionally malicious company, or their work environment is incredibly unhealthy and compartmentalized and not conducive to a successful company.

  • Aven_Fallen
    Aven_Fallen Member Posts: 16,331

    I mean, either he did not know about it or he was not allowed to say something. NDAs are a tricky thing and can be quite uncomfortable, even tho I only know it from a personal point of view (e.g. if someone is talking to me about a topic where I have more knowledge than them, but cannot tell them because I am under NDA). I can imagine it is even more uncomfortable when you are livestreaming and everyone can see that afterwards.

    And, to defend Almo here, there are some people in the community who think that he wants to ruin the game, so they wait for something to clip on his channel. Who knows how often he got asked about Colorblind-Mode in the past. It would have happened anyway at some point that he said something that people can use against him.

    But yes, whether he was under NDA or did not know because nobody informed him, BHVR could have avoided it, this is correct.

    When it comes to believing how long they have been working on it - there is no way to know. They could be lying or they could be telling the truth, I rather assume the latter, I like to think positive (even if I am too positive at some point).

  • ZaKzan
    ZaKzan Member Posts: 544

    If Almo was under NDA, then it would have been better for him to not even address the question altogether, or address it in another way. He could have even acknowledged the question and said that he cannot answer anything on that due to a NDA.

    There's a bit of an issue when it comes to censoring, moderating, deplatforming people, it tends to create more pushback despite efforts to silence them. This is what has happened to DBD. There wouldn't be people that want to get back at BHVR if BHVR didn't help create and fuel an environment where such hatred and disrespect of the company would be fostered. This is regardless whether or not you agree with their decisions with the game, what comes into play is the fact that the community doesn't think their feedback is heard by BHVR.

    They just dig themselves into deeper and deeper holes and every patch is 1 step forward 2 steps back.

  • Ghoste
    Ghoste Member Posts: 2,135
    edited February 2021

    I'm one of those recent reviews. I've played a couple thousand hours and never felt it necessary to share my thoughts, but the last couple updates finally compelled me. It seems a lot of players reached their tipping point.

    Also since we're posting screenshots:

    Looks like they hit an all-time peak for negative reviews with patch 4.5.

  • Dabihwow
    Dabihwow Member Posts: 3,409

    You should've seen the reviews for A binding of Kin, they were worse

  • Yords
    Yords Member Posts: 5,781

    If anything that is good, the devs will have to acknowledge that their game is in need of fixing. You know, because they couldn't tell otherwise with several content creators (even fog whisperers), the whole forums, and literally everyone else saying that the game needs to be fixed.

  • KajdanKi
    KajdanKi Member Posts: 219

    well steam opinions are the only way to push devs to put some effort into their work and actually listen to community.


    Bad comments = less new ppl, less money.


    I watched stream and well... they sounded very rude like the patch goes on no matter what - nobody knows anymore what ptb is for.

    I like this game but since this patch is very unplayable for survivor mains.


    PS: How many people work in Behavior? 3? a little more?