Hiding Survivors, how to find?
Pretty obvious topic. Finding people playing normally is easy enough, but I am always stumped by hiding Survivors. Especially since I don't really have the time to spare searching, judging by how fast these doohickeys fly when I'm not kicking them and how Chases seem to abruptly drop after these latest updates (Might just be me facing better Survivors, as a newbie I'm not really in a position to say honestly. Just feels like they "escape" a lot quicker and by doing less now, even if I can still physically see them through windows it drops the Chase/Bloodlust sometimes).
And yes. I know about red marks, blood trails, injured survivor sounds, etc. I mean for the times when they do not have the obvious tells, but you know that they're in the area for whatever reason. I am a new player still in the early ranks and I am only asking for advice, not complaining about other players. For posterity and clarity, I guess.
Thank you reading my ramblings.
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I'd reccomend Whispers. Once you know how to use it, you can almost pinpoint where survivors are once the perk lights up, and even if you can't it helps you know if a survivor is in the area or if they sneaked away.
If you don't like Whispers, you could play Doc, or a stealth killer to sneak up on them so they won't hide.
Out of curiosity, what killer do you play and what rank are you and the survivors you face?
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I thought Whispers only told you whether Survivors are inside the Perk's range or not, and doesn't help you find them specifically when it activates? Spies from the Shadows helps alot, but there's not always a crow friend around and I would like a baseline of knowledge/skill so that I can use other types of perks instead sometimes.
As for your questions,
1. I "main" Bubba because I love that film and going around corners with the chainsaw feels super rewarding even when I fail (his tantrums are pretty cute, for a guy wearing someone's face). I also play Oni for similar reasons, but I am terrible at him right now. The chainsaw sounds make uninjured Survivors harder to track and I am aware of the hate for Leatherface, but fun trumps efficiency for me and I don't enjoy camping.
2. I am rank 16 for the second time, because apparently there's a rank reset in this game. The people I go up against are generally 20-10 rank and a fair fight so to speak, but sometimes a purple or red dude will appear and completely outclass me for some strange reason. This isn't about skill though, just about me not knowing how to approach the situation in general.
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Start to get better to paying attention to crows, and their different audio cues.
Are you disturbing a lot in an area? Survivors haven’t been there recently.
Can’t hear ANY crows? Survivors are definitely around that area.
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Although Whispers does only tell you if the survivors are in your perk range, if you have good game knowledge (which takes a while to learn) you can know exactly where 32 meters is and if the survivor is simply hiding still finding them isn't too hard, it's also a great perk in general as you don't have to spend near as it tells you if no one is actually hiding there.
Leatherface and Oni are both great and fun killers, and I enjoy them on both sides. I'd definitely recommend learning Oni more to get better at him, but also do play Leatherface. Whispers is a good perk on Leatherface, but a great perk on Oni due to him being able to dash around at high speeds and needing to spend his time in his power wisely. Don't let anyone tell you who or how to play, continue playing him and have fun.
As for you being rank 16, survivors do tend to hide alot around that rank. Doctor can be great at that rank, although I'd recommend learning Oni and Bubba like I mentioned above as they're more viable once you climb the ranks.
Feel free to ask anything else if you want.
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I appreciate the ideas, however I was more asking about the general approach to Survivors crouching at full health (so no injured grunts or blood trails) than direct perk counters. Basically, what's the approach as a "basic attack only" Killer with no perks or addons? Short of just directing your attention elsewhere, which is a good alternative to finding them.
I am very much going to use the information in your post though, so thank you. I am waiting for a sale before I buy Plague and Michael though, and I can't level the Doctor to play him until I get Hag's Teachables. I will be playing Bubba, Doctor and Oni eventually though. Those giggles never fail to make me giggle myself.
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Well, I typically run Spies from the Shadows due to not having many available perks (plus it's just really good, at least for people at my level) so that's not an issue currently and that approach doesn't counter people who are not moving much anyway. Like those Survivors in dark clothes who hide in dark places and jump scare me all the time when I go around corners.
Claudette's are scarier than Killers, man.
Skip to last two paragraphs if you don't want to read my mostly irrelevant wall of text.
I will not let anyone dictate how I play, not even you my friend (I will try Whispers though). I just don't like to be grouped with people, as insecure as that might make me. I always approach matches at my own pace though, sometimes there are more important things than giving Survivors' attention. Often I don't take the best options or try my hardest at the game, I'm just playing for fun after all. Besides, it never fails to amuse me seeing a Survivor think he's got the upper hand with those narrow paths and your seemingly garbage skills so far, only to find that it's really not that difficult moving around obstacles or through doorways for you. They don't seem to think that Bubba can just swing without going forward, or that he can infact make tight turns fairly easily (your best bet is still to stick close to walls though).
I'm rambling again. Sorry, I do that. From what I understand, outside of location perks the general consensus is that the only proper counter to this situation is experience with the game and how Survivors' typically act. Is that right?
