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Gen speed too fast? Hackers? Totem spawns are awful? What is the cause?
So since the Undying Nerf and UI overhaul I've been having issues with gen speed...
And sure you can say well just pressure better, play better, bad killer etc... But I'm sorry to tell you that I've been a consistent rank 1 killer and recently red rank survivor. Yes. I play both sides.
So what's my issue? Well. With the New 15% efficiency penalty wiki says gens take:
~80s for 1 surv, ~47.06 seconds for 2, and ~38.1 seconds for 3.
I'm perfectly fine with the speed for 3 since it's outright wasted potential on another gen unless it's in the endgame or something, again at which point if all 4 survs are alive and you're chasing 1, they should absolutely be together on the 1 gen. That's just good gameplay and something I would endorse while playing surv myself. 2 People taking 47s however is kinda scuffed, and that's before any additional bonuses like Prove Thyself which negates the penalty, toolboxes, the fact survs can spawn on both totems and gens etc.'. Now I don't wanna complain too much because of how good Ruin is, but Ruin can be disabled at which gen speed becomes 0.25cs regression...As in a solo survivor can fully fix 4 generators in the time you naturally regress 1 without any extra perks.
Factor in the time between finding survs, landing 2 hits, hooking them and that you only take away a painfully minimal time gain at best if not a complete time loss literally doing your objective to win, then the fact survs can heal freely without a perk, take you to extremely inefficient parts of the map, gain x amount of time with deadhard, sprint burst, DS, Unbreakable, coordinate on discord etc etc... Maybe players just got better? I certainly had to sweat for 4ks even with Ruin/Undying combo beforehand.... But as of right now it not only feels easier to play surv but outright DISGUSTINGLY more difficult to play Killer.
AND NOW for whatever reason gens just feel wayyyy too fast after the undying nerf and UI update. Maybe it's the lunar event enticing people to be on gens for the extra BP, I know at a typical 3k BP per gen pop (given how common lunar papers are) I'm not inclined to be chased or look for totems as surv.
But recently the more killer games I play... the more hackers I've run into. Very obvious ones. Using Exhaustion perks multiple times within 40seconds, instantly recovering multiple times, instant gens, stunning me for 30+ seconds with Head On, never running out of flashlight battery, permanently destroying hooks on the map (Thanks 2017). And it has me thinking, quite frankly if I can stream and even the obvious hackers don't give a ######### about punishment...what can the more subtle ones get away with?
Am I constantly playing with high rank players who got there with wallhacks and the ability to know where my totems and I am at all times? Am I chasing someone who has just that TINY bit more MS than they should? Are they healing just that little bit faster and doing just that bit extra prog on gens that it doesn't matter if I was getting consistent 4ks before the update, now I can barely scrape a 1k? Surely the undying nerf wasn't THAT harsh right? Surely I don't need to bring Corrupt Intervention, Ruin and Pop into every killer game just to last more than 5 minutes RIGHT?. Surely adding MORE BREAKABLE WALLS to maps was good?
Certainly we'll see what happens after the OoO and DS Nerfs towards gen speeds but... I don't even run those as Surv and I feel like I've been getting SO many 4man escapes recently. But I think something needs to be done at the very least with the anticheat to make it actually functional. Yes this is a multilayered post, Yes I'm salty about playing against a literal 4man team of hackers in red ranks while streaming knowing shitall will be done about them.
But it does have me feeling like I can't trust the game anymore because... if OBVIOUS hackers aren't getting banned... what are the subtle ones getting away with?
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You ever notice how slow survivors are at the lower ranks?
You ever imitate something you see survivors do against you and still reach that next pallet, but you don't even get close to it?
there are plenty of people cheating in this game.
insert BuT I HAvEn't sEEn a HaCkeR in 400 HoURs comment...
Recently i have started to notice survivors healing more than they should with med kits when the most they should do is 2 or at a stretch 3 heals before being depleted.
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Cosmetics first bro
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Gens havent changed at all. You got spoiled by undying and now cant play without it. Much like people who get sucked into using shadowborn.
If you were consistently rank killer before blights release, you can be again. If you werent, then you were carried by undying. Its that simple.
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I feel like this is the most disingenuous comment you can make, I was r1 killer back when killer was piss easy, as in a 2k would get u a pip and you could just hard camp a hook with someone like Billy, or running Insidious Bubba was a free pip. The changes they made to system encouraged you to actually play the game DESPITE the current gen speed, and the meta became running Ruin was to handle how fast gens were popping.
