Killers debate: hooks or kills

The best solution would be to reward hooking different survivor. The win condition should be still 3-4 kills, but the best way to achieve it should be not tunneling.

So suicide or bad teammates wouldnt affect the killer score.

Kills have always been the win. Since camping isn't fun though they made an emblem system to encourage you to go for hooks. You're meant to kill them but do it via multiple hooks.

At some point though you become burnt out like the rest of us and you no longer care about any of that, you've been rank 1 many times over, you've got all the perks unlocked, now you just want to kill by any means necessary.

No? Why should someone slug more when he gets a reward for hooking?

Maybe I miss understand what you where saying I thought you where saying kills are better than hooks

I didnt mean that. The score is not different whether you hook someone three times or he suicides. But you would get a gameplay boost when you hook him three times (like a debuff for survivor for example). So it would be more effective to hook many people then killing one. A suiciding survivor could deny you this gameplay mechanic, but it wouldnt affect your score.

In my opinion, kills.

I would rather end a game in 3 minutes and get 4 kills than get 8 hooks and everyone escape.

I AM A MONSTER, MY OBJECTIVE IS TO KILL.. KILL.. KILL!

This for me.

Kills.

Apparently tru3talent and almost everyone was getting a lot of 4ks. The narrative was that even tho they 4k'd they wouldn't get the pip. Now they're getting 4k and a pip so they desperately need something to backup their 2017 dbd narrative in which killers are weak and survivors op.

What's better than getting 4k a pip and still complaining about the game being survivor sided because you got 10 hook instead of 12?

I posted this already so I'm just gonna leave this here.

Technically you need all of these things to rank up or "win" as killer. 8 hooks but no kills is not enough emblem points to get a decent medal. 4 kills but only 4 hooks is the same thing (I also assume only 4 chases and 4 hits which I will get to in a bit). You also need to get roughly gold in each category in order to 1 pip depending on your rank at this point in time. So ergo by the rules presented in the game, no matter how many kills or hooks you get, unless you pip you lose. Irregardless of your own personal victories which there is nothing wrong with having. But when it comes to the ingame criteria they are abysmal and need to be changed when it comes to the killer side of things.

As stated above I can one hook every survivor and instant down them all but still not rank up. Because I:

A) didn't get enough hooks to meet the threshold of 9 total hooks with 3 kills for a gold rank that is one lost gold emblem. So this whole thing of them saying that 2 kills and 2 escapes is balanced, is in fact nonsense when the system requires me to get 9 hooks with 3 kills to get gold.

B) didn't get enough hits to meet the Malicious emblem requirement of which you need 30 to get gold, losing those points (1 per hit) if you do not hook said survivor before they are healed, so any survivor that body blocks and then gets healed is actually denying you those points if they are healed. And instant down killers are skipping a whole health state. Meaning you are cutting your potential points for both Chaser and Malicious emblems in half.

C) Malicious requires me to get into chases and end them as quickly as possible by getting a hit before a certain amount of time expires (to term it at the moment we'll refer to it as a perfect hit). That time is 15 seconds (worth 90 pts and less for each consecutive 15 second interval afterwards) to get the most amount of points for that chase. Which you need to do twice, one for each health state omitting instant downs for the time being. Each hit gives you 55 and you need a total of 1,800 pts to get gold. I don't care what anyone says no killer can chase 2 survivors at the same time. Any survivor worth their salt (as they should) will just jump back on a gen while the killer is busy. And even if a protection hit is taken, which they get a point for, they will run away and heal thus preventing you from banking that point.

D) You got a good gatekeeper emblem by killing them quickly and preventing gens from popping. Good. Still not ranking up cause you don't have enough medals in the other categories. Now if you decide to be a killer that is not a dick (aka. "tunneller") then you have to let them complete 1 of their objectives of getting gens done. You need 25 points in gate keeper to gold that emblem. with each unfinished gen granting 1 point per minute (up to 9 min) that it can give you a point towards this emblem. Regressing/kicking gens does pretty much nothing and actually benefits survivors to a point. They get points for fixing gens, so if you kick it they are actually getting more points for fixing that gen again towards their emblem. While you get nothing but a stall that unless you are using PGTW is trivial and undone in no time.

E) Sure ya killed em all but how many hooks did you get? 4. You need 8 pts to get gold here. 1 point per hook, 2 for each sacrifice, 2 for each kill and plus 1 for hooking every survivor at least once. Better find that slug too cause they are worth nothing if they bleed out. Looking to secure that kill? better not be too close or you are gonna start to loose chaser points so long as you are within 16 metres of that hook. They have even added a UI element that tells you how many total hooks you have gotten now. Meaning they are trying to push you to get more hooks to let the survivors play longer. I mean let's face it getting facecamped and tunneled sucks (though if you use BT/DS to try and body block and not run away from the killer like you should be, I have no sympathy for you).

In essence this whole system needs to be looked at for the killer side of things. The survivors Emblem's are fine and work as they should. Killers is a hot mess and this needs to be looked at to give a solid "win condition that killers can look at and have a good metric to see how they did in a match. With more things added they can do to sway the match their way for a victory. Am I kicking gens to regress them? Give me points toward an emblem to steal hope from the survivors. Same with pallets. I'm kicking them shouldn't the hope of survivors be drained cause I'm robbing them of their safety net?

They want to implement an MMR system right? How the hell are they going to matchmake me with the right skill level when the system is this bad? There isn't even a system that tells you you have won, going by everybody else's personal victory conditions they just ignore the emblems and substitute their own in. Make an easy to understand and easy to know "win" so we can talk about hard facts and balance around that. If we are gonna use just kills as a metric for victory, then The Nurse is the worst killer in the game and needs to be buffed. While Freddy is hands down the best killer in the game cause he has an overwhelming amount of kills that dwarves ever other killer in the game, and thus should be nerfed.