Camping and tunneling, any fixes or bans?

Master said:

@Sandman1053 said:
Is camping and tunneling broken? Is it ACTUALLY a strategy. Yes it is and no it isn't. I am a prior enlisted Marine, and I know a thing or 2 about strategies. Putting someone on a hook and standing over them instead of going out and hunting down survivors is NOT a strategy but pure laziness and nothing more. It is causing many people to either log out and even uninstall. This is a MATURE rated game and should be played that way instead of playing like 5yr olds and calling it strategy. Camping and tunneling should, in my opinion, be a reportable offence as it is killing the game for many people. The more people get frustrated with this the more people will leave making the game die itself. That is something NO ONE should be fighting for. If people would grow up and use ACTUAL tactics to FIND survivors, the game would be more enjoyable for ALL.

Tunneling gens is ok though I guess?

I disagree. Git gud and don't get caught then camping won't be an issue and neither will tunneling

@Wolf74 said:
Every survivor main:
Camping and tunneling is unfair... mimimi.
This translates as: I want free unhooks and extra chances upon extra chances. I want to heal up uninterrupted. I want my 3 like in Super Mario.

But:
Gen rush is "doing the survivors only objective".
Looping is "needed to survive"
And Noed is unfair, because "survivor shouldn't be forced to do totems".

survivor logic...

So by killer main logic. Survivors aren't supposed to do gens to open the exit so you all can have easier games? Not only is camping/tunneling broken, but so is your backwards logic.

@Sandman1053 said:
So by killer main logic. Survivors aren't supposed to do gens to open the exit so you all can have easier games? Not only is camping/tunneling broken, but so is your backwards logic.

Can we consider there's a difference between a more fun pace, and people trying to get all the gens done in under 5 minutes?
3-4 gens done by the time the pro-decoy is done being chased for the first time?

Gen rush is about as fun, and profitable for the killer as a survivor getting face camped to death on the first hook.

Doing gens is a survivor MUST as they way the game is designed. And I say yet again, camping/tunneling is a CHOICE. I will also say yet AGAIN, there are plenty killer mains who do NOT camp/tunnel who win plenty of matches proving that camping/tunneling is NOT a must but, again a choice. Kellwrs also have the ability to see ALL the hooks ALL the time. Big advantage. You all keep saying that survivors are whining when asking for fair play. If that's the case, then you all need to step back, take a look at the advantages you all have and stop the whining. No where in the games design is it a must to camp/tunnel to advance the game. However, if survivors don't do gens, the exit does not open and survivors don't survive. So you all must expect us to just stand there and wait to die?

I have seen and spoken to many killer mains who strongly disagree with camping/tunneling. Why? 1) not fair play and 2) they get more bloodpoints and xp actually playing the game.

Of course gens will pop faster when you're busy staring at someone on a hook instead of going out and getting someone else. 

And this BS of killer mains only do it if you taunt them? I just played a match where the killer started a few steps away and did this crap. No time for taunting or anything.

It's actually simple. People see it easier to sit and camp and tunnel than actually putting in some work and hunt. That, regardless of how you try to rationalize it is taking the easy way out and blaming it on the survivors. Kinda like the stuff my son did when he was 5.

Grow up and learn some actual tactics. I would really hate to see DBD die due to some lazy killers who are chasing lots of people from playing.

Plain and simple... Killer are supposed to hunt down and kill the survivors. Survivors are supposed to repair gens to open the exit to survive. Stop blaming survivors for doing what they are SUPPOSED to do and actually do what killers are SUPPOSED to do. If hunting and killing survivors is too hard there are 2 choices. 1) Play KyF for a while to practice or 2) Stop playing a killer.

Yeah I know, you're gonna say we survivors have the same choice. Trouble is, we're the one ACTUALLY doing what we're supposed to as the game was designed in the first place.

@Sandman1053 said:
Doing gens is a survivor MUST as they way the game is designed. And I say yet again, camping/tunneling is a CHOICE. I will also say yet AGAIN, there are plenty killer mains who do NOT camp/tunnel who win plenty of matches proving that camping/tunneling is NOT a must but, again a choice. Kellwrs also have the ability to see ALL the hooks ALL the time. Big advantage. You all keep saying that survivors are whining when asking for fair play. If that's the case, then you all need to step back, take a look at the advantages you all have and stop the whining. No where in the games design is it a must to camp/tunnel to advance the game. However, if survivors don't do gens, the exit does not open and survivors don't survive. So you all must expect us to just stand there and wait to die?