And also, is there something I'm missing about Bloodpoints or is approx 80-90k really going to always be basically the best that you can earn? With the average generally being more like 40k a match? This seems pretty low.
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Look in the spots you know where you would hide. It pays to slow down sometimes.
Even with Spies from The Shadows, keep an eye the horizon for crow activity. In my experience most survivors are careless and won’t pay attention to where crows are, and don’t try to steer clear of them.
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I can both relate to not liking to be grouped with people, aswell as not trying my hardest and only playing for fun. I don't like being grouped with others like you, if it be here on the forums or in real life, but that does help me play how I enjoy to, and I'm glad it can do the same for you. Fun wise, often I'll do something stupid just out of enjoyment and aslong as it doesn't screw up my team (if I'm playing survivor) then I'll try it. Bubba can be great on certain loops, and may favourite are probably TL walls, survivor jumps through the window as soon as they hear me rev my chainsaw only for me to down them on the other side, and those tight turns can even suprise survivors at the highest of ranks.
No need to apologise for the rambling, we all do it sometimes and it can be interesting to read, the best way to get better at finding people like you said is experience. I'd recommend playing both survivor and killer, especially with a perk like Bond or Empathy. It'll help you learn how to play against survivors and how they tend to act, in turn helping your killer gameplay.
Usually you can earn at most 32k a match, with certain perks and offerings affecting them, however with the current even on going its possible to earn more (a possible of 37k a game without a red envelope and a possible 47k with a red envelope)
It's why you see BBQ and We're gonna live Forever used often, or atleast at higher ranks. The blood point gain helps alot to level up your killers or survivors. It is pretty low unfortunately, and that's why a lot of people complain about the grind. There are some codes for bloodpoints that help with that grind, but for the most part it's still a long one, so goodluck getting through it.
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I see your point, friend. I will slow down in some future matches to try and notice the things you've pointed out. I already do sort of "slant" my view occasionally while wandering to catch things in the distance, but I'll attempt to make it a natural part of my playstyle. Thanks.
Obviously playing both is the logical choice and I am at a disadvantage for not doing so, but frankly I do not really care for Survivor gameplay. I don't mind if this means that I will not be good enough to reach the highest tiers, I don't find the idea of playing against people that desperate to win appealing anyway. I don't really care about winning either, so long as people are a good sport and I got some good hits in.
Maybe I'll watch some Survivor gameplay online or something, but that's it. "Even if it improves my skill, it's really not worth the time investment in a role I won't enjoy playing", he says with confidence despite not being able to back it up.
I am sad to hear about the BP grind.
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Crows are a big one. Once you learn to pay attention to them your tracking will improve a lot.
Second tip is get good headphones. Even healthy survivors make breathing noises and grass they move through makes sound too.
Lastly playing survivor yourself. By hiding from the killer yourself you learn the good spots and can use that knowledge while playing killer
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I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Sloppy Butcher. If you pay attention to the ground, the blood stains are more frequent and they will lead you in the direction of a survivor who will be grunting in pain. Obviously have to hit one first, but it helps a lot AND has the added bonus of slowing their healing to a crawl.
Other than that, I second everything else.
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No one mentioned Sloppy Butcher because the topic is about people that are uninjured, so no grunts or blood stains to follow. The perk is nice though, Mangled is cool and Hemorrhage is pretty good with oni to start at least.
In the hypothetical scenario I need help with I know someone is nearby (maybe I saw them crouching in the distance, they triggered the Spy Crow perk or they broke line of sight mid chase to crouch. doesn't really matter how it happened), but I don't know where they are crouching at the immediate location. To simplify even more, without god tier headphones how do you find Claudette?
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Spies from the shadows is a great perk especially for chases since you'll get cues on where survivors are running off to and most survivors don't think about the crows a lot especially during and after a chase.
Tinkerer, although isn't a chase perk, is good at giving you direction on where survivors are and if you pay attention you can tell what areas of the map survivors are staying mostly
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Lots of information perks already listed will help, but honestly, with how new to the game it appears you are, I would suggest playing as survivor and trying to hide. It'll give you a better idea of what spots to search as killer. Playing either side helps you improve with the other, especially in the beginning.
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Whispers gets you close, Stridor will make even Healthy breathe heavier, as someone else said earlier. Discordance will let you know if 2 survivors are on the same gen.
Example: If you see Discordance go off make your way to that gen at an angle that isn't directly facing the gen. That way, if a survivor has Spine Chill, they won't know you're looking in their direction.
You also might catch someone running away because they hear your terror radius. Even if you don't see them, if they were careless and ran, they'll leave scratch marks. While all this is going on, if Whispers is on, you know for certain *somebody* is there. That being said, sometimes the better tactic is to find someone else if they're too well hidden.
Best bet is to do what you can to get that first hit because it helps create a snowball effect.
PS: 2 weeks later, but still. Good luck!
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