Killer Mains and their idea of "Balance"

I dont think balancing around 2k or 50/50 is a good idea only because it'll make the game easier for high ranks. What people don't seem to understand though is that kill percentage means nothing. Anything can happen in a match for example the survivor could dc, give up on hook, crash during the game, afk, or just be completely bad at looping. With the mori nerf im sure kill percentage has gone down a bit. The game should reward good loopers a bit more though.

But mostly survivors will cry if killer is using strong perks and strong addons.

According to survivors who I have played against, nurse without slowdowns and just tracking is unfair, nurse with slowdowns and 2 tracking is unfair.

Oni with M&A and IF is unbalanced and unfair.

Trapper with corrupt and pop + trapper bag is unfair.

Wraith with all seeing (purple) is unfair.

Hag, boring.

Freddy, boring.

Billy boring.

Huntress unfair with sniper builds.

Demo unfair with stbfl.

Pig unfair and boring with stbfl + combat pig.

Ghosty unfair (yes I've seen people complain about him).

Myers most fun addons are unfair.

If you as a killer use strong stuff you are the bad guy, but if a survivor has full meta perks then it's all good.

That is just basing from my experience on the game and this is from someone who started early in 2018.

And you are missing my point.

It is a terrible financial decision for them to ignore this aspect of the game. Competitive play is what keeps games alive for a long time. If they don't do it, a competitor will. And games are already trying to do the asymmetrical thing again. It is only a matter of time until one succeeds and this game dies.

I definitely do not aim for 4 kills every match despite being competitive. I just want the game to reward my skill when using playing a killer. For example, if 12 out of 15 phase walks as spirit, I land a hit and I am decimating the survivor in a chase, I expect to be winning that match. I think most killers want their efforts to be rewarded whether it is landing nurse blinks, landing clown bottles or using wraith stealth effectively.

Its the same for survivor, survivor expect to escape when they're outplaying the killer and winning the chases. depending on teammates, you should be able to get unhooks, heals and complete generators when your survivor team is doing well in chases. Its just that most of the time, Survivors are able to escape even when half the team was not playing very well and being able to effectively use a killer power often yields no reward when survivors are playing well and it has little impact on the match(as vast majority of killer powers are really bad/easy to counter-play).

As people have already stated, Kill rate is nothing more than a final result. Its not good statistic for balance. Its only good statistic for finding out how good a specific player is at playing that killer(assuming no facecamping, noed etc.). Average hooks and hook progression is a way better statistic for judging average balance of the game. Ideally a killer should get 7-8 hooks on average per game, however how many hooks a killer gets is based off survivor's skill in a chase & coordination on generators. If everyone really skilled at the chase and optimize the objective(as a team), than a killer will not get many hooks. Stronger killers have more opportunity to set up mindgames(opportunities to get hits), so the killer's skill matters more and has more input on outcome of a match. weaker killers less input on the match and often their abilities/tools they have to work with either do not work(too easy to hard-counter) or are ineffective/not rewarding to use in general.

devs should not focus on statistics, they should focus on gameplay interaction between the killer/survivor above all else. I am not sure how I would describe this, but the other important aspect should be to focus on functionality of the creation in gameplay over its effectiveness. If something is meant to be good at stealth, than it should focus on being very good at stealth and not worry about its overall statistic in relation to others. These two factors preserve fun aspect of the game and fun should be major goal for both sides.

To be honest everyone has there own opinion and what some class as balance others won't regardless of what changes same with all things I guess, but for me in a game where most ppl class escaping as a win or killing all 4 as a win I put to them if the killer ends the game with 3 kills and 1 guy escapes who then has won? Is it the survivor or the killer? Let's face it it doesn't really matter for me I want to win but with this game there is no clear what is a win as is it pips or kills for me I look at the points if I'm survivor and the whole team gets killed but at the end say I have the most points as all that killer has done is camped and tunneled and teammates have been over altruistic I'd be like we'll be ain't won look at his ######### score but like every1 we all have our views but for me where there is no clear and concise win I use points as more of a realistic benchmark for who won as if I haven't done enough on either side then I have lost like I say that's just my opinion

As a killer main but as someone who also plays survivor I agree with you. It makes me cringe when killer mains moan about not getting a 4k every match. I want balance but not balance to favour killers ACTUAL balance in the game where neither side as a ridiculous edge for some reason other than skill. All I can say is please don't think all killer mains are like this, they represent us badly

I usually get 4k kill most of the time with Freddy he 2tiers I leveled him up mostly

Yeah but usually you have to work to try to actually get those 2 left in early game

Don't waste your time responding to him. You'll only give yourself a headache. Just look at their comment history and you will understand.

