A response to those against adding LGBTQIA+
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well cba arguing with (I assume, LGBTQ people) who think being murdered, or being murderers is good representation for LGBTQ people.
y'all wonder why there's still inequality/bad representation when you literally scream and kick for it.
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Official canon gives one character as a wild card in terms of gender or sexuality. Who are you to tell me who it is. Thus any predefined relationship is open to official interpretation
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Bro how can you not get this?
The point of representation is to show and validate LGBTQ+ people as normal people. And that's what the survivors are, they're just normal people taken by The Entity. It doesn't discriminate based on sexuality or race or gender or sex.
It would be good representation because, okay cool they're going through an eternal cycle of death and rebirth but so are the straight people. And like I said before it'd show them as just normal ######### human beings, which is all we want from said representation. Normal people.
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We know there's a confirmed LGBTQ+ character. We know they exist. However we don't know who and we don't have any LGBTQ+ relationships confirmed in the game, whilst we do have heterosexual ones and unless confirmed otherwise (considering LGBTQ+ people make up ~8% of the global population) its safe to assume they're straight.
All we want is representation through the form of a character or relationship of a character. That's what people ask for when they want representation, how difficult is it to cram those two sentences into your skull?
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How is that a contradiction? Please elaborate on that. Because it isn’t at all.
and head canons don’t have to be conform with the official lore. That’s literally the definition of head canon.
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Excuse me but the way to say they're normal people is not to put a gay and say "look, we added a gay" and I am a gay man, but to add a man and casually say "yes, he had a lovely husband"... I am all for representation but you should know how to represent. Needless to say, I am disabled also so sometimes adding you to something just because you are in X way feels forced and weird.
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That’s not what any one said. There is one specific defined character who is in some specific form part of the LGBT+ community.
that’s not a wild card just because you don’t know more. It may very well get revealed in a future tome
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I literally don’t know how to explain how a wild card works. I can’t hold your hand through all this
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the devs never ever said it’s a wild card. In no way. One specific character was created with it in mind before anyone even asked for LGBT+ chars.
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Hope this helps
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No one said they should explicitly state „x char is gay“
everyone is on board with that casual mention of a significant other or something similar
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Why should it help when there is not even a wild card present?
edit: Your reading comprehension is really lacking.
(also I get it, you like to troll, but maybe try a little harder, you are just humiliating yourself at this point)
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And what's making you believe that BHVR will do it in the style of "look we added a gay"? If you look to the other lore (with the exception of Frank x Julie in the tome because theirs is atrocious), we have:
Sally Smithson came to town with dreams of children's feet and laughter in a wooden home built by her husband Andrew.
This for the Nurse, the only time Andrew is mentioned as her husband, and he isn't mentioned again in her bio. In the tome, we again have subtle mentions, not "LOOK AT THIS STRAIGHT CHARACTER GUYS!!":
Andrew sits next to her on a blanket, his blonde hair nearly white in the sun. She wears the dress he had bought her. A symbol of my love, he had written on the card, and for a man of few words it meant many.
Tighter, she holds Andrew's wrist, pressing her head into his shoulder and bracing herself. An immense tree slams to the ground behind her, sending twigs and dirt into the air. One after another, they come down in booming, ground-shaking jolts. Sally coughs through a cloud of dust, keeping her grip on Andrew the entire time.
Memory 911
Eventually, Felix's girlfriend announced that he was going to be a father.
Felix's bio. This is the only mention.
His ex has moved on and she doesn't want to see his face.
Memory 342. This is the only mention of David's ex.
What makes you think they'll do it any differently for an LGBTQ+ character?
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Bro you're talking like you're so much higher in terms of wisdom but we've been having to coach you through and you're still 30 steps behind. Drop the attitude because you can't understand what we're on about.
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My comment was directed to any game company in general, not just BHVR.
The last thing I want is for any game company to pull another Blizzard stunt. It was disingenuous.
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Funny, you seem to be the one getting upset. You are so upset you typed profanity in some of your messages. Like, you made a conscious effort to try and prove how upset you are. I’m calmly trying to show you that just because the lore says sally had a husband, doesn’t mean sally is a biological female. That’s the point, since we don’t know who the LGBTQ character is.
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I’m trying to make a point. Not my fault you label anyone who disagrees with your world view as a troll.
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It's no sercret on these forums I have some pretty large anger issues, and whilst I try to control it when faced with some people it flares up. It's even worse when someone is both stupid and refuses to admit when they're wrong or even listen to other side.
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So someone disagrees with you and your first response is to get angry and assume they are stupid? That’s flat out sad man. I wish the best for you; gotta stay calm out there. I actually try to keep an open mind. That’s why I continue to post. Seems you only want to brow beat though
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As long as its woven into their lore, rather than their entire personality just about them being gay, trans etc ,it should be used to enhance and improve their lore and the character itself.
Basically as long as the devs don't make the character revolve around being gay or trans, and as long as they wove it into the character and the lore whilst making the character interesting I don't think many would mind.
Represention is good, as long as its not forced, make the character whatever as long as they have an actual personality besides being gay or trans, I like interesting lore.
Representation is Good however I worry if there character is a gay or trans character I can almost guarantee morons will single the person using that survivor and its a pity.
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No; when someone disagrees with me with an incredibly flawed and idiotic point of view, then refuses to listen to them being proven wrong and insists they're right when they're ignoring everything the other people say is when I get angry. And considering how you've been doing that for the past 2 pages, it's getting pretty pissy.
