Whats your win condition?

As survivor: escape or die making sure someone else escapes

As killer: Anything above a 2k, with a 2k being a draw

Fun chases, multiple hooks, lots of bloodpoint's with 4 bbq stacks and a pip with 2 or more dying.

I don't dwell too hard on winning though as I am not highly competitive and having fun is the most important thing.

As Survivor: Pips.

As Killer: 3K + Hatch.

Survivors are by no means expected to survive more often than not, and many things can factor into them not getting out. Bad team mates, tunneling Killers, the list goes on. As such, I tend to rate my Survivor performance on pips, as they indicate the quality of my contribution to the match. That also means I don't play Claudette. Don't get points for hiding in a bush on the side of the map.

Killers, on the other hand, are only a threat if they are completing their goal. Which is killing. Therefor, Killers need kills. It's, like, you know, uh, literally in their name. And stuff. Dongs. They are the 1 in the 1v4, and they need to prove that there is a reason they are the 1 in that equation. I believe that's also where some of the frustration of playing Killer comes from: You're expected to perform, but you're not a machine. Two times is too much, babe. I think I'm off topic. YA. On top of that, some Killers don't really get the same pip scores as others due to their mechanics, which is kinda lame, so using pips to rate your performance as a Killer comes with a myriad of exceptions, rules, etc. Kills, on the other hand, is their intended goal. It's what they are designed to do. Killers are expected to kill. Unless it's Legion.

It varies depending on the skill level of the team, the map, and what killer I'm playing. Sometimes a 2K with clown on Haddonfield feels better than a 4k with Spirit.

12 hooks win is just dumb

You down someone, they dc... quess ive lost the game...

Anyway, personally for me win is about becoming better at playing. I see no win, in destroying survivors and scoring 4k... it's just an execution and nothing else.

If I had fun and had a decently long game like 8-12 minutes with no dcs or suicides.

Mine are personal and I don't expect anyone else to go by them.

For killer it's a weird hybrid. My regular playstyle naturally gravitates towards a lot of hooks, I want to chase people as much as possible as I find that fun, but I still go by the 0-1k = loss, 2k = draw, 3-4k = win mindset. But based around my own playstyle, which might make it harder or easier to "win" compared to how others play or if they focus even more on hooks in a more direct way.

For survivor it has more to do with "How much impact did I have that match?" than anything. Feel more accomplished after dying in a match where I had to do all sorts of stuff and it felt like I had an impact, while a match where everyone escapes easily feels more like a "Pass" than a "Win".

Pip would be a win for me. I just play the game to have fun though so i dont really care

Literally just having fun is a win for me. It's part of the reason I mained Doctor even back when he was considered one of the weakest Killers in the game.

If I can score some kills, fine. If I can spend the last generator serving drinks to Yui and Claudette in the Mount Ormond Resort bar as Nurse (and later being the one being served), I'll take that just as well.

Same thing applies to playing Survivor. I play for fun, hence most of my builds being somewhat memey and based entirely around the Survivors' personalities.

For survivor and killer:

Most points on end game scoreboard = 1st place.

And then 2nd, 3rd, 4th and LAST.

Getting 1st in solo queue is always great ^^

Any time that I single pip and manage 2k or more, then I consider that a win. Safety pip is a draw regardless of the number of kills. A 4k and a double pip, though? That's a crushing victory.

3 or 4k is a win for me personally. It's important to note why I view it as my win condition though, and that's because the game isn't balanced well and you will very rarely get many hooks against actual good players. IE you'd always think you were losing.

However.

You also can't use kills for determining game balance because it is skewed by a multitude of factors.

IE going by hooks would display a lot more accurate game balance than kills would. Hooks do have some flaws of their own, but much less flaws than kills does.

In other words, the game should be balanced around hooks, not kills.

Not hooks, not kills, not escapes

I'd say emblems but those only work for survivors

To many gimmicks that skew end results and negate the entire context of a match.

4k means nothing cause you can achieve that a single hook or the last minute of the match

12 just means survivors failed individually and as a team, gens are faster than this

Escapes can be a result of effort, but also achieved by survivors that do nothing

I know it's a win if I outplay my opposition all game

My win conditions don't change whether I'm playing survivor or Killer:

1. Did everyone get to engage in the typical activities for their role? As in - chase/be chased, do gens, do totems, hook survivors, etc.
2. Did everyone make decent blood points?

If those two conditions are met, I consider the match a win. I don't care if I escape, I don't care if I actually sacrifice/kill anyone.

In either role, it's having fun first and foremost. Unfortunately, the game issues as a survivor lately have hindered that, and a steady stream of facing toxic survivors/groups is slowly eroding that from the killer side as well.

Aside from the fun requirement, as a survivor, if I pip, I'm happy. I can die -- if I feel like I've played a solid match and made it difficult on the killer, then I chalk it up as a win. Escaping isn't necessary. I've had matched where I've played awful and still escaped, and those didn't feel like a "win" at all.

As killer, I would normally say a 3K or better is a win, though I've had 2K games that still felt like a win because the game was so well-played by everyone and those two kills felt very well-earned. A pip up makes it a win in my book as well (which should mean you've gotten 2K in that case, at the least).

For survivor, if I can contribute at least 1 gen, loop the killer for 30 seconds, save at least 1 team mate, and escape or die trying to save someone.

As killer, If I can 4k (or 3k with 1 hatch escape) with less that 3 gens done, so a flawless would be a 4k at 5 gens.