Which is boosted, but when it's Killer nerf time... Stats.

But when we look at them same stats, Nurse has a weak kill rate and pick rate. She should be buffed based on this information, but ya know... Stats only matter in a nerf.

I'd be satisfied when ranking is fair and survivors don't act like toxic little children.

Both sides cry my dude. These forums are proof of that. Survivors cry as much as killers. Both sides get equally butt hurt about things.

Do we need to bring up ALL the quotes from any given social media platform the devs use and survivors crying bloody murder about how this and that killer needs to be nerfed if not removed at all, and when you dig deeper for their reasoning it turns out they deem killer broken because they can't run them easily/in general can't apply their uninspired 'endless loops chase' approach?

But seriously now:

The issue is with entitles brats on both sides: Players who demand an 'iWin' button. Survivors who seem to only think the game is good if they can insta-finish gens and insta-wiggle off while stunning the killer for the entire match, and killers who want a 4k by so much as looking at the dbd icon on their desktop/dashboard.

And it's these brats that drown out the genuine helpful feedback. Things like why the killrate with freddy/bubba/spirit is off-balance, reasons why certain perks need to be overhauled etc. The brats just drown them out. Be angry at those people, not the rest

For me, it isn't stress. It's lackluster end of game. I really don't care if I escape, though it is nice to do so. It does suck though to lead the Killer on a long, end chase that allows whatever other remaining survivors there are to get out, and though you've been active in the game the whole time, the reward is a pittance.

I suppose the intention is to feed into the decision to play altruistically or not and I can respect that intention, but as you say, it would be more fun and probably more engaging to have efforts like that have a bonus reward.

I imagine that Killers can have similar frustrations.

Absolutely. I'm more interested in a quality match/chase.

If the match is going my way I have no problems giving up the hatch or gate. I've walked people gen to gen and let them out if it ended up too one sided.

Doesn't get returned as much because I've def been beat up by Srv's but there are some out there that will which is always appreciated.

Is there any way to track kill/escape rate ?

There is not really any metric that shows who has won, and it's hard to find any metric that shows how balanced the game is. In general, you shouldn't play this game to win. We just have to accept that Dbd can be very unrewarding and punishes mistakes quite harsh. This game is hugely momentum based. I had games were i played very bad as killer (or let's say, i got a map like Ormond, survs did gens and i couldn't pressure enough due to the map being too big) and suddenly in end game i could turn the tide because they ######### up a save and i slugged everyone. Or if the killer suddenly decides to chase that god Meg and the last 2 gens, while being in a bad position, just pop, even though he had an early kill in the match.

Kills doesn't mean that you played good, the same goes for escapes. If the killer camps his 2 only hooks (that he had in endgame) to his 2 only kills, does it mean the match was balanced?

Or if you get 10 hooks but only 2 kills, what does that mean? Some would say, it means the killer dominated the match. For me, that means that you either don't care about kills or that you are a BAD killer - because killer is not just about doing good chases and mindgames - it's also about management and game sense. If you don't manage your hooks even though survivors only have 2 or 1 gens to do, you don't know how to play killer efficiently. I know, sometimes survivors manage to magically draw your attention to that one Feng who hasn't been hooked yet. But as a killer, you should know when to "tunnel" or "camp" (given that you're a sweaty tryhard), because killing someone is the greatest form of pressure for the killer in this game.

That's the whole problem if you wanna Ballance something look at the pros don't make everything easy for noobs since it becomes broken for pros. Devs will never achieve any balance with currect tactic using some kill rates is stupid ask pros. I myself am rank 1 piggy main piggy is so bad killer that I win only because of my game knowledge and intelligence. I would say that I have 90-% kill rate not counting amount of people I let go just because I feel sorry for them.

My record is 20 or so 4 k's in the row tho to be honest most of the survs I meet suck at the game and are overconfident. Maybe in 1 in 20 games I meet 1 good survivor and 1 in 60 games a good swf which can f me hard. To balance this game whole stupid looping must be reworked to the point in which it can be easy enough for the noob and not be just running from one pallet to the another forcing killer to change a target. How would I affect that? Add some events happening on the map extra objectives power ups abilities something like that game rn is just not good and can be easily exploited especially for poor m1 killers not even mentioning stupid mechanic of undetectable in which you are being detected by perks spine chill etc just moonwalking xd reminds me of old legion. I would gladly do something good with the balance of this game but it's the core that's is corrupted without implementing new mechanic's changing few numbers would never make this game balanced but what Am I expecting from people not playing their own game they don't know what they are doing