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You can choose to believe falsehoods, that's up to you. However, we want the creative team to let their ideas flow.
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Representation is Good however I worry if there character is a gay or trans character I can almost guarantee morons will single the person using that survivor and its a pity.
People like that will always out themselves, so you can report them and help make the game better for everyone.
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You are only angering yourself. Who are you to say my point of view is stupid? That’s the definition of close minded
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We want the creative team to flow, but they better flow in the direction of a gay character or we will make a ridiculously long thread about the lack of said character. Revisit my post discussing sally on a previous page please, it is worded better then my one regarding frank
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Nope, the creative team flowed in the direction of an explicitly LGBT character all on their own. Why do you want them to exclude explicitly LGBT characters if that's where their ideas went?
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Your point was disproven by the fact that the creators/writers of the lore have confirmed every relationship is heterosexual and anything LGBT+ was unintentionally excluded while heterosexual mentions weren’t.
you are literally make stuff up such as the LGBT char kn the game is a wild card, which was also confirmed to be untrue as it was a specific character.
i am labeling you as a troll because you are still arguing against the words of the creators.
also you were saying I would contradict myself but even after I questioned that you ignored it and never elaborated.
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Also what is your obsession with a gay character? No one ever demanded an explicit gay character. People are literally just saying LGBT+ should not be excluded when heterosexual relationships are already included. Really. That is my point of view and that of many others you are trying to argue against.
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do you know which character it is? So they are a wild card.
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Point out where I said they should exclude them. I’ll wait.
You always make that same argument in every thread. “If you have any reservations about how the character is created (not if they should be but how) then you are actively excluding them”
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So what is your point? This thread is directed at people who want to exclude explicitly LGBT characters, it says so right in the title.
My argument is that you want to control the way the devs implement characters. The devs say the relationships are heterosexual, but you want to ignore their ideas and claim that there's no way to know. We're not writing fan fiction here, we're talking about canon. And canonically, only heterosexual relationships have been explicitly written about.
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That’s not the definition of wild card. The creators know who that char is. It is something set in stone. And again you are refusing to answer how i contradicted myself.
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Half the people here have demanded an openly gay character. People have even claimed they don’t feel like they can identify with video game characters without it.
let me say again, since we as players don’t know who the character is, they are a wild card to us. Therefore the lore is open to interpretation. If the devs want to actually define the relationships they will reveal which character is the unknown to the players.
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also for the record:
the devs confirmed all relationships in the lore are heterosexual. We can easily conclude that the relationship/marriage between Sally and Andrew were heterosexual with that information.
you are not trying to calmly show that, you are refusing to accept what the writers have confirmed about their own created characters.
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People have even claimed they don’t feel like they can identify with video game characters without it.
Source? I've seen the claim that this claim is real, but that's it.
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Alternatviely the moderators are just looking at the incredibly large thread about a very contentious topic for things which break the rules and change things accordingly without other people interfering.
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Almost no one demanded an openly gay character. No one claimed they can’t identify with a videogame character without it. At least not here in the forums that I have read. Please don’t put words in others mouths again.
to us they may be a wild card. But that doesn’t change the fact that every mentioning of anything LGBT+ in the lore was excluded and every relationship was definitely confirmed to be heterosexual.
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this is not a discussion. You are not accepting in any way that what the creators say about their creations is canon. You are desperately trying to argue that it’s not true what they sayy
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Just a few pages ago @GoodBoyKaru said just that. You don't even read what those who agree with you post.
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I never said that???
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You posted that any depiction in media of a lgtbq person would have helped you during your younger years. You even brought up it might have stopped your attempt on your own life.
when i get to a computer proper I’ll quote it for you if you like.
And before the mods or you get upset, notice I didn’t contradict your life story or belittle it, I merely repeated what you said
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I said that any depiction of an LGBTQ+ person would have helped me, correct. Doesn't mean they'd have to be openly gay character- any depiction would've helped. It also wouldn't have had to be obvious, just a subtle part; any representation. Also doesn't mean they'd have to be gay- there's a reason I always specifiy LGBTQ+.
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Just to clarify doubts about what the developers had or have in mind, this is their official statement regarding this topic:
So yeah, initially they wanted the players to create their own narrative, but since things have changed.
Inclusivity and representation mean a lot to the team.
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Look at my last post. My point stands
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But that is just wrong. There is the little asian kid who did not want to be forced into a roll in life and Abby who is just a girl who got built to get revenge and survive.
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There is no point though.
you are making stuff up the whole time. I have to assume that you are doing it on purpose, thus calling you a troll.
if I am not correct on this I apologize. But then I have to assume you have zero reading comprehension and then you should really start to self reflect instead of accusing others..
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I am reading what they say. And just because we agree on this topic doesn’t mean we have to share every single thought. I also said almost no one.
there it is again. Reading comprehension.
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Yes, and before that you said no one. I’m genuinely glad you changed from an absolute position to allowing for exceptions.
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I am not too invested in Last Of Us, only watched one YouTube let’s play and that not really with much focus.
but i am pretty sure that Asian kid wanted to be called by the pronomes of the opposite biological gender they were born with, it was not just the role in their life but it was about their gender? Again, could be wrong about that..
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Yeah, but it should be clear that I can’t speak for everyone else. And of course I am only speaking from my point of view and I haven’t seen those demands and I am reading these threads pretty thorough.
And you made it sound like many people were asking for it. Which is not true. Let’s see if you can now admit to a mistake of again ignore this?
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