I have seen and spoken to many killer mains who strongly disagree with camping/tunneling. Why? 1) not fair play and 2) they get more bloodpoints and xp actually playing the game.

Of course gens will pop faster when you're busy staring at someone on a hook instead of going out and getting someone else. 

And this BS of killer mains only do it if you taunt them? I just played a match where the killer started a few steps away and did this crap. No time for taunting or anything.

It's actually simple. People see it easier to sit and camp and tunnel than actually putting in some work and hunt. That, regardless of how you try to rationalize it is taking the easy way out and blaming it on the survivors. Kinda like the stuff my son did when he was 5.

Grow up and learn some actual tactics. I would really hate to see DBD die due to some lazy killers who are chasing lots of people from playing.

Plain and simple... Killer are supposed to hunt down and kill the survivors. Survivors are supposed to repair gens to open the exit to survive. Stop blaming survivors for doing what they are SUPPOSED to do and actually do what killers are SUPPOSED to do. If hunting and killing survivors is too hard there are 2 choices. 1) Play KyF for a while to practice or 2) Stop playing a killer.

Yeah I know, you're gonna say we survivors have the same choice. Trouble is, we're the one ACTUALLY doing what we're supposed to as the game was designed in the first place.

Honestly, I don't camp unless you're obnoxious, or too much trouble to keep alive, if not both. There seems to be a lot of survivors punching down, and staying in lower ranks.

I might patrol the vicinity inadvertently, but unless you've deemed it wise to be a party pooper, you're not getting face camped.

Oh, and if you're genrushing and I'm securing the kill, I'll camp. I'll even face camp. Your homies didn't leave any way to pressure me away from securing the kill, so you're my only objective. You're worth more points than everyone escaping. Oh, and you wrecked my fun in a decently long game full of numerous hookings, chases, maybe a sacrifice, or two because I only had time to chase and hook someone, realistically.

I'll blame survivors for sucking the fun out of being a killer. Even willfully, and gleefully deciding the killer should be miserable.
SWFs for abusing communications.
Loop abuse.
Just generally being toxic.

All towards the end goal of genrushing, and trying to get as close to a 5 minute game as possible, or being obnoxious, or bullying a killer ranks below where you should be?

Oh, I know killers will face camp for the hell of it.
I have been on the receiving end if it, and probably tunneling, too, but I will not pretend survivors can do no wrong.
They can do a lot to set the pace, and mood of the trial.

Edit: Typed this while you replied to me.

Yes, that logic I understand. Survivors need to spend more time looking out for each other as well ie. healing, unhooking etc. However, when a killer is face camping it is almost impossible to free them without one or both getting hit. Which is why many survivors die on their first hook. When a survivor sees a killer face camping that survivor is usually left to die. And believe me, as a survivor main I do know there are some noob survivors out there. But, foul play does not justify foul play. That's MY point.

If, in a match, survivors are playing correctly. Searching for totems, doing gens, healing, unhooking, etc. etc. Then why are we still seeing camping/tunneling in those games. I am a firm believer that an idiot survivor ets what he deserves. But, I am talking about killers that play this way as their ONLY "tactic."

Because the killers could be dicks, or want to rank up because it's impressive, etc. I won't pretend killers are angels.

They might have met with a lot of foul play (And there's a ton of it on ps4 in low ranks. SWFs, unusually good people, etc.) and are taking it out on others because lets face it, survivors don't care about the killer by and large.
They'll gate camp, teabag, and do other toxic crap.

Foul play begets foul play. And it comes from both sides and ticks people off into it, killers and survivors both.

But yeah, if the match is going on at a decent pace, hard camping sucks.
The only reason I can see it being sought after so readily is forcing the game to change pace. There is a gamble to it that will hopefully die out. After all, 3 survivors are easier to beat than 4. They can't do anything as fast. Either they have done a lot of gens, or the game has gotten WAY easier.

@Sandman1053 said:
Rebel_Raven said:

@Sandman1053 said

Doing gens is a survivor MUST as they way the game is designed. And I say yet again, camping/tunneling is a CHOICE. I will also say yet AGAIN, there are plenty killer mains who do NOT camp/tunnel who win plenty of matches proving that camping/tunneling is NOT a must but, again a choice. Kellwrs also have the ability to see ALL the hooks ALL the time. Big advantage. You all keep saying that survivors are whining when asking for fair play. If that's the case, then you all need to step back, take a look at the advantages you all have and stop the whining. No where in the games design is it a must to camp/tunnel to advance the game. However, if survivors don't do gens, the exit does not open and survivors don't survive. So you all must expect us to just stand there and wait to die?