Technically you need all of these things to rank up or "win" as killer. 8 hooks but no kills is not enough emblem points to get a decent medal. 4 kills but only 4 hooks is the same thing (I also assume only 4 chases and 4 hits which I will get to in a bit). You also need to get roughly gold in each category in order to 1 pip depending on your rank at this point in time. So ergo by the rules presented in the game, no matter how many kills or hooks you get, unless you pip you lose. Irregardless of your own personal victories which there is nothing wrong with having. But when it comes to the ingame criteria they are abysmal and need to be changed when it comes to the killer side of things.

As stated above I can one hook every survivor and instant down them all but still not rank up. Because I:

A) didn't get enough hooks to meet the threshold of 9 total hooks with 3 kills for a gold rank that is one lost gold emblem. So this whole thing of them saying that 2 kills and 2 escapes is balanced, is in fact nonsense when the system requires me to get 9 hooks with 3 kills to get gold.

B) didn't get enough hits to meet the Malicious emblem requirement of which you need 30 to get gold, losing those points (1 per hit) if you do not hook said survivor before they are healed, so any survivor that body blocks and then gets healed is actually denying you those points if they are healed. And instant down killers are skipping a whole health state. Meaning you are cutting your potential points for both Chaser and Malicious emblems in half.

C) Malicious requires me to get into chases and end them as quickly as possible by getting a hit before a certain amount of time expires (to term it at the moment we'll refer to it as a perfect hit). That time is 15 seconds (worth 90 pts and less for each consecutive 15 second interval afterwards) to get the most amount of points for that chase. Which you need to do twice, one for each health state omitting instant downs for the time being. Each hit gives you 55 and you need a total of 1,800 pts to get gold. I don't care what anyone says no killer can chase 2 survivors at the same time. Any survivor worth their salt (as they should) will just jump back on a gen while the killer is busy. And even if a protection hit is taken, which they get a point for, they will run away and heal thus preventing you from banking that point.

D) You got a good gatekeeper emblem by killing them quickly and preventing gens from popping. Good. Still not ranking up cause you don't have enough medals in the other categories. Now if you decide to be a killer that is not a dick (aka. "tunneller") then you have to let them complete 1 of their objectives of getting gens done. You need 25 points in gate keeper to gold that emblem. with each unfinished gen granting 1 point per minute (up to 9 min) that it can give you a point towards this emblem. Regressing/kicking gens does pretty much nothing and actually benefits survivors to a point. They get points for fixing gens, so if you kick it they are actually getting more points for fixing that gen again towards their emblem. While you get nothing but a stall that unless you are using PGTW is trivial and undone in no time.

E) Sure ya killed em all but how many hooks did you get? 4. You need 8 pts to get gold here. 1 point per hook, 2 for each sacrifice, 2 for each kill and plus 1 for hooking every survivor at least once. Better find that slug too cause they are worth nothing if they bleed out. Looking to secure that kill? better not be too close or you are gonna start to loose chaser points so long as you are within 16 metres of that hook. They have even added a UI element that tells you how many total hooks you have gotten now. Meaning they are trying to push you to get more hooks to let the survivors play longer. I mean let's face it getting facecamped and tunneled sucks (though if you use BT/DS to try and body block and not run away from the killer like you should be, I have no sympathy for you).

In essence this whole system needs to be looked at for the killer side of things. The survivors Emblem's are fine and work as they should. Killers is a hot mess and this needs to be looked at to give a solid "win condition that killers can look at and have a good metric to see how they did in a match. With more things added they can do to sway the match their way for a victory. Am I kicking gens to regress them? Give me points toward an emblem to steal hope from the survivors. Same with pallets. I'm kicking them shouldn't the hope of survivors be drained cause I'm robbing them of their safety net?

They want to implement an MMR system right? How the hell are they going to matchmake me with the right skill level when the system is this bad? There isn't even a system that tells you you have won, going by everybody else's personal victory conditions they just ignore the emblems and substitute their own in. Make an easy to understand and easy to know "win" so we can talk about hard facts and balance around that. If we are gonna use just kills as a metric for victory, then The Nurse is the worst killer in the game and needs to be buffed. While Freddy is hands down the best killer in the game cause he has an overwhelming amount of kills that dwarves ever other killer in the game, and thus should be nerfed.

Everyone has fun in their own way. Everyone judges whats a win and what isn't.

Some people are competitive and others just want to play the game and have a laugh.

We can't possibly decide what is a win and what isn't. We can only make our own personal decision as to what counts as a win.

Depends on my mood.

When I'm killer could be getting my challenge done, keeping survivors from a specific gen, killing the annoying survivor with a flashlight, or something else random.

When I'm survivor could be getting my challenge done, keeping killer from getting 4k, getting one gen done when killer will get quick 4k, cleansing the hex totem the killer was protecting, or something else random.

It's not BP because against killers like the Twins I could loop Victor for nearly the entire match and get nothing because chases with him give you no points. It's not pips because the emblem system is broken right now and again chases with Victor screw you over. Even chase with Huntress if she's far enough back she can hit you but it's not considered a chase. It's not surviving because I could start match facing killer, if iri Huntress be downed immediately then not be saved by my random teammates. Could also have team that all DCs and I happen to be next to hatch. As killer I don't take it seriously enough most matches for pips/BP to matter, you really need to try to get low BP as killer.