Pre Nerf Ruin was rough yes, being forced to hit 'great' Skill Checks or eat regression was bad. Nerfed ruin wasn't as bad but it at least gave value for leaving hooks to pursue people on gens, Ruin Undying was practically giving Ruin a second chance against soloq players and really didn't do a lot against coordinated teams that found both totems together.
Ruin Undying Is not and WAS not as bullshit as not nerfing DS in the same patch since gaining 4 minutes on Ruin/Undying was rng vs literally gaining 4minutes/4chases that can last longer than a minute just because u have the perk in a 4man where you can also co-ord your gen progression into being quite frankly less than the DS timer itself. DS as it stands now gives you almost an entire gen solo assuming you were left alone.
Undying was good yes, but even with maximum RNG/4players it's nowhere near the crutch that things like DS is. Quite frankly I'm upset that you can't think for yourself and spout nonsense like this in a public place.
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Sigh, BHVR always prioritizes cosmetics to bug fixes and quality fixes. That is why we got 5 new skins before the UI was fixed. You must be new to the game I take it?
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Similar to the above - totem spawns are just pure laziness.
It would be much more tolerable to see an undying nerf if totem locations were fixed, but what Fuzzels fails to grasp is that Undying covered for what, in many games, was instant-destruction of all of your hexes upon the start of a match. Now, you are +1, which frankly is often not good enough for Ruin.
Putting hex totems in an open field or right next to a Gen is a common occurance. How long would that take devs to fix - 5 minutes per map?
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Pretty sure that it is because the good survivors hold W in a straight line when leaving to another tile, it works very well.
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Most games consist of stupid survivors who are afraid of gens or find them too boring to do. I always play solo survivor and I did an average of 3 gens in 6 games today... I don't know ######### my team is doing all the time... Playing immersed and crouching everywhere. In that case the game is pretty balanced considering you are facing an average killer as well.
However, if survivors have more than one braincell and know that they should do gens and SPLIT UP so they get more gen pressure... the game becomes insanely fast and is unbalanced, even against a good killer. Together with crutch perks like DS, 2+ adrenalines with comps, BT, unbreakable, sprintburst, a good survivor map, etc its even more favored towards the survivor's side.
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youre calling ds- one of the only things you can do to prevent yourself being tunneled by a killer who's decided they don't like you- a crutch perk and yet you're accusing the person you're responding to of not being able to think for themselves?
yikes, honey. yikes.
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Imagine. Having so many options available to you in terms of strong loops, exhaustion perks, toolboxes with addons etc... let alone the fact there are 3 other people besides you in the game that can run the exact same perk PLUS a very generous 15second free 2nd life off hook, a stunning perk that piles ontop of DS and the forced stun with lockers, the ability to VC with every other survivor in the game and saying 'yikes' when even after it's nerf, will be used for toxic plays? The difference is? they can't progress the game while being toxic. You're one of those people that tbags a demo aren't you.
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I'm one of the people that plays a majority killer and the only reason I've played survivor recently is because queues were fast. Nice try but try again.
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So you're not good and just reaching for reactions. Got It. I'll be sure to ignore your opinions from now on because they were neither relevant to the original question which was to question gen speeds and the anticheat system, over your blatant 'ds is balanced because I need it to win chases' irrelevant response.
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The genspeed can be insane when survivor want to do gens. And movement from a survivor can make them look faster (hugging tiles etc). I experience that on console, too, and i play mostly without crossplay as killer.
But you can never be sure there isnt a cheater. Yesterday i played survivor with crossplay and had a cheater. It really wasnt obvious at the start. He played normal and first used a instagen after 2 minutes. Later he started flying etc and everyone could see that he was a cheater. But a cheater could easily play without showing it, if he would want it.
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Darn guess I'm not rank 1 and didn't just hit devotion 12 yesterday guess I'm just bad.
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This is what i'm talking about, the players 'cheating' can be cheating without it being obvious... Not every 'cheater' needs to insta touch gens and constantly spam indications. The games anticheat is so poor that I can't believe things are not cheating anymore. I know the timing for gens with x amount of people, I know the MS vs my own killer MS. Adding extra pallets and doors while nerfing Undying yet not touching DS/OoO in the same patch. It's too difficult to know anymore if people are actually cheating if it's not blatant, gens feel TOO fast even playing as legit surv, totem spawns feel too obvious. I'm still playing in red ranks but nothing feels viable enough to counteract players before undying nerfs, and im running into more and more BLATANT cheaters even while recording VIDEO EVIDENCE that they just don't care about.
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Imagine having so many options for gen regression and defense yet believing you absolutely needed ruin undying to have a chance. Oof.