I have seen and spoken to many killer mains who strongly disagree with camping/tunneling. Why? 1) not fair play and 2) they get more bloodpoints and xp actually playing the game.

Of course gens will pop faster when you're busy staring at someone on a hook instead of going out and getting someone else. 

And this BS of killer mains only do it if you taunt them? I just played a match where the killer started a few steps away and did this crap. No time for taunting or anything.

It's actually simple. People see it easier to sit and camp and tunnel than actually putting in some work and hunt. That, regardless of how you try to rationalize it is taking the easy way out and blaming it on the survivors. Kinda like the stuff my son did when he was 5.

Grow up and learn some actual tactics. I would really hate to see DBD die due to some lazy killers who are chasing lots of people from playing.

Plain and simple... Killer are supposed to hunt down and kill the survivors. Survivors are supposed to repair gens to open the exit to survive. Stop blaming survivors for doing what they are SUPPOSED to do and actually do what killers are SUPPOSED to do. If hunting and killing survivors is too hard there are 2 choices. 1) Play KyF for a while to practice or 2) Stop playing a killer.

Yeah I know, you're gonna say we survivors have the same choice. Trouble is, we're the one ACTUALLY doing what we're supposed to as the game was designed in the first place.

Honestly, I don't camp unless you're obnoxious, or too much trouble to keep alive, if not both. There seems to be a lot of survivors punching down, and staying in lower ranks.

I might patrol the vicinity inadvertently, but unless you've deemed it wise to be a party pooper, you're not getting face camped.

Oh, and if you're genrushing and I'm securing the kill, I'll camp. I'll even face camp. Your homies didn't leave any way to pressure me away from securing the kill, so you're my only objective. You're worth more points than everyone escaping. Oh, and you wrecked my fun in a decently long game full of numerous hookings, chases, maybe a sacrifice, or two because I only had time to chase and hook someone, realistically.

I'll blame survivors for sucking the fun out of being a killer. Even willfully, and gleefully deciding the killer should be miserable.

SWFs for abusing communications.

Loop abuse.

Just generally being toxic.

All towards the end goal of genrushing, and trying to get as close to a 5 minute game as possible, or being obnoxious, or bullying a killer ranks below where you should be?

Oh, I know killers will face camp for the hell of it.

I have been on the receiving end if it, and probably tunneling, too, but I will not pretend survivors can do no wrong.

They can do a lot to set the pace, and mood of the trial.

And that's fine. I have no problem with that. I know there are brain dead survivors and I have no problem with idiots getting what they ask for. My only problem is the killers who use these as their only "tactic."

Yeah, the only reason I can see the tactic adopted is because it creates chaos.

Honed survivors will just do gens, and maybe paint the killer into a corner where they're inclined to camp to secure a kill.

But all too often they won't do gens.
Either because they're looking for gens, in a panic, trying to get rid of ruin, or who knows what else, generally dooming themselves because they aren't pressuring the killer to leave the hook or trying to do a rescue.
3 people doing 5 gens slows the game down a lot. 2 people doing 5 gens is a huge burden.
Then it's one, and hopefully there's a hatch play.
Some youtube vid mentioned the tactic. I almost adopted it. It can work.

Then there's the overly altrustic sorts that reward camping.

I think the biggest issue is campers don't always read the flow of the trial well. Are they going to get punished, or rewarded for camping?

There is one more thing - how did you get the idea that every game has to be "sportsmanlike"? Sometimes I begin the game only to piss some ppl off, there's no ethic here! xD And while camping is a real bad for the game as a whole (and unless justified will get low score for the Killer, so it's already fixed as it should be), tunneling at the beginning of the game is the best way to shift the odds in Killer's favor. You get killed, go play next game, I've already seen lots of survivors staying untill the end just to throw some "tunneler" titles at me, well yeah, keep them coming, I just don't get why anyone would waste time having the possibility to go to next game.

SovererignKing said:

@Vert3x

They already gave you invincibly frames right off the hook. They already put a penalty on Killer’s chaser emblem for legit camping. You have Borrowed Time. How much more ######### could you ask for? Seriously?