Fact is, ruin is only good on high mobility killers. For anyone else, pop is an objectively better option. Undying being nerfed simply meand ruin is just as it was before blights release. Its still a gamble. It could be up all game, it could be gone in 20 seconds. If you cant win without undying, you used a crutch. I never said anything about DS. that has no place in this and bringing it in is classic Whataboutism. I play 70% killer, and used undying for about 2 weeks after it was released, then decided its not needed and stopped while maintaining rank 1/2. Its not difficult.
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Yes. what does this opinion change vs mine.
you can show yourself with an irrelevant ss of your killer rank ignorance despite time played.
How does that change what DS does pre nerf? Nor does it change ur argument?
'I played surv cus queues were faster' ... Sure, you didn't discuss anything about the game state regarding the poor anticheat or anything relevant to the posts opinions other than 'lol u think ds is bad' which it unquestionably is for game health in a pre nerf state. You didn't cover how relevant it is regarding genspeed, nor anything else you literally just wanted to post 'u mad cus bad' while trying to flex literally nothing relevant?
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Like i wanna say i shouldn't argue with idiots but you're truly just...throwing urself at me
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somehow......this responded to the wrong person? Imagine the forums being more broken than the game lmaooo
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'So many options for Gen regression and defense'
Pop. Ruin. Corrupt,
Pop gets 25% on 1 gen AFTER a hook, on poor killers that takes less time than it takes to GET the hook. Meanwhile? 3 people are on gens. Pop is not good UNLESS you're running an anti loop killer that can down quickly. Corrupt is mostly for setup killers yet is suddenly necessary to not have games go so fast. Ruin? not anywhere near as good as it was, you need to actively pressure gens which is at best '2' people while 2 others pop another gen in ~47s yet you go chase one and 'oh' a glowy totem infront of this gen guess i'll just break that because only the highest % of killers can down survs in 15~ if they don't make mistakes.
BuT YoU HaVe SurGe/OpPresSion/OvErChaRge?!
Yeah I love meme perks, keep bringing your Self Care/Red Herring/Deliverance/Any Means Necessary builds thanks.
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I've made my opinions on the state of the game quite clear in several previous posts and didn't feel like repeating myself for the 20th too-many-hackers-thread of the week, and instead wanted to interact with another aspect of this thread. However if you insist, EAC is unironically useless and the reporting system in the game is incredibly convoluted and needs an overhaul, especially considering the DBD Website has changed and subsequently its even harder to find the location to submit a support ticket.
"How does that change what DS does pre nerf?"
By itself its fine. There are 3 other survivors to chase, do so. Its when it's combod with other perks it becomes problematic.
"You didn't cover how relevant it is regarding genspeed"
Okay, fine, I'll tell you my exact uncensored opinion.
Generator speed solo is fine. Generator speed solo is okay. Generator speed solo doesn't need a change.
When you stack on gen speed after gen speed modifier, is when it becomes an issue.
In my honest opinion, Prove Thyself is the most unhealthy survivor perk in the game due to the actual drastic impact it has.
However there are a multitude of perks to help counter this. PGTW springs to mind immidiately and despite what people say, Ruin is the best generator regression perk in the game and the only thing stopping it from being genuinely unfair is its status as a hex perk.
If you find yourself losing over and over again, try out Corrupt and Pop. If you keep finding yourself losing then honestly you're just genuinely bad and you need to play better. If you're blaming everything but yourself for your losses then maybe you're the problem. If you can't win games anymore, you were hardcore carried by Undying and the change is there to help people like you actually get better and stop relying on perks to carry you games. They're there for assistence, not to break their spine by hauling you to victory.
"while trying to flex literally nothing relevant?"
No you just said I wasn't good, which I wholeheartedly agree with but other people don't, rather unfortunately. I just gave you screenshots because, guess I'm bad despite being R1D12. However if that's the case I dread to think how ######### you must play.
You ask for the cause, you are the cause. Get better.
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If youre saying ruin is so bad then why the hell does undying being nerfed matter? Dude, use some logic.
Bottom line dude, youre not nearly as good a killer as you think you are if you cant play without pre nerf undying. If the game is so hard for you and so unfair, then stop playing.
You could also check youtube and streamers if you want proof. Theres people that play red rank killer with 0 regression or defense perks and they do just fine. Theres people that make excellent use out of the regression perks we have as they are.
If t really was as hard as youre saying it is and the perks were as bad as you say they are, there wouldnt be people uaing them to absolutely dominate games. Get over yourself and get better at the game
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See, now you're making an actual opinion, you can't expect someone to scroll through all of your posts to find your "true opinion" when you're providing otherwise in the comments you're making.
'By itself DS is fine' is still not ok, because even after the nerf the active DS player will hook bomb you and bodyblock you etc and it only mildly deals with the entire 1minute 'you can't touch me' potential DS has. After the fact they at least can't touch gens or heal others without disabling DS which i think is fair.
'Generator speed solo is fine' Yes. I'm specifically not arguing against solo gen speed, we literally agree on this point. In a situation where 3 people are on 1 gen the speeds are acceptable. In a situation where you've already killed 1 surv and 3 are left, 2 on a gen is acceptable. In a situation where you've hooked 0, are searching for 1 IE the literal start of the game, you find 1 and 3 gens pop before you can down them because you're not an anti loop killer, is not an ok situation. This snowballs into 1 person leaving a gen while you chase 1 more, while 1 rescues, fully heals and then the 3 do 2 more gens before you can down the other makes it literally pointless to play anything but the best killers such as spirit while also running multiple gen regression perks. It's not a case of even being bad, it's a case of the game being unbalanced at this point.
Even playing an optimal killer PGTW on it's own is not a viable choice. Playing a less optimal Killer PGTW gets you hardly any value when you get 2-3 hooks at best before you're left patrolling a 3gen you've set up at higher end gameplay. In the same situation 1 player chases you away as far as possible from the gen setup and you're left with literally the normal regression of 0.25cs. 320s to regress a gen from 99% to 0%....which is instantly stopped the moment 1 player touches it.
The fact of the matter is. Gens are going too fast, You need to take literally 3 slowdown perks to actually SLOW the game. Corrupt/Ruin are basically mandatory now after the undying nerf, PGTW is the extra because of how ass totem spawns are now. Nerfed Ruin doesn't care about survs touching gens. At best you can chase 2 survs off a gen and then follow 1. Not nerfed DS gives them X amount of extra time to do gens. Hackers aren't being punished for hacking, games are too surv favored at high ranks even when you're in the top %
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uhuh, games are entirely subjective, you can get 4man solos or you can get Xman SWFS, uploads are subjective and i'm not pretending that sometimes I just get really bad red ranks that I ######### on either. You should never be using the top % of players or streamers for data for a non esport game balance. Not to mention you've literally taken the entire context out of my post to complain about a single perk or 'reee killer mains complaining' when it's to highlight the poor anticheat.
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Bruh, the entire beginning of your post is complaining about gen speed. What are you even on about?
Go ahead and ignore solid proof that you dont need pre nerf undying. Go ahead and ignore proof of people doing absolutely fine with pop, corrupt, just ruin, or even 0 gen regression / defense perks. Ignore all of it and convince yourself that youre right regardless of multiple people stating why youre wrong. Just stay bad I guess.
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Yes, pop is so bad. It’s only can go gens back 220secs. Killers need at least 10-15 min regression
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Yeah you're literally making your own argument here with no references. "Just stay bad i guess"
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You are almost never getting the full 220 seconds of regression with pop. That would require you are able to pop a gen after each hook and there are a lot of situations where the killer will be unable to pop a gen after a hook.
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Alright man, you need a few names to search? Need me to spell it out for ya?
Fungoose
Ohtofu
Otzdarva / Nototzdarva
ScottJund
Theres 4 killer mains who have absolutely no problem 4king consistently. Otz even has 50 win streaks on stream.
Again, you ignore as much proof as you want. The fact is, youre just not as good as you think you are. Done arguing with ya bud. Have a nice day. Hope you can learn to get better.
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Yes, let me point out the big names that can selectively pick their videos. You know how often Otz fails his winstreaks on 'average' killers before he can post them? funky how infrequently they've been coming recently on the 'worse' killers yeah?
you can pick and choose your argument as much as you like, fact is you're not as good as you think you are. Done arguing with ya bud. Have a nice day. Hope you can learn to get better.
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All four stream live. Twitch. All 4. Youre just ignoring blatant proof at this point and ive gotta assume youre either a troll or less than average iq. Enjoy losing and complain harder. Enjoy the day :)
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'4 People stream so they make the majority of my argument over nothing the OP was about how dare you assume anything about the game'
...Do i quote the rest of your own post at you or do you have the 'less than average iq' you're implying?
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Nope, I am one who never really used undying and I have noticed Gens are just flying.
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As I said, im done arguing. Enjoy your day and lost games :)
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and yet i have seen 3 blatant ones in the past 3 days and there have been groups streaming it on twitch hmmm....
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