Here’s something : Where’s the punishment for Survivors camping and tunneling Gens? Why don’t they get punished for not screwing around, and just popping a squat and M1 on a Gen? Why don’t they get punished for going after the Gen that’s 50% or more complete, instead of going after a Gen that’s got zero progress? I literally just kicked that Gen, come on, walk away and give it some time to regress for free. Just like you want me to walk away and give you time to get off the hook and heal for free.

Not only that what about penalties for the survivor main jerks who once the gate is open they still hang around the map teabagging the killer or the worst point is when they spend about 10 minutes teabagging at the exits and when you hit they disappear. Or what about when survivor mains decide to run around th map making all the noise possible to get the killere attention when they are the only ones left and hatch is available. The hatch teabagging and standoff as well.

friendlykillermain said

@douggie123 said:
SovererignKing said:

@Vert3x

They already gave you invincibly frames right off the hook. They already put a penalty on Killer’s chaser emblem for legit camping. You have Borrowed Time. How much more ######### could you ask for? Seriously?

Here’s something : Where’s the punishment for Survivors camping and tunneling Gens? Why don’t they get punished for not screwing around, and just popping a squat and M1 on a Gen? Why don’t they get punished for going after the Gen that’s 50% or more complete, instead of going after a Gen that’s got zero progress? I literally just kicked that Gen, come on, walk away and give it some time to regress for free. Just like you want me to walk away and give you time to get off the hook and heal for free.

Not only that what about penalties for the survivor main jerks who once the gate is open they still hang around the map teabagging the killer or the worst point is when they spend about 10 minutes teabagging at the exits and when you hit they disappear. Or what about when survivor mains decide to run around th map making all the noise possible to get the killere attention when they are the only ones left and hatch is available. The hatch teabagging and standoff as well.

yeah before they even think about touching survivors in terms of buffs they need to fix these issues and fix gen times because right now killers are still not the power role

I agree that playing a killer is MUCH harder than it is for survivors. I am simply saying that face camping and tunneling for no reason isn't the answer.

I think the best option is to provide better incentives so the average player isn't tempted. I've said this in other posts,  you can apply as many punishments as you like but this is not going to stop the people who do it for their enjoyment. Salt miners do not care about points and anything short of just Banning them has no impact on the way they're going to play. Now I am not saying that it should be bannable, what I'm suggesting is there need to be better reasons not to. I have no love for camping, but tunneling walks a very fine line between a found Target and locking on to a specific player until they're dead. So many times I've come across the Survivor that just got unhooked because they're playing poorly. Sometimes I leave them other times it's best to just get them out of the way. In any case, eliminating a survivor quickly is a killer's best option for map control. 

It's kind of hard to see how powerful survivors can be when you are playing with randoms, but there's so much strength in numbers. Almost any survivor would change their mind about tunneling/camping being unfair if they played a killer to rank 5 or so. Play one to rank 1 to really drive the point home.

Without tunneling we would have to cycle each player, and considering that the average match above rank 10 has 1-3 gens done by the time the first person is downed, there would be almost no way to win the game for the killer.

apropos said:

It's kind of hard to see how powerful survivors can be when you are playing with randoms, but there's so much strength in numbers. Almost any survivor would change their mind about tunneling/camping being unfair if they played a killer to rank 5 or so. Play one to rank 1 to really drive the point home.

Without tunneling we would have to cycle each player, and considering that the average match above rank 10 has 1-3 gens done by the time the first person is downed, there would be almost no way to win the game for the killer.

I understand your point  My husband and I have just started going from generator to generator and spending only 30 seconds on each before moving on to the next. That way we give everyone time. 
I just recently started playing a killer and hoo boy. Power in 4s.

@purebalance said:

@apropos said:
It's kind of hard to see how powerful survivors can be when you are playing with randoms, but there's so much strength in numbers. Almost any survivor would change their mind about tunneling/camping being unfair if they played a killer to rank 5 or so. Play one to rank 1 to really drive the point home.

Without tunneling we would have to cycle each player, and considering that the average match above rank 10 has 1-3 gens done by the time the first person is downed, there would be almost no way to win the game for the killer.

My killer is rank 1 and camping and tunneling is for bad players. The only time it's reasonable is dying light or bm'ing survivors. If they have 1-3 done by the time you down someone, you don't belong at that rank.

Explain the thought process at work here. Someone achieved the same result as you with a different (let's say easier, for the sake of argument) strategy. How is the fact that you handicap yourself and they don't a problem with the